Saint Archer

Discussion in 'US - West' started by erichxedge, Nov 4, 2013.

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  1. nolan_likes_wine

    nolan_likes_wine Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2015 California

    Saint Archer is definitely available in the North Bay, I've bought it at the Napa Whole Foods and Beer Craft in Rohnert Park.
     
  2. skunkpuddle

    skunkpuddle Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2011 California

    I actually have.
     
  3. catbirdofdoom

    catbirdofdoom Initiate (177) Apr 15, 2014 California
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    They've started distribution to Fresno, as of last month, and they've hit the market hard. The bottles and cans are everywhere, though the DIPA is a little harder to find now. It was really nice, and a bit underrated on BA. I'm really hoping we see the Mosaic.
     
  4. Dansac

    Dansac Initiate (157) Dec 6, 2014 California
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    I was just to start a thread on this. I think St. Archer has been flying somewhat under the radar simply because although their beer has been good, it hasn't really been special or outstanding either. Very good, very competent, and fairly priced. But nothing that hadn't been done before.

    HOWEVER, the Mosaic DIPA that just came out is one of the best IPAs I've had in a LONG time. Comparable to the stuff Noble Ale Works is putting out. It's absolutely spectacular and I expect it to get a lot, lot of hype.

    I hope they continue in that direction. I think we're witnessing a new generation-wave of IPAs with a different profile: tapping into the aromatic potential of hop strains rather than emphasizing bittering qualities to the beer at the expense of muddling the brightness of them.

    I cannot recommend the Saint Archer Mosaic highly enough.
     
  5. Alpha309

    Alpha309 Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2014 California

    anyone see the Mosaic floating around LA, preferably from BH to the Pasadena area. Everywhere I go seems to sell out right before I get there.
     
  6. Alpha309

    Alpha309 Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2014 California

    nevermind, stopped at BevMo over lunch and they had a case in the back, wasn't on the shelf.
     
  7. TTC

    TTC Initiate (71) Jul 16, 2013 California

    Trader Joes in Pasadena had it on the shelf too (bought one last night)
     
  8. jakecattleco

    jakecattleco Poo-Bah (2,789) Sep 3, 2008 California
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    It's in Sacramento, all solid but really dig the Coffee Brown. Now, sounds like I need to find the Mosaic.
     
  9. 395er

    395er Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2011 California

    Just one man's opinion on the under the radar/acceptance thing. As a SD resident (and skater/snowboarder/surfer) I was really put off by the "brand before beer" thing. Same with Modern Times. Both seemed to have their whole brand settled before even hiring a brewer, if I'm not mistaken. Now, that's not necessarily a bad business plan. Hell they both had people saying "I can't wait to try your (non-existent) beer!" It's just that there are so many dedicated brewers trying to get something going, it was tough for me to back that in the local brewing scene. MT makes some fine beers. I haven't had many SA beers. With so many good beers to choose from locally and regionally already, I just haven't been motivated. If I stumble on the Mosaic I'll give it a go, but probably won't hunt it down.
     
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  10. Dansac

    Dansac Initiate (157) Dec 6, 2014 California
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    If good beer if what you're after, and you like DIPAs, Mosaic IPA is really worth hunting down. Trust me on this one.
     
  11. HeavySpeedway

    HeavySpeedway Initiate (0) Jul 8, 2013 California

    You're mistaken. The first thing I heard about Saint Archer was not their brand, but that Kim Lutz (of Maui Brewing fame) and Ray Astamendi were their brewers, and the first thing I heard about Modern Times was that Jacob was pushing some bottles on the back patio of Toro.

    But for the most part, you are right.
     
  12. sandiegoman

    sandiegoman Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2014 California

    You're missing out - trust me you need to hunt it down
     
  13. 395er

    395er Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2011 California

    One thing I do know is Yiga is super talented, so it doesn't surprise me the Mosaic is good stuff. And his beers seemed to synch up with the more positive words I've read about SA. I'll watch for the DIPA.
     
  14. Alpha309

    Alpha309 Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2014 California

    Drank my bottle of the Mosaic last night. It was a very good beer, but I thought the Green Flash Mosaic Session had a much better flavor and use of the Mosaic hops.
     
