Shelton Brothers to cease operations

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  1. Chewbacca

    Chewbacca Initiate (64) Jan 22, 2013 Massachusetts
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    Sorry to revive an old thread, I don't know how I didn't hear about this until now. Good f'ing riddance. These guys had a notoriously bad reputation here in MA, and it looks like pretty much everywhere else. They hoarded 3f, Cantillon, Fantom and other very desired beers and only gave them to select few accounts, mostly in Boston. No surprise to see they had a warehouse full of 3F collecting dust. The decline of imports didn't force them into bankruptcy, their terrible business model and practice did. Most stores flat out refused to work with them, or reluctantly did in hopes of getting just a small amount of said beers above. If you talked to any store manager who dealt with them they never had anything good to say about them. /endrant
     
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  2. rgordon

    rgordon Meyvn (1,283) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina

    This is dead on the money. I have a great deal of business experience with both companies and B United is far superior and will persist..
     
  3. AElfwine_Nerevar

    AElfwine_Nerevar Devotee (468) Nov 16, 2018 Connecticut
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    I would love to see them pick up fantome, 3F, and cantillion. I've heard there are some issues with the way the importer would have to individually negotiate with and/or buy out any distributor that had contracts for those breweries before they could move any product.
     
  4. rgordon

    rgordon Meyvn (1,283) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina

    There is a myriad of bureaucratic arrangements for any quick transition and change of importers and state distributors. It can be done and I know a lawyer who knows how to expedite these matters. Anyway, when I was in the business foreign exporters and particularly brewers were often very frustrated with the immensity of America and did not really understand 50 states is like 50 countries. I did this stuff for years and learned to like doing it. My wife became expert in international and American peculiarities. including shipping, finance, and exchange rates. It's a detailed and expensive business. We shall see how this all unfolds. Shelton began sinking when Will Shelton left to play music and brew beer. Dan was abrasive at best.....
     
  5. Treyliff

    Treyliff Poo-Bah (5,443) Aug 10, 2010 West Virginia
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    They threw a helluva festival though. Until they screwed everyone out of their money on the last one. :rolling_eyes:
     
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  6. zid

    zid Poo-Bah (1,776) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Do you have a link for that story?
     
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  7. Treyliff

    Treyliff Poo-Bah (5,443) Aug 10, 2010 West Virginia
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    I do not, but they basically told everybody in an email that they had filed for bankruptcy and that they weren't refunding us for our festival tickets. Luckily I filed a claim with my credit card company and they reimbursed me.
     
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  8. PatKorn

    PatKorn Aspirant (200) Aug 30, 2007 Oregon

    Where was the festival going to be held?
     
  9. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Meyvn (1,461) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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  10. Treyliff

    Treyliff Poo-Bah (5,443) Aug 10, 2010 West Virginia
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    Charlotte
     
  11. zid

    zid Poo-Bah (1,776) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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  12. rgordon

    rgordon Meyvn (1,283) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina

    Not that it really means anything, but Dan Shelton is or was a lawyer.
     
  13. SSGCujo

    SSGCujo Disciple (340) Jul 12, 2016 Wisconsin

    Does anyone know what importers have picked up any of the Shelton brands?
     
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  14. MissionWoodlandHills

    MissionWoodlandHills Initiate (24) Jul 2, 2010 California

    While I'm not intimately familiar with the post-Shelton goings on, from what I've heard just from keeping my ears to the scanner and speaking with other, similar importers is that the rights to distribution for many of these breweries in the portfolio belong to the bank(s) with which the importer was indebted to; historically, these banks massively overvalue what one may pay to pick up these rights in order to recoup a profit from the closure. These distribution rights can stay up in the air indefinitely, from what has been relayed to me.

