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Russian River pulling out of WA?

Discussion in 'Northwest' started by distantmantra, Dec 31, 2012.

  1. distantmantra

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    One of my buddies is down at Super Deli Mart right now and overheard the owner talking about Russian River pulling out of the state. Anyone heard something similar or is he just talking out of his ass?
     
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    Nope. It's true, unfortunately.
     
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    Great, now the world knows and I have to go buy up anything and everything before all of you do haha. Any reasoning why?
     
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    Can't keep up with demand at home base.
     
  5. distantmantra

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    I wonder if they're pulling out of Oregon as well?
     
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    Yeah, my buddy didn't want to believe it and neither did I. Figured someone here would know for sure.

    Oh well, at least I got to try Younger last February. Gonna miss the -tion beers. :-(
     
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    Maybe. Its also possible they're reshifting distribution to other markets that have more sell-through. A friend recently commented that in his holiday trip to CO this year, he saw RR beers for the first time.
     
  9. distantmantra

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    Colorado has been getting RR for quite some time, though. That's nothing new.
     
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    Eh. A few Elder once in a while, -tion once in a great while. I'll live.
     
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    I just got this information from a tweet from Cooper's Ale House. This is a major bummer. I love me some PtE.
     
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    Why not try Fremont's The Brother? Its comparable to Elder, if not better because its local and quite fresh? :)
     
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    I think The Sister is a better comparison to Elder, actually. But Brother is still incredible, though.

    From Full Throttle's Facebook feed:

    "It is with great sadness that I announce the withdrawal of Russian River Brewing Company from the State of Washington Market. A formal letter was sent to all of their wholesale customers, I received mine today. I will miss their amazing beers, and I know all of you will also. We look forward to the day they are able to produce enough to satisfy our demand. Buy bye!!!"
     
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    Had me a Sister last night and it was utterly delicious.
     
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    I am a huge fan of both The Brother and The Sister. The challenge in comparing these to PtE is that neither Fremont DIPA is bottled/canned. I get growlers of both of these pretty regularly but it's not like a can just have a pint at home when I want one.

    I'm seriously bummed about RR's decision.
     
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    What I get out of this thread is that I can now trade Pliny for limited Cascade releases.

    #wintrades
     
  18. distantmantra

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    Maybe not, all we know is they're pulling out of Washington. Nothing about Oregon.
     
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    This sucks. The letter from the Brewery is a bit disingenuous. Maybe try pulling out of f*cking Philadelphia first?
     
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    Thank you. I'm glad someone else feels this way. They sell everything they ship up to WA, and it's definitely cheaper than going across the country to PA.
     
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    To me it sounds like they're not doing well financially.
     
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    I ain't even mad. I occasionally buy one of their sours but the selection around here has improved so much they are kind of old hat.
     
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    How do you get that? It sounds like they can sell as much as they can make in the Bay Area and see no reason making smaller margins shipping it elsewhere. Which makes sense, I wish they'd pull out of Philly, Colorado, Oregon, and even SoCal until it's not a PITA to find Pliny in Oakland.
     
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    I don't know but the whole major reorganization externally and internally sounds a little odd. To often that means money problems.
     
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    I agree. And they've got 20 investors? That's crazy.
     
  27. distantmantra

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    If they had money problems you'd think they'd cut all out-of-state distribution, not just WA.
     
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    Who says that isn't coming.
     
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    Sucks, bad....Pliny helped me enter the craft beer world. Well, now to buy up all the Supplication and Consecration I can find. :)
     
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    sounded more like an excuse to me.
     
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    ugh hate yuo. When I come down to visit I'm bringing back like infinity cases.
     
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    More or less. Warn Bottle Barn to be on the lookout for strangers w/ Washington plates.
     
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    "managing of our own brand"
    yech
     
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    The thing is that I completely fail to see how that's possible. They instantly sell everything they make, the pub is packed all the time, the only way they're not super profitable is if they're managed really poorly. Which would prompt reorganization, but isn't necessarily going to be the cause of one.

    It's also possible (and, IMO, more likely) that they want to get rid of the investors and so are trying to make more money to pay them off by a certain date.
     
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    Probably due to the 37M people in CA alone...why ship out of state? Don't blame them...
     
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    Sounds like consolidating resources to me; it happens at periodic stages after a growth process (identifying inefficiencies, clarifying roles, eliminating redundancies).

    Their brewpub is packed to the gills and their beers rarely stay on shelves; I think they realized they can sell the same amount while reducing distribution expenses somewhat -- this could lead to a margin increase, something their investors are probably thrilled about.

    Like I've said in some threads in US - Pacific, I generally don't find Pliny anymore without some effort, and it's been a long time since I've seen it on a shelf even though RR is in my backyard. I would really love to find my local beer more readily. :)
     
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    It's pretty easy to find Pliny on shelves in SF.*



    *for about one business day every week
     
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    They must be Catholic.

    <rimshot>
     
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    Sad but give Vinnie and Natalie the benefit of the doubt. They've earned it. They will be back. Respect. And sadness but it is only beer and they have given so much to us. Patience. It takes time and hard choices to build a great brewery. Give them their earned trust. Because Beer Matters!
     
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    Well this certainly isn't how I wanted to start out the new year.
     
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