  15. ChazMania

    ChazMania Aspirant (231) Jun 13, 2006 California

    I'm in the minority here- I bought 2 bombs of Mosaic DIPA via Trader Joes last night, solely based on the comments in this thread. It was the most onion flavored beer I've ever had. I guess I thought Simcoe was the onion hop, it must be Mosaic. It was tough to drink as every sip I thought '"pureed onions!" Maybe my 2nd bomber will be better......
     
  16. PlinyTheYoungest

    PlinyTheYoungest Initiate (102) Jun 30, 2009 California

    Actually Summit is most commonly associated with onion. I don't know if there was any of that in this beer, but I didn't detect anything even slightly oniony. I think some people are just more sensitive to it, thankfully I'm not one of them.
     
  17. MiScusi

    MiScusi Meyvn (1,027) Feb 12, 2005 California

    I get a lot of garlic/onion from Stone's Go-To, but not in any Mosaic beer I've had.
     
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  18. Saxmusik45

    Saxmusik45 Initiate (0) Nov 18, 2011 California

    Agree with this. I can't drink Go-To because of how onion-y it is. Fortunately there's Ponto and Easy Jack and Even Keel out there to have as go-tos.
     
  19. Dansac

    Dansac Initiate (157) Dec 6, 2014 California
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    O_O I think this blows GF's out of the water.

    I do get the hop dankness, but I absolutely love it. :slight_smile:
     
  20. Alpha309

    Alpha309 Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2014 California


    It could have been I had a FRESH GF less than a week old. The Saint Archer I had was in the back, so I didn't see the box and there was no date on it. Could have been a little bit older. It was also from BevMo so it may not have been stored properly either.

    Or it could have been that I had a Hammerland the night before, and that was a far superior DIPA IMO than the Saint Archer as well.
     
  21. Saxmusik45

    Saxmusik45 Initiate (0) Nov 18, 2011 California

    Taste is subjective, dude. You don't have to defend yourself for liking one beer over another, but your opinion on it is always appreciated.
     
  22. Dansac

    Dansac Initiate (157) Dec 6, 2014 California
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    Well, the St Archer should be pretty fresh since it hit the shelves pretty recently. But it could have been mishandled at Bevmo I suppose. The bottle I had was incredibly bright, dank and forward, with just a bit of sweetness. Delicious.
     
  23. ChazMania

    ChazMania Aspirant (231) Jun 13, 2006 California

    I got my S hops wrong about onion with Summit / Simcoe. I also agree that Go-to is oniony. When someone says "dank" I think cannabis scent and flavors which I'm rather fond of:slight_smile:)
     
  24. Miruguy

    Miruguy Initiate (168) Nov 22, 2010 California

    Yeah, I recently tried Port's Dank and Sticky and it smelled/tasted just like cannibis (what I imagine cannibis would smell/taste like, of course).
     
  25. Modernrickk

    Modernrickk Zealot (588) Oct 3, 2013 California

    I didn't get ANY cannabis aromas or flavors in project dank or in any beer I've ever had
     
  26. PatKorn

    PatKorn Initiate (197) Aug 30, 2007 Oregon

    The best thing Saint Archer has done is fire Ray, Dave, and Mike. Now we have Fall Brewing.
     
  27. HeavySpeedway

    HeavySpeedway Initiate (0) Jul 8, 2013 California

    Isn't it funny how that worked out to be a win-win situation?

    The only conclusion I can draw is that some people just don't work well together.
     
  28. Eriktheipaman

    Eriktheipaman Savant (958) Sep 4, 2010 California

    From what I've heard Saint Archer's sales as a whole have been doing amazing
     
  29. LookTheOtherWay

    LookTheOtherWay Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2015 California

    Being in S.D. I can pretty much see Saint Archer bottles wherever I go. Nothing has really pushed me to try them out other than their standard IPA. It's good, but with so many other staples in my rotation that I just enjoy the hell out of drinking I never really found my way back to them.
    We pulled a little DIPA blind tasting of some March freshies (Pliny, Stone EnjoyBy4.20, St.Archer Mosaic) and damn if that Mosaic wasn't some of the tastiest to many there. I really thought it stood out. I have to say, one hell of a slow clap to them on that one. If you haven't tried it, go grab one and give it a go.
     
