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Senate Bills to be heard Mar. 5th in Texas Legis.

Discussion in 'Southwest' started by BgThang, Mar 1, 2013.

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  1. Walt

    Walt Initiate (0) Aug 6, 2006 Texas

    It isn't that simple. Brewers can't break the relationship with a distributor without "good cause".

    It also isn't a matter of breweries just picking distributors they like. Distributors are generally the ones that approach the breweries (not always, though) and the dollars and cents have to make sense for both parties.
  2. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2012 Texas

    Although I get your point. I think that being taken advantage of is "good cause".
  3. jgreeson

    jgreeson Initiate (22) Feb 24, 2010 Texas

    Fun fact:
    State Rep Naomi Gonzalez (D - El Paso) drove her car into another car and ran someone over on a bicycle last night after a SXSW party and arrested for DWI.

    Author of HB 1538 (Senate Companion SB 639)

    Receiver of $1,538 in campaign contributions from the WBDT

    Interesting contribution amount? 1538?

    That's some kinda of grassy knoll conspiracy! :wink:

    Oh wait, politician receives money, supports and files legislation for said money giver.

    Sorry, no conspiracy here.
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  4. mattisloco

    mattisloco Devotee (414) Feb 13, 2007 Texas
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    Teach her to drink that crafty Bud Light!
  5. H0rnedFr0gs

    H0rnedFr0gs Disciple (300) Mar 12, 2012 Texas
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    Or perhaps a distributor co-op?
  6. Lutter

    Lutter Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2010 Texas

    0.164 BAC from 2 drinks over a 2hr period... riiiight. So we know she's a skilled liar or weighs approx 20lbs.

    Fact: there have been 188 DWI arrests in Austin THIS WEEK during SXSW. DD, taxi, or public transit if you're going to be overimbiding, folks.

    Anyways, that's completely off topic. She's screwed, there's plenty of other support for the HB companion (a lot more so than the SB, iirc)
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  7. Austinbeerworks

    Austinbeerworks Initiate (0) Oct 23, 2010 Texas

    For anyone interested, you can find our official position on SB 515-518 and SB 639 here.

    Most of it has already been said on this forum. We are happy to see so much public interest in these bills and encourage you to continue the conversation.


    Michael Graham
    Austin Beerworks
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  8. Lutter

    Lutter Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2010 Texas

    Very well written. Thanks for posting here.
  9. BgThang

    BgThang Initiate (0) Dec 23, 2007 Texas
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    An Open Letter to the Texas Craft Beer Industry

    By Joshua JusticeFri., Mar. 15 2013 at 11:00 AM
    23 Comments[​IMG]
    Categories: Brew Blog

    Photo by Jimmy Emerson
    The Texas Capitol is the site of the current fight for Texas craft beer.
    A lot of news has been made of the recent legislation that exited committee earlier this week regarding the Texas beer industry. I addressed the basics of these bills earlier today. While generally positive, reactions in the craft beer community have been noticeably and understandably mixed.

    See also:
    - New Texas Beer Legislation: What It Could Mean for You

    Some folks in more visible roles, namely a handful of brewers, have chosen to take to social media and news outlets to cry foul, to publicly lambaste -- in very broad terms, to a very malleable audience -- the legislation that arguably represents the very best option for change that the Texas craft beer consumer has ever had. Legislation that now hinges as a single piece of law. A single piece of law that breweries are now jeopardizing.
    And for what? A ruling regarding distribution rights that was coming down the pipes regardless?
    Photos by Joshua Justice
    Up until now, Texas breweries, you have all been happy to be a part of the rising tide that lifts all ships. And let's be clear here for a moment, not every ship in this ocean is as seaworthy as the next. So before you go acting like you just circumnavigated the globe all by your lonesome, let's get a few things straight.

    No one forced you to brew beer.
    You signed up for this voyage and you did so with full disclosure of what was ahead. A vast majority of you joined up well after the battle lines were drawn and you knew what the odds were from day one.
    If you are looking to play for the team that's an odds-on favorite, I am sure Anheuser-Busch will be happy to take you in. If you want to come out on the right side of government legislation every time, go get a job in the banking sector. This is craft beer. This is craft beer in Texas.
    You are not alone.
    A lot of us have been in on this fight for a very long time. I say "us" because this is a team effort. From the patrons at craft bars across Texas, the office happy hour group at Meddlesome Moth in Dallas and the guys in old lawn chairs out in front of Draught House in Austin to the homebrewers who represent the forefront of creativity and innovation in our industry. From the consumers who have demanded better beer from their retailers to grassroots organizations like Open the Taps fighting in the trenches in the capital. From journalists like Ronnie Crocker at Beer, TX who cover this industry so tirelessly and finally to the breweries that run on the innovation and the sweat and the tears of men and women like you.
    So before you get on your soapbox and call down fire and brimstone, take a look down at the people you are preaching to. They are the same people who helped you build that pedestal you happen to be standing on. Those same people that would follow you to the ends of the earth because -- believe it or not -- they care about you and your product just that passionately. Your words have very powerful and far-reaching implications. So when you get up to preach, be careful with your words. Is what you are saying benefiting them, or just you?

    Since you've chosen to be so cynical...
    Allow me to join you down in the mire for a moment. Is your ultimate goal now to get the entire package tanked? To sink Texas's chance at viable brewpubs, on-site sales and the all-but-certain growth and revenue that entails so you can assure yourself a chance at a distribution payout before another version of 639 gets rammed through? (And don't kid yourselves, the ban on cash sales of distribution rights is coming in one way or another.)
    If that is the case -- and I certainly hope for us all that it is not -- then you don't deserve any of the praise and admiration that I and so many Texans have bestowed upon you. In fact, if it is the case, do us all a favor and be honest with yourself and everyone else and just cash out now.
    Up until now, we have been a team.
    But now may very well be the time to pick sides. Mine is made up of those who want to fight. My team is for the brewers and the business owners and the consumers who want to see this go the distance. If you are here to cry the first time you get hit in the mouth, we don't want you. Let me rephrase: We don't need you.
    In case it's not clear, SB 639 is a punch in the face. Worse yet, as it currently stands, it's a cheap shot. But it's a hit we should be -- at the very least -- proud to take. Do I need to remind you that two years ago, we didn't even make it into the ring?
    SB 639 will not stop my team from fighting. I know, in fact, a few who probably welcome this new challenge. I know this will not stop my team from supporting craft beer in Texas. Please do not let it stop you either.
    I'm not here to say that this package is a win-win proposition. It isn't. I'm not here to tell you that you shouldn't be angry. You should be. What I am here to say is this: This isn't just about you. This is about all of us. This is about a better way to fight.
    Do not think for a second I do not empathize with you or want the very best for you and your employees. I simply want what is best for all of us more. And what's best for all of us is supporting this piece of legislation. What's best for all of us is finding constructive ways to address the flaws in SB 639. What's best for all of us is to continue this war together.
    With nothing but love,
    Joshua Justice
  10. BgThang

    BgThang Initiate (0) Dec 23, 2007 Texas
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  11. Walt

    Walt Initiate (0) Aug 6, 2006 Texas

    Thanks for posting that, I hadn't seen it before. What a wonderful piece that I hope some of those breweries reads.
  12. jgreeson

    jgreeson Initiate (22) Feb 24, 2010 Texas

    Interesting details about the past two days.

  13. Walt

    Walt Initiate (0) Aug 6, 2006 Texas

    Yes. The meeting ended up going quite well. I'm really proud of the way, despite differences of option (some large) we have stayed together on the issues.
    Great job to all of the stakeholders and Senators and Reps who helped!
  14. BlindSalimander

    BlindSalimander Initiate (93) Aug 16, 2010 Texas

  15. AlonCicerone

    AlonCicerone Initiate (119) Jan 25, 2011 Texas

    This. There are many great beer book & magazine writers out there, but newspapers articles about beer often have me saying "Huh?". In my opinion, Travis is one of the best beer journalists in the country (yes, I said country). His articles are very well researched, not just re-quotes from a few interested parties. He treats beer as a serious subject, rather than the fluff/lifestyle articles that usually appear in newspapers.
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  16. blatherbeard

    blatherbeard Initiate (0) Sep 30, 2007 Texas

  17. cam_williams

    cam_williams Initiate (168) Oct 3, 2012 Texas
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    Travis is hands down one of the best beer writers out there. Lucky for us he lives in Texas.
  18. paymerick

    paymerick Initiate (134) Feb 24, 2013 Texas
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    Really don't care for Justice's piece... I get it that this legal package is overall VERRYY badass for us craft beer folks, and I am going to enjoy the hell out of the reward, but not understanding these other brewers' potential losses with parts of 639 and throwing the "team" card out there is shit IMO..

    Like I said, I'm gunna enjoy the hell out of what is happening here, but I can't get too rah rah about any bill(s) that helps strips a right, no matter how many rights it gives..
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  19. mattisloco

    mattisloco Devotee (414) Feb 13, 2007 Texas
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    DEBC just put this up on FB...

  20. bccocx

    bccocx Zealot (553) Jan 13, 2007 Texas
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    516 and 517 pass the Senate, 30-0
  21. Lutter

    Lutter Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2010 Texas

    Yeah, Scott M said something on Twitter to the tune of these "agreed upon" bills generally fly through the process.
  22. jgreeson

    jgreeson Initiate (22) Feb 24, 2010 Texas

    In addition to wineries, we may as well add distilleries to the fact that beer is getting rammed up the legislative b-hole.


    SB 905 was passed by the senate allowing the sale of distilled spirits in packages up to 2x 750ml bottles within 30 days to the general public up to 3,000 gallons.

    Wine & now liquor != beer. Unbelievable.
  23. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2012 Texas

    Wine has been able to do whatever it wants for a long time. Ship wine to and from TX? Sure! Beer? Eff you!
  24. Lutter

    Lutter Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2010 Texas


  25. Ford

    Ford Defender (693) Sep 8, 2012 Texas
    Subscriber Beer Trader

    It is so ridiculous... I can also walk into a winery in Santa Fe, Texas.... (Santa Fe, Texas!) and buy a bunch of their wine to take home.... but not the beers at a brewery!
  26. blatherbeard

    blatherbeard Initiate (0) Sep 30, 2007 Texas

    so its been a few days since the 9th. anyone know the outcome?
  27. Daemose

    Daemose Devotee (426) Oct 3, 2011 Texas
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    Yeah craft beer is going to get screwed in the ass as usual, no surprise there.
  28. blatherbeard

    blatherbeard Initiate (0) Sep 30, 2007 Texas

  29. mattisloco

    mattisloco Devotee (414) Feb 13, 2007 Texas
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  30. Lutter

    Lutter Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2010 Texas

    The way I understand it, production breweries can switch to a brewpub license (as long as they are selling below the threshold allowed) and sell growler fills and bottles for off-premises, since brewpubs will now be able to distribute *trojan horse*

    Brewpubs will be able to produce up to 10,000bbls a year under the new bills and self distro 10% of that.
  31. mattisloco

    mattisloco Devotee (414) Feb 13, 2007 Texas
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    Any idea what bbl size most Texas brewers are? Would Saint Arnolds and Rahr be the only ones who would have to cut production to make this switch? I know they wouldn't but just curious.
  32. Lutter

    Lutter Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2010 Texas

    I heard this info regarding Jester King. They're below that threshold.

    Saint Arnold is the biggest in TX with 50k bbl, iirc (not counting Spoetzl or BMC). I have no idea how big some other Austin breweries are, but I gotta imagine most are significantly smaller than SA.
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  33. kevinscott

    kevinscott Aspirant (227) Oct 21, 2008 Texas

    I think Saint Arnold and Real Ale are the only ones over, or even close, to the proposed limitations for brewpubs.

    Edit: I tried looking for numbers a few months ago when the legislation was proposed but couldn't find anything recent. Maybe one of the brewers could give us more accurate information.
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  34. Lutter

    Lutter Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2010 Texas

    Here's a stat... Austin Beerworks sold 5,000bbls in 2012. Upgrading to 15,000bbls capacity by the end of 2013. For comparison, googling says JK did around 250bbls with capacity at 350bbls. #researcher
  35. mattisloco

    mattisloco Devotee (414) Feb 13, 2007 Texas
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    I wonder where they're at now and if they desire to move to a brewpub license.

    I hope this brewpub license, 10k bbls nonsense is removed next year.
  36. Lutter

    Lutter Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2010 Texas

    2015, bro. Gotta let the Leg rest for a year (they only meet every 2 years).

    Yeah, in this business friendly state... it's kind of ridiculous that there are restrictions on success. Baby steps this session... game change next session.
  37. kevinscott

    kevinscott Aspirant (227) Oct 21, 2008 Texas

    I was confused and thinking of the capacity limits for taprooms, instead of brewpubs, which would not allow to-go sales. Here is the breakdown of brewing capacity:
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  38. omnigrits

    omnigrits Initiate (0) Jun 1, 2006 Texas

    Jeff said in February on The Brewing Network that JK brewed about 2,000 barrels last year, half of which were sold and half went into oak, and they're aiming for 1200 - 1500 barrels sold this year.
  39. Lutter

    Lutter Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2010 Texas

    Google. Always accurate. LOL.
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