Second Edition of Jeff Alworth’s Beer Bible

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  1. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Meyvn (1,310) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    https://www.beervanablog.com/beervana/2021/9/6/beer-bible-book-tour-dates


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  2. jesskidden

    jesskidden Poo-Bah (2,318) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Huh?

    I'm sure this is the reporter's error but still - no one at the publication (in Portland, no less) caught it?
     
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  3. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,184) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Do you suppose he has to share royalties from his bible with the "Beer Jesus?" :sweat_smile:
     
  4. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,184) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Double, huh?
     
  5. jesskidden

    jesskidden Poo-Bah (2,318) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Computer editing/accidental deletion error?
    "Bavarian brewers use yeast instead of cream in their morning coffee, not hops like many US craft brewers... " :smiley:
     
  6. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,184) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Bavarian brewers don't have morning coffee, they have Brotzeit -- when they partake in a Hefeweizen break. :grin:

    So there's gotta be another answer. :wink:
     
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  7. jesskidden

    jesskidden Poo-Bah (2,318) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Well, my first draft was "...use yeast to brush their teeth", but that didn't work for the hops.

    "Uh, ya got somethin' green in your teeth there again this morning, Bob..."
     
  8. zid

    zid Poo-Bah (1,648) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    The original is a very nice book. I hope this edition has better binding.
     
  9. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,184) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Hop toothpaste? After all, mint is green. :grin:
     
  10. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,184) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Paperback or hardbound?

    Damn perfect binding on those thick paperbacks is always questionable.
     
  11. zid

    zid Poo-Bah (1,648) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Hardcover. Alworth appreciates beer.
     
  12. sharpski

    sharpski Meyvn (1,224) Oct 11, 2010 Svalbard & Jan Mayen Islands
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    Huh. I’ve never even heard of the Portland Tribune.

    edit: Ah, a free weekly broadsheet. Even still, no Portlandian should have let that through.
     
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  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,161) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    From the linked discussion (with emphasis in bold by me):

    “When writing about national traditions, "the one thing you learned when traveling around the world, in many countries, beer is culture and like cuisine — it's not like wine, it's not like a product of ingredients and fermentation. Brewers make thousands of decisions when thinking about making beer.”

    If Jeff was successful in properly addressing the “thousands of decisions” then this book is truly a bible about beer.

    Cheers!
     
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  14. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,184) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Wow, and the binding is shoddy? Cheap production.
    Is that the title, or a statement?

    I definitely recognize Alworth as a good resource for beer info. He's been around awhile... which is why I'm sure the quote about Bavarian brewers probably wasn't copied correctly. :wink:
     
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  15. Bshaw22

    Bshaw22 Champion (840) Aug 29, 2013 Wisconsin
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    I like Jeff Alworth. I’ve listened to him on lots of podcasts over the years. He’s very intelligent and gets respect from the new school and old school Brewers.
    I hope this book does well and it will probably one of those great legendary beer books to put on the shelf.
     
  16. rgordon

    rgordon Meyvn (1,177) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina

    That was in The Newer Testament.
     
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  17. zid

    zid Poo-Bah (1,648) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    It's the book's read-between-the-lines title. Nah, it was really just my opinion.
     
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  18. Squire

    Squire Poo-Bah (2,655) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    I just find any hobby book with the word "Bible" in the title is a bit pretentious in presentation.
     
  19. donspublic

    donspublic Poo-Bah (2,076) Aug 4, 2014 Texas
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    I have to say his podcast is perhaps one of the most entertaining ones out there. I started it right before covid took over every other podcast and it helped nurse me thru my late nite dog walks when I was tired of listening to covid this/covid that. From what I gather is he was approached to do the first Beer Bible and the title was already what it was, could be wrong. He is far from pretentious, and I will try to get over to Austin when he is there to support him.
     
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  20. jesskidden

    jesskidden Poo-Bah (2,318) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    I worry about the factuality of them, since the namesake is not noted for it.:grin:
     
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  21. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,184) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Dodges lightning bolt... :wink:
     
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  22. Bshaw22

    Bshaw22 Champion (840) Aug 29, 2013 Wisconsin
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    Totally agree. He seems like a great dude. i understand a lot of jokes on here are just jokes. But he seems to be the furthest thing from pretentious.
     
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  23. woemad

    woemad Poo-Bah (4,000) Jun 8, 2003 Washington
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    I think it was chosen because the idea was to produce a Beer focused tome similar to the best selling Wine Bible, written by an author whose name now escapes me (fwiw, I own both books).
     
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  24. rgordon

    rgordon Meyvn (1,177) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina

    It makes pretentiousness like a pretender. It is basically a simple throw away title. Which begs the question; Is it a good book?
     
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  25. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,161) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I think it would be prudent to keep in mind that titles are sometimes (often?) chosen by the publisher vs. the author. I have written over a dozen beer related articles and the titles selected for publishing were sometimes not what I chose. Publishers are looking for 'pizazz' to sell product.

    Cheers!
     
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  26. Squire

    Squire Poo-Bah (2,655) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    Oh sure, my comment is not directed toward the author. I've seen a number of hobby books over the years with bible in the title which implies the last word on the subject when in fact it's just a way to boost sales.
     
