serious eats imp stout article and recipe

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  1. grilledsquid

    grilledsquid Initiate (0) Jul 10, 2009 California
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  2. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    What OG are you looking for? The recipe and process doesn't seem bad, though I would use Mr. Malty or YeastCalc instead of a random 2-3 L starter suggestion.
     
  3. grilledsquid

    grilledsquid Initiate (0) Jul 10, 2009 California
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    I'm not really sure. Maybe 1.090 or 1.10 and an FG of maybe around 1.020.
     
  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,055) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Just glancing at that recipe, I don't think you'd get anywhere near those attenuations (78%-82%). I'd suggest entering the recipe into software or one of the online calculators, to get a better idea of your OG, then apply a reasonable attenuation factor. (I think most software and online calculators will probably somewhat overestimate the 'default' attenuation you'll be able to get with this grain bill...lots of unfermentables.)
     
  5. grilledsquid

    grilledsquid Initiate (0) Jul 10, 2009 California
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    Yeah I haven't had the chance to plug the recipe into Beersmith yet. I'm just in the beginnings of my research so I don't really know what to look for in a RIS recipe. My beers have been on the low abv side and my first AG batch (IPA), which is in secondary right now, is finishing around 7.5% abv. The RIS would be my first big beer. I'd be looking for something full-bodied, heavy on the roasted malt and dark chocolate, and finish around 10%. I'd like to get a start on it this summer so that they'll be optimal into the fall and winter.
     
  6. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    Whatever you do, make sure you have a good deal of golden/light DME on hand in case you're mash/lauter efficiency is well below anticipated... The first big All-grain RIS (Third All-grain beer) I did ended up having a stunningly awesome efficiency of 56%. Your first big beer or two may need some extract to pump it up to the desired OG until you figure out your system, or decide to just take the efficiency hit.
     
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  7. grilledsquid

    grilledsquid Initiate (0) Jul 10, 2009 California
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    Yeah I wish I had known that the other week when I brewed my first AG batch. I was aiming for a DIPA but my efficiency was on the shitty side and ended up with a single IPA. I should have added more of the second runnings and boiled down or added some DME. All good, though. I'm probably going to brew an oatmeal stout next then go for a RIS as my 3rd AG batch.
     
  8. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,060) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    Dodgy history in that article:

    "The original Russian Imperial Stout was crafted by English brewers around the year 1700. Their goal was to create a porter-like beer that could be shipped from England to the Imperial courts of Russia without spoiling during the long trip. Their solution was to increase the alcohol content and the hop additions, which act as natural preservatives."

    The first Russian Stout was brewed at the other end of the 18th century. It wasn't Porter-like, it was a strong Porter. They didn't up the alcohol content to survive the journey. It's only a short hop across the Baltic, yet they were able to ship standard-strength Porter much further distances, for example North America and India. It was strong becauase it was a top of the range beer made for a bunch of rich pissheads at the Russian court.
     
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  9. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    what are you like the history police?! :wink:

    to the OP, for the recipe I'd probably drop the mash temp a notch to like 150-152F for better attenuation, that said 154 will provide a bit more body which it sounds like you're after anyway. otherwise seems like a pretty solid recipe...
     
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  10. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    The problem is that most of what's written about beer is assumption, folklore and hearsay rather than based on facts or evidence.The past is the key to the present; without understanding the background it's very difficult to put the present into context.You see threads all over this site which wouldn't be started if writers took the trouble to be properly informed.
     
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  11. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    actually always enjoy patto1ro input into the historical aspects of beer...and yes definitely there is a lot of misinformation that is thrown around, I have probably been guilty of it at times myself. It was funny to me because it looks like the author of that article was quoting a line from the India Pale Ale page instead of the Imperial Stout page.
     
  12. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,060) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    Sort of.
     
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  13. grilledsquid

    grilledsquid Initiate (0) Jul 10, 2009 California
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    Thanks for the tips and history y'all. Are there any other RIS recipes that you guys can recommend?
     
  14. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    I spent 5 batches working on a solid, quickly maturing, very approachable RIS (I've also done some very aggressively hopped, big, thick, tar-y, heavily roasted RIS as well), and then saw this thread after batch #5... my fifth generation recipe was nearly identical to this, so I figured I was on a good track....

    http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/official-kate-great-russian-imperial-stout-clone-217674/

    May also want to check Brewing Classic Styles for Mike Riddle's RIS recipe; he's won a lot of medals for it, and I like his philosophy on brewing RIS (e.g. balance of hops, tar, sweetness, roast, etc.).
     
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