    If you are thinking to yourself, "X Importer has been doing fantastic things with their portfolio, and Y breweries from the Shelton portfolio would make a great addition!", I have reached out to numerous 'X importers' you can fill-in-the-blank with and the universal sentiment seems to be it's too expensive to pick up even a single brewery from Shelton's portfolio. It's about to be one year on, however, perhaps sentiment may change; I am not hopeful.
     
  15. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Poo-Bah (2,109) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    I believe that a Drie Fonteinen newsletter linked up thread mentioned that they would be moving forward with Lime Ventures as their new importer.
     
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  16. jesskidden

    jesskidden Poo-Bah (2,513) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Yeah, a quick look at TTB COLA's for Lime Ventures (damn, that url makes you do a double take = lvbev) also turns up beers from Achel, Fantome, Cantillon, Nogne, Blaugies, La Senne, Freigeist and De Ranke (can't say I remember Shelton's portfolio well enough to say which are formerly their brands).
     
  17. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Poo-Bah (2,109) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    Do you know if all of those are brands they will import? I believe they were handling distribution for those brands in CA prior to Shelton going under but do the COLA's indicate an importer?
     
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  18. jesskidden

    jesskidden Poo-Bah (2,513) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Yeah, the COLA's are as the brands' importer, under Lime Venture's US Permit # CA-I-21508:
    CA = California-based company, "I" = Importer.
    (no COLA necessary for distributors).
    F'r'example:
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    That is not to say that other importer(s) might not also import some of the brands - it is not as common as it once was, but there are cases where a foreign brewery has more than 1 US import deal, usually divided up by region, the best-known example is when Corona has two importers, Barton Beer for most of the western half of the US and Gambrinus for the eastern half + Texas.
     
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  19. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Poo-Bah (2,109) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    That is good to hear. My beer store buddy speaks glowingly of the folks at Lime as distributors. They should be much better stewards of these brands than Shelton ever was
     
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  20. zid

    zid Poo-Bah (1,776) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Ivbev - :grin:
    Yep, those were Shelton brands.
    That might be happening here as well. Freigeist had a recent beer imported by Twelve Percent.

    Lime Ventures distributed Shelton brands in CA and Remarkable Liquids (Twelve Percent) distributed Shelton brands in NY. It sure looks like some brands are potentially finding new importers by staying in the Shelton network. I guess we might see how well a California distributer will function as an importer.
     
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  21. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Poo-Bah (2,109) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    For what its worth, my beer store buddy told me that lime has been receiving cantillon direct from the brewery for some time prior to Shelton closing up shop. Presumably because the California market did such volume that it was more profitable for Shelton to arrange that than to receive it on the east coast and ship it across. Its possible that they were doing the same with other brands. In any case it appears that they have had at least a little bit of practice receiving large orders direct from overseas
     
  22. rgordon

    rgordon Meyvn (1,283) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina

    All of them.
     
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  23. SSGCujo

    SSGCujo Disciple (340) Jul 12, 2016 Wisconsin

    I'm interested in who will pick up Mahrs and Monschof. I love the Unfiltered Lagers that these two breweries put out. Monschof is a bigger brewer and part of Kulmbacher. Does anyone have any info?
     
  24. zid

    zid Poo-Bah (1,776) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    No idea... but don't hold your breath. I'd like to see them return too. I can't picture the Kulmbacher brands looking too appealing to importers today despite the increased stateside interest in continental lager brewing. (That interest is largely manifesting in small US craft breweries making lagers.) Mahrs, on the other hand, feels like it has all of the right parts to it's image that can be exploited by a new importer.
     
  25. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Poo-Bah (2,109) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    If love for Mahr's to make it out my way. Definitely seems like a brand poised to appeal to the modern US craft drinker
     
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  26. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Poo-Bah (2,109) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    Well I got my first official confirmation of at least one Shelton bro brand moving to lime beverage (at least for the California market). Picked up a couple of fresh looking bottles of Brasserie de Blaugies - la Vermontoise. Right next to other Blaugies bottles with the Shelton bro labels these say "