Seriously underwhelmed by Hopslam

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by AmitC, Jan 11, 2013.

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  1. raczkowski

    raczkowski Disciple (324) May 16, 2011 Florida
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    I did this last year once with shipyard apple head thinking it'd be like apple pie....that really opened my eyes.

    Last year was the first time I tried hopslam. Total wine in Orlando had cases of it and I didn't wanna pull the trigger on an 80.00 case without trying brother and i bought a cold six pack. Went to the car and drank it, then proceeded to go back and buy 2 cases of it. I lobe this beer and plan on buying as much as I can afford. Sending a case to Ny for my trading partner but I could see myself drinking a case very quickly so I hope my bday at end of January yields plenty of beer money! Highly anticipating getting this one.
  2. luwak

    luwak Aspirant (269) Mar 2, 2010 Arizona
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    Yeah i was too first time i had it a few years ago.
    It's a really good beer but i wouldn't go chasing a truck for it.
  3. kzoobrew

    kzoobrew Meyvn (1,167) May 8, 2006 Michigan

    Translation: I may be speaking before it is fair to make a definitive statement but let me make a definitive statement. :wink:

    I cannot wait for the "I love Hopslam" thread after the fifth bottle. Gotta love reactionary threads.
  4. AmitC

    AmitC Crusader (720) Sep 21, 2012 New York

    In life, most of the time you are judged by first appearance. I am not saying that is right, but come on, this hype needs to deliver it the first time. I too hope i am wrong. Would be good for me.
  5. nachos

    nachos Initiate (95) Jun 4, 2012 Michigan
    Beer Trader

    45 minutes in the freezer is a long time, could definitely contribute to muted smell and flavors
  6. Thickfreakness

    Thickfreakness Initiate (0) Oct 2, 2010 New York

    Love the MI people that can't imagine that something from MI "Might Not Be That That Good!!!" Hey, I love Bolt Cutter... don't get your panties in a wad! News flash!!! Hopslam Blows!!! NBD... It's just a shitty beer! Don't take it so personally like you brewed it or something.
  7. kzoobrew

    kzoobrew Meyvn (1,167) May 8, 2006 Michigan

    I cannot agree with that. It is foolish to buy into hype, especially after being given reason to know better. In life, we should learn from our mistakes and not repeat them. Hype should only lead to disappointment in self, not the product. Hype is the fault of a person, not a product.
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  8. ehammond1

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  9. Tballz420

    Tballz420 Meyvn (1,187) Mar 4, 2003 Minnesota

    Who the hell buys 24 of an expensive beer that they've never tried before just because the internets says its good?
  10. kzoobrew

    kzoobrew Meyvn (1,167) May 8, 2006 Michigan

    Love the NY people who can't get Bell's giving the MI guys crap because they are jealous they can't get Bell's. :wink:
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  11. crossovert

    crossovert Initiate (0) Mar 29, 2009 Illinois

    never had a mead that actually tasted like honey... ive had several.
  12. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Meyvn (1,315) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan

    I have had many where you can even pick out the variety of honey used. The sugars ferment, but the aromatics stay.

    You need to have meads made by some better mead makers. :slight_smile:
  13. crossovert

    crossovert Initiate (0) Mar 29, 2009 Illinois

    ok... aromatics... not taste. Ive had kuhnhenn, b.nektar, and bell's meads.
  14. AmitC

    AmitC Crusader (720) Sep 21, 2012 New York

    I am not too much worried about 23 bottles. I would drink them all, if needed, and pretty happily too, it drinks really well and is 10%. So it justifies the price, $66 including taxes. I was initially buying a 6-pack, at almost $22, so i thought why not a case. I am not really pissed about the quantity that i bought, but more about the fact that beer did not meet the hype. It is a lesson to me, as i said.
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  15. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Meyvn (1,315) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan

    OK, that is not bad.

    I have never had a beer that tastes like fresh wort either. It all changes due to the yeast, no?

    Edit - the best ones i have had are not commercially viable, they use 2 gallons of honey per 5 gallons, the yeast gives up before the sugars are fermented. These are around 16 -17 ABV and have the honey sweet taste left, as there is sugar left. Try and find some.
  16. crossovert

    crossovert Initiate (0) Mar 29, 2009 Illinois

    if it is under-attenuated. Fact is in beer honey is pretty much undetectable, especially with all those hops.
  17. Brenden

    Brenden Poo-Bah (3,684) Feb 25, 2008 Ohio
    Supporter Subscriber Beer Trader

    Underhyped, perhaps? No, but it sure lives up to it. If you've gotten a single bottle that the aroma hasn't exploded out of as soon as the cap was off, check your nose.
  18. ChefHopMeister

    ChefHopMeister Aspirant (256) Aug 3, 2010 Virginia

    Like a good woman, Hopslam is worth the chase. It's a world class brew.
  19. DrDemento456

    DrDemento456 Poo-Bah (3,363) May 15, 2009 Pennsylvania

    Take an India Pale Ale and feed it steroids, ergo the term Double IPA. Although open to the same interpretation as its sister styles, you should expect something robust, malty, alcoholic and with a hop profile that MIGHT rip your tongue out.