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  27. Squire

    Squire Poo-Bah (2,655) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    You made the point better than I did.
     
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  28. woemad

    woemad Poo-Bah (4,000) Jun 8, 2003 Washington
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    Here's the Wine Bible. I think the original edition was published between 20 and 30yrs ago:
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    Alworth's goal was to write a book similar to this, but about beer. I have both, and they're excellent guides to their respective beverages, and have a lot of info in one place. Alworth's misfortune was to publish his book just before hazies took over the IPA world.
     
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  29. SILVER

    SILVER Initiate (184) Jan 3, 2007 Florida

    Well, I just ordered mine. It'll look good next to the 1st edition and will make for conversation while comparing the two.
     
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  30. SILVER

    SILVER Initiate (184) Jan 3, 2007 Florida

    It was delivered just about an hour ago.
    Prime Gold, or something like that.
     
  31. marquis

    marquis Champion (816) Nov 20, 2005 England

    "a book regarded as authoritative in a particular sphere." is the definition of the word Bible.
     
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  32. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,184) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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  33. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Meyvn (1,310) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    Nice to see Jeff team up with pFriem, while touring -


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  34. zid

    zid Poo-Bah (1,648) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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  35. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Meyvn (1,310) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    Jeff's post, if anyone's interested

    Brewing A Dreher-Style Wiener Lager

     
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  36. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,161) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    From Jeff Alworth’s blog (with emphasis in bold by me):

    “I started by preparing a historical overview of the beer, including everything I knew about its production method—with a big assist from Andreas Krennmair.”

    Something I posted in a past thread:

    "On the topic of Wiener (Vienna), are you aware of the recent book by Andreas Krennmair entitled Vienna Lager:

    https://www.amazon.com/Vienna-Lager...1&keywords=Vienna+Lager&qid=1631307082&sr=8-2

    Andreas also participated in a video interview with Brad Smith on this topic:

    http://beersmith.com/blog/2020/07/30/vienna-lager-with-andreas-krennmair-beersmith-podcast-219/

    I have not read the book (yet) but I found his discussion about Vienna Lager in the New World (Mexico, US) quite interesting."

    Cheers!
     
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  37. woemad

    woemad Poo-Bah (4,000) Jun 8, 2003 Washington
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    I've always assumed there's a difference between New World and Old World Vienna lagers. I'm assuming the differences are subtle, but there, for those in the know.
     
  38. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,161) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Well….

    In my opinion the ‘answer’ is yes and no.

    A Vienna Lager as brewed by Anton Dreher and by my local craft breweries is at one level a fairly simple beer from an ingredient perspective:

    · 100% Vienna Malt

    · 100% Noble Hops (Saaz hops in the case of Anton Dreher)

    · Lager yeast

    And of course, water which depending upon the specific mineral content can influence the resulting beer’s flavor profile.

    As can be read in the Jeff Alworth blog the specific barley (which is used to produce the Vienna Malt) of the 1800’s is discussed as being Hana barley:

    “Amazingly, they were able to source some pilsner malt made from Hana barley, a 19th century variety that Dreher himself may well have used.”

    But pFriem was unable to locate a Malting Company that produced Vienna Malt (more highly kilned/darker than Pilsner Malt) from Haná barley so they made a business decision to brew their beer using an available Vienna Malt (Weyermann Vienna Malt). A practical/prudent decision IMO.

    One aspect of beer as brewed in Europe in the 1800’s is that they typically had higher final gravity readings than contemporary beers. This would result in a beer that would have perceived more body (e.g., a fuller mouthfeel) and perhaps an increased perception of sweetness. This might be an artifact of the level of modification of malts in the 1800’s?

    I am able to drink craft brewed Vienna Lagers that are brewed using Vienna Malt (likely the Weyermann brand) and solely hopped with Noble Hops. One example is the Vienna Lager brewed by Von C Brewing:

    “Vienna Lager

    5.5% ABV

    Norristown, PA

    This copper colored lager has a thick, cream colored head created by our traditional side pull beer faucets and a smooth and mild bitterness with faint floral hop aromas. You’ll be greeted with a complex malt flavor backdrop of pretzel crust, caramel, and bread from this all German ingredient beer.”

    Next time I visit Von C I will ask the brewer (Jay) which specific ingredients he uses for this beer and process steps.

    As regards the aspect of brewing processes, one consideration is the mashing regime. From the Jeff Alworth blog:

    They used a single decoction, a concession to the quality of modern hops, and plan to do a longer, warmer ferment.”

    I am not following the aspect of “a concession to the quality of modern hops” as regards the decision to conduct a single decoction. Anton Dreher likely conducted a multi-step decoction when brewing his Vienna Lager since the malts of that time were under-modified and a multi-step decoction is needed when brewing with under-modified malts to obtain proper extract.

    If you have an interest in learning more about Haná (Hanna in German) barley I would encourage you to watch this video:



    Cheers!
     
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  39. Rug

    Rug Meyvn (1,354) Aug 20, 2018 Massachusetts
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    I just came across this video on my lunch break, great stuff. I enjoy that channel quite a bit
     
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  40. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,161) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I also thought their 5-part series about 'saving' cask beer in Britain was a worthwhile thing to watch.

    Cheers!
     
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