Dismiss Notice
Love Belgian Beer?

Join us Sep 17 in Portland, Maine for Return of the Belgian Beer Fest, featuring hundreds of authentic Belgian beers and Belgian-inspired offerings.

Tickets + more: beeradvocate.com/belgian

Sanitizing spritzer v. Beer Clean glass

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by MatthewPlus, Feb 18, 2013.

  1. MatthewPlus

    Beer Trader

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2013
    Posts:
    194
    Likes Received:
    533
    Location:
    Florida
    I've recently been involved in an on-going discussion about the cleaning spritzers at craft beer bars. I've always been under the impression that all glasses should be clean and air-dried before being filled with beer. Why are so many bars going to this spritzer to secondarily clean glasses? I realize that not much water is left in the glass after this process, but it seems to me that if I'm paying $8 for a 10oz pour of BA batch 9k at my local bar, i don't want ANY water in my glass. Not to mention most of these spritzers also chill the glass, and typically I'm trying to warm the beer i order before i drink it. Any thoughts? Anyone with industry expertise that can give me an argument to either side?
     
  2. KegKicker

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2008
    Posts:
    110
    Likes Received:
    109
    Location:
    New York
    Great question! I have wondered about this seeming contradiction also and am curious on the responses.
     
  3. StarRanger

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2006
    Posts:
    207
    Likes Received:
    171
    Location:
    North Dakota
  4. UCLABrewN84

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2010
    Posts:
    7,934
    Likes Received:
    7,933
    Location:
    California
    azorie likes this.
  5. SammyJaxxxx

    Subscriber Beer Trader

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2012
    Posts:
    7,318
    Likes Received:
    39,288
    Location:
    New Jersey
    Good explanation and an even better beer list.
    Wish this place was near me.
     
    core42, azorie and JT99125 like this.
  6. beerman4

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2009
    Posts:
    141
    Likes Received:
    41
    Location:
    California
    I work at a beer bar in California. We have to have a three compartment sink to abide by California Sanitation Standards. The first sink is for cleaning with soap, the second for rinsing, and the third for sanitizing. The glasses have to be air dried, not wiped with a cloth. So when we serve a beer, we want to get the sanitizer off the inside of all glasses. Or else there will be an off taste to the beer.
     
    utopiajane, SatlyMalty and bookerandy like this.
  7. jRocco2021

    Beer Trader

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2010
    Posts:
    1,808
    Likes Received:
    2,323
    Location:
    Wisconsin
    *Code of Hammurabi is the oldest set of known written laws. Dating back almost 4,000 years this Babylonian code specifically addresses the issue of watering down, short selling, or overcharging for beer. These crimes were punishable by death!

    I love this statment!
     
    fineout and daysinthewake like this.
  8. hopfenunmaltz

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2005
    Posts:
    9,048
    Likes Received:
    6,974
    Location:
    Michigan
    If you go to some of the beer gardens in Munich, there are racks of the liter mugs that have been washed and stored upside down. You take one, go to the sinks with running water and rinse the mug with the water to make it beer clean.

    I welcome the spritzers in local bars. Hate the taste of sanitizer.
     
  9. Hanzo

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2012
    Posts:
    4,785
    Likes Received:
    13,086
    Location:
    Virginia
    I welcome a quick rinse of my glass before it gets to me. I do the same at home before I use a glass I am pulling out of the cupboard.
     
    loafinaround and Providence like this.
  10. jesskidden

    Subscriber

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2005
    Posts:
    7,780
    Likes Received:
    18,012
    Location:
    New Jersey
    Besides a final rinse to clear the glass of any residue sanitizer/detergent or dust that may have settled after cleaning, a wet glass makes pouring and controlling the head easier, and the water being slightly chilled brings a room temp. glass closer to the temperature of the beer, which also helps with the pour.
     
  11. hopfenunmaltz

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2005
    Posts:
    9,048
    Likes Received:
    6,974
    Location:
    Michigan
    Search the internet for "beer clean glass". Read the articles that were written by Ray Daniels.
     
  12. MatthewPlus

    Beer Trader

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2013
    Posts:
    194
    Likes Received:
    533
    Location:
    Florida
    Thank you all for the great information. I feel i have moved on with this issue, and can once again go back to drinking beer!
     
  13. mhksuccess

    Beer Trader

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2012
    Posts:
    731
    Likes Received:
    3,525
    Location:
    California
    These places I refuse to drink at. If you watch through the night how often to they change the water in the sinks and add clean soap and sanitizer. When they are very busy probably not very often so washing and rinsing in dirty sitting water. I would much prefer they use a steam clean in the dishwasher and then air dry and spritz prior to filling.
     
  14. Longstaff

    Joined:
    May 23, 2002
    Posts:
    1,539
    Likes Received:
    1,245
    Location:
    Massachusetts
    A little bit of water in the glass is a whole lot better than getting a glass that reeks of whatever detergent/sanitizer they use in the dishwasher. The tiny amount of water in relation to the amount of beer in the glass will not be detectable to the human palate.
     
    MrMcGibblets likes this.
  15. jesskidden

    Subscriber

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2005
    Posts:
    7,780
    Likes Received:
    18,012
    Location:
    New Jersey
    Yeah, but when I pay $5.61 (well, + 7% sales tax, so 6 bucks even) for a pint of 6.7% HopDevil IPA, I expect a full pint of 6.7% ale, not 6.6987% ale. What's that you say? That Libbey shaker pint glass they use here only holds 14 ounces, and with that ¾" head I probably only got a little over 11 ounces of beer? Uh, where's my calculator?;)
     
    azorie and SatlyMalty like this.
  16. UCLABrewN84

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2010
    Posts:
    7,934
    Likes Received:
    7,933
    Location:
    California
    http://www.thebeergauge.com/
     
    mhksuccess likes this.
  17. jesskidden

    Subscriber

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2005
    Posts:
    7,780
    Likes Received:
    18,012
    Location:
    New Jersey
    Yeah, but that thing's only good if you get a true 16 oz. shaker, not the near identical dimensioned 14 oz'er. When are they gonna come out with v2- with the build-in slide-rule?:eek:

    [​IMG]
     
  18. beerman4

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2009
    Posts:
    141
    Likes Received:
    41
    Location:
    California
    I hear your frustration with those bars. We change our water every 2 hours, whether we are busy or not. That's another California health code. The water in the wash and rinse sink must be warm. And we only clean glasses in the sinks, no dishes at all!
     
  19. ShemRahBoo

    Beer Trader

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2010
    Posts:
    397
    Likes Received:
    276
    Location:
    New Jersey
    Following this though there is no room for a decent sized head. That CA bar posted above does it right. Larger then 16 oz glass with room for a head.
     
  20. BeerClean

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2013
    Posts:
    2
    Likes Received:
    0
    Hi. I was reading the posts. Here in Holland it is most common to use the combination of sink and sanitizing - cold water- spritzer in order to achive Beer Clean Glasses. Also many establishments install a extra "Green/Sustainable" Glas Cleaning system on to the glass cleaning sinks behing the bar. This add-on system will keep the water in the sink as fresh and hygienic as possible. This ensures optimal repetitive Beer Clean glasses for good tasting beer and great sustained beer foam.
     
  21. Jake1605

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2009
    Posts:
    702
    Likes Received:
    626
    Location:
    Missouri
    When the glass air dries dust particles collect on the side of the glass. The rinsing helps to refuse friction and with less dust you won't lose as much carbonation.
     
    BeerClean likes this.
  22. BeerClean

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2013
    Posts:
    2
    Likes Received:
    0
  23. TheGator321

    Joined:
    May 29, 2013
    Posts:
    1,131
    Likes Received:
    684
    Location:
    Connecticut
    in all honesty, you could ask them to dry the galss before they fill it if you're a regular patron. I would tip alittle better too if I were to do this. but i think that euro spritzer uses water to coat the interior of the glass filling in the micro cracks and crevices of an older or used glass. also helps for a better pour too.
     
  24. utopiajane

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2013
    Posts:
    7,001
    Likes Received:
    71,136
    Location:
    New York
    Have you ever spent an entire sunday at home and started drinking at a relatively early hour and found that by mid afternoon all your glasses of choice were dirty? That is why the delay in the air drying of glasses at a busy bar.
     
  25. azorie

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2006
    Posts:
    3,684
    Likes Received:
    2,375
    Location:
    Florida
    I just reuse mine. I find the first sip cleans all. lol:eek::D
     
  26. pinkgrenade

    Beer Trader

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2011
    Posts:
    897
    Likes Received:
    810
    Location:
    California
    first one should be hot and soapy, the middle one is warm water to rinse and has a hot drip so everything rises to the top and drips out (oils, soaps) to keep it clean and fresh, and your third is sanitizer. i change my first sink almost every tub i clean of glasses because it gets dirty quick. being busy should have nothing to do with how often the sinks are changed.
     
  • About Us

    Your go-to website for beer (since 1996), publishers of BeerAdvocate magazine (since 2006) and hosts of world-class beer events (since 2003). Respect Beer.
  • Quick Navigation

    Open the Quick Navigation

  • Return of the Belgian Beer Fest

    BeerAdvocate Brings its All-Belgian Fest to Portland, Maine on September 17, 2016. Tickets are on sale now.

    Learn More
  • Get the Mag

    Become a BeerAdvocate magazine print subscriber today.

    Subscribe