    Sounds like it's "on par" with the style to me.
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  20. robboyd

    robboyd Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2011 Indiana

    Exactly. The 100% fermented statement along with kzoo claiming the same earlier had me scratching my head. Residual sugars are present in beers, otherwise, we would only have dry beer. There are lots of mead with extremely strong honey flavor. Here's at least one source that claims honey to be only 75% fermentable:

    If you can't taste a flavor reminiscent of honey in this beer, I question your palate. It does not dominate but it doesn't exactly take a back seat either. Perhaps better explanation is needed from the doubters. At any rate, I think hopslam is as fine a beer as it has always been. I live in Indianapolis, if the OP has trouble offloading his 3 sixers, I'll be willing to help depending on demands. BM if interested and other offers fall through.
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  21. jera1350

    jera1350 Poo-Bah (2,122) Dec 15, 2007 Minnesota

    You should buy another case or two just to make sure you didn't get a bad first case.
  22. AmitC

    AmitC Crusader (720) Sep 21, 2012 New York

    Agree with the definition you put forth.

    Robust - not very much.

    Malty - not that malty, sweet more because of honey than malt.

    'hop profile that MIGHT rip your tongue out' - Not at all. This is where it seriously disappoints.
  23. AmitC

    AmitC Crusader (720) Sep 21, 2012 New York

    Sure. Give me $66 and i happily will.
  24. kzoobrew

    kzoobrew Meyvn (1,167) May 8, 2006 Michigan

    Google "Honey 100% fermentable" and you will get many other sources. Here is a fairly reputable source which says 95% fermentable ..

    The amount of honey in Hopslam is not every close to what there is in a mead or even a Braggot for that matter. Honey does leave behind some trace but not nearly what people claim to pick up in this beer. I wager that if you make a beer without honey and the same hop schedule you will have some people claim to taste some of the same "honey" flavors in a blind tasting.
  25. kzoobrew

    kzoobrew Meyvn (1,167) May 8, 2006 Michigan

    Sweetness is not from honey. The honey acutally dries out the beer making it less sweet, dextrins are added back in to replace some of the body the honey removes.
  26. robboyd

    robboyd Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2011 Indiana

    Even at 5% residual sugar, you would still detect flavor. Not to beat the mead horse to death but a mead with 5% resudual sugar is going to be labeled somewhere between semi-dry (typically 3-4% and semi-sweet (typically 6-7%). I would agree with you in your wager. However, I would also wager that if you drank your proposed beer head-to-head with hopslam, the actual and non-perceived honey flavor would be that much more distinguishable. Really the only point I was trying to make is that honey is not going to ferment out 100% and what is left behind SHOULD be detected. It's not fair to say it's in people's minds.
  27. Beach_Bum

    Beach_Bum Initiate (0) Oct 24, 2012 Illinois

    It's no Zombie Dust, but really only a few hoppy beers can stack up.
  28. kzoobrew

    kzoobrew Meyvn (1,167) May 8, 2006 Michigan

    I am not saying it is not distinguishable, I am saying that the extent that people make it out to be is overstated in most cases.
  29. EddieGold

    EddieGold Initiate (0) Nov 22, 2012 North Carolina

    ill tell ya what, you send me the rest of it and ill fuckin drink it.
  30. JohnB87

    JohnB87 Initiate (108) Mar 14, 2011 Michigan

    I feel that there should be bets going in Vegas on when the first Hopslam Sucks/Not Good This Year thread shows up.
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  31. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Meyvn (1,315) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan

    Ask Larry why they are using the most expensive source of sugar for that beer. I often wonder.
  32. KevSal

    KevSal Savant (956) Oct 17, 2010 California
    Beer Trader

    This is a good opportunity to share it with friends this weekend during football. Im sure some would really appreciate it. Being 2 sixers to my buddy's house on sat myself (on top of some killer bombers:wink:)
  33. Highbrow

    Highbrow Devotee (472) Jan 7, 2011 California
    Beer Trader

    in short you, bought a car & then decided to test drive it after you paid for it. then you came to let off your rocks... the seats aren't as comfortable as you imagined & it doesn't handle the way you imagined. you certainly know about certainty.:rolling_eyes:
  34. Wingfan13

    Wingfan13 Initiate (0) Aug 10, 2009 Texas
    Beer Trader

    Hopslam is shitty ? Might want to check the top 100 beers list.

    Listen, When did Hopslam first come out ? I am sure when it did it was an absolute hop bomb because at the time breweries weren't going out there trying to make the most bitter beer in the world. It wasn't the trend at the time. You seem to dislike it because there are plenty of people who love it and you don't.
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  35. CMUbrew

    CMUbrew Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 Michigan

    I'm sure by now many people have said you shouldn't buy a case of beer you've never tried. That's common sense. Hell, even buying a six pack of an unknown beer can bite you in the ass.
    I also had my first Hopslam tonight. Fucking awesome beer. Bitter and hoppy, yet incredibly balanced. No trace of alcohol at 10%. What's the problem? Sounds like you're more at fault than the beer. Subjective taste strikes again.
  36. C2H5

    C2H5 Disciple (383) Jan 7, 2012 Illinois
    Beer Trader

    Hopslam season is funny. I love it when people hate Hopslam, please hate more threads about how it sucks..boycott this beer!
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  37. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    Hopslam amazed me last year and I bet it will this year. A nice trading buddy hit me up asking me if I wanted any - damn right I do! Can't wait!
  38. cadizkyguy

    cadizkyguy Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2008 Kentucky

    Still have four bottles from feb 2012 in the fridge. Even great with age.
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  39. Lutter

    Lutter Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2010 Texas

    This beer is mediocre at when you compare it to the great IPAs coming out the west coast, IMHO.

    And I've had it fresh twice (two different years), since my dad is a big fan of it and sends it.

    Oh, and you people that age it are weird. :slight_smile: To me that's like aging fresh lettuce or milk. Just buy a nice barleywine instead and skip that part.
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  40. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    I live 12 miles from Alpine and disagree =) I prefer Hopslam over most WC IPA's including all of Alpine's bottled IPA's. Bad Boy and Keene Idea I prefer over it and that's it! Grass is greener I guess?
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