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  30. ModernTimesJacob

    ModernTimesJacob Initiate (0) Apr 24, 2012 California

    At the risk of threadjacking, I feel a need to respond to this. It seems that your impression of Modern Times is a bit...off. I was a homebrewer & beer writer for 6 years before I got a job at Stone. I applied to be an Assistant Brewer, but because of my background in writing, they ended up giving me a job in marketing. I worked at Stone for 2 years, which was the best experience I could have ever asked for. I was already a beer nerd, entirely too frequent trader, homebrewer, bottle share geek, etc...but working at Stone taught me much of what I know about the industry. When I left Stone to start Modern Times, I immediately began working with my one-time trading partner Mike Tonsmeire (of The Mad Fermentationist blog) to figure out our beers. Well before any branding or fundraising took place, we had figured out what would become our year round line-up. In fact, every fundraising pitch I made included homebrewed examples of Modern Times beer (and no branding, since it hadn't been done yet). Beer was always the first and most important thing, and it still is. We have fun with our branding because...it's more fun. And pretty stuff is more fun than ugly stuff. And does a better job of respecting and representing the beer we work so insanely hard to make.

    I also have to say that I'm a bit put-off by the elitist attitude on display in your post, especially coming from someone whose BA account was started 3 years after my first article appeared in BA magazine. But then again, it always seems like it's the recently converted who ordain themselves arbiters of what is and is not acceptable in a scene.

    Cheers & thanks,
    Jacob McKean
    Modern Times Beer
     
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  31. grilledsquid

    grilledsquid Zealot (563) Jul 10, 2009 California
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    For the record, I'm not usually fond of the direction most breweries take with their branding, but MT's is standout! The graphics are badass. Gonna buy some stickers to put on a bike (to replace the bike brand stickers) next time I'm there. :grinning:
     
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  32. Alpha309

    Alpha309 Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2014 California


    Nothing is better than seeing a bottle/can and drawing your eyes in. I find that the best brands all have excellent packaging and branding, and the ones that are not quite as good in the quality department flavor wise have the same issues with their subpar packaging. While it isn't always the case, the better brands to take the time to get their appearance down. I can't tell you how many beers I have tried just because they have had strong packaging that caught my eye. Modern Times nails it

    Looping that back to Saint Archer. It is easy to find it on the shelf. It is simplistic but very nice on the eyes and easy to find in a crowd. This helps me find it when I know that I want a solid beer.
     
  33. SDReaper

    SDReaper Crusader (712) Aug 15, 2013 California
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    Smog City, never would have bothered to try them had it not been for Saber-Toothed Squirrel. Of course that $5/bottle has cost me quite a bit more now since I keep finding and picking up their other bottles.
     
  34. HeavySpeedway

    HeavySpeedway Initiate (0) Jul 8, 2013 California

    Cockstaggeringly #NewMoney
     
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  35. sandiegoman

    sandiegoman Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2014 California

    You got owned by Modern Times.

    Modern Times has great beer. Highly recommended
     
  36. jwolfe1311

    jwolfe1311 Initiate (0) Oct 18, 2014 California

    Never been a huge fan of St. Archer but their new Mosaic IPA is a top 10 IPA for me. Just came out
     
  37. ChazMania

    ChazMania Aspirant (231) Jun 13, 2006 California

    Having my 2nd Bomb now- which leads me to think I don't like Mosaic, It is so incredibly oniony and no fruit at all for me. Goes to show you how different tongues taste things differently.
     
  38. beermeplz

    beermeplz Aspirant (286) Feb 13, 2015 California

    Having their Mosaic DIPA tonight as well. While not my favorite hop profile, this is still damn good...easily better than Enjoy By IMO.
     
  39. Dansac

    Dansac Initiate (157) Dec 6, 2014 California
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    It's dank as hell. Huge. I loveeeee it. I hate those malty, 'tropical' IPAs. Had a grapefruit Sculpin yesterday and it made me yawn. -_-
     
  40. skunkpuddle

    skunkpuddle Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2011 California

    Mosaic is great. I never really followed the saga of St archer but followed some of Modern Times. I think Modern Times made a few mistakes but are constantly improving and this guy Jacob is all over these boards responding to people's concerns or questions. I know through experience that building a business is incredibally hard and if I knew when I started what I know now I would have a few more dollars in my pocket and a few more happy customers. Bottom line is forums and blogs and what not are places for people to vent their frustrations and concerns but I think people take it too far sometimes. I think anyone before judging to harshly any business or plan should look at your own experiences at running a business or ask people you know who have tried or continue to run an organization full of customers and employees. In the end the reward is usually positive but getting to that point in the simplest terms is a bitch.
     
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