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Scotch Ale vs Scottish Ale

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by BrownAleMale, Jan 3, 2013.

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  1. sm0key

    sm0key Initiate (0) Apr 24, 2009 Michigan

    every time one of these threads come up (scotch ale, not haggis) I bring up Arcadia's Loch Down Ale.
    http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/454/6384 the rating isn't particularly high on here, but I really dig it...

    not really sure what the distro of Arcadia is, either....
     
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  2. jmw

    jmw Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2009 North Carolina

    Actually they would not use the word Scotch at all. Just 'whisky'. And there's no 'e' in it.

    2nd the vote for patto1ro's blog. Dig into the recipes presented there. Do not put any stock in the BJCP guidelines when it comes to historical accuracy.
     
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  3. patto1ro

    patto1ro Defender (624) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    Scottish brewing in the 20th century: a bizarre mixture of the dull and the weird.
     
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  4. Hanglow

    Hanglow Defender (676) Feb 18, 2012 United Kingdom (Scotland)

    Yeah I've lived here for 32 years and I've never heard any of my fellow scots call whisky scotch.

    As for the beer, I was raised on Tennents lager, Tartan spesh and mcewans 70/80 . Not the best it must be said
     
  5. Aye

    Aye Aspirant (239) Jul 21, 2011 United Kingdom (England)

    No Youngers #3?
     
  6. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2004 Kentucky

    What term do you use to describe rabbits from Wales? Welsh Rabbit is already taken for something that is neither from wales or involving rabbit.
     
  7. patto1ro

    patto1ro Defender (624) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    Just found a really good Welsh Rarebit recipe that includes Mild Ale.
     
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  8. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2004 Kentucky

    Yep, and that makes it just as much a "real" style as anything actually brewed in Scotland.

    Horribly misrepresentative name, but thats life.
     
  9. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2004 Kentucky

    Of course it does.

    I almost commented on your article this morning that the Younger's 60/70/80 from 1957 seemed to fit the bjcp guidelines pretty well. :slight_smile:
     
  10. patto1ro

    patto1ro Defender (624) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    Wait until you see the ingredients before you say that.
     
  11. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2004 Kentucky

    Well yeah, that was the problem. The hopping was probably a bit high, but that would depend on the AA% of the hops.
     
  12. jmw

    jmw Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2009 North Carolina

    Don't be stupid. Rabbits in Wales are termed Oryctolagus cuniculus, European rabbit or common rabbit. If you really don't know what you're asking about you might even be fooled by Lepus europaeus, brown hare/European hare.
    Try to keep this about beer.

    Fixed that.
     
  13. marquis

    marquis Crusader (738) Nov 20, 2005 United Kingdom (England)

    Welsh Rarebit is an irrelevance here as we don't have two separate products bearing the same name.

    Two points. The Scots are a very proud people and it's reasonable to expect that a Scottish brewer would want to add "Brewed in Scotland" or "Scottish Ale" to the label.Yet to do so would lead to false expectations because few potential buyers would actually know the true nature of Scottish beers.
    Secondly , the "made up" style guidelines actually do refer to Scotland! From the BJCP ;"Traditional Scottish session beers reflecting the indigenous ingredients (water, malt), with less hops than their English counterparts (due to the need to import them). Long, cool fermentations are traditionally used in Scottish brewing." Pure eyewash of course.Hops do grow in Scotland :this is about a currently brewed beer;
    "Clydesdale IPA
    A light summer drinking ale brewed uniquely using Clyde Valley hops along with Marris Otter malted barley making it an easy quaffing favourite.
    It is a light coloured IPA making it an especially pleasant session ale which captures the pedigree of the famous draught horses still to be seen around the Strathaven area."

    And even if hops didn't grow there the breweries were all near ports and the easiest/cheapest way of moving goods is shipping.Same way as the English brewers imported them.
    And by the way, the climate in Edinburgh is the same as Burton's. Why would fermentation be cooler?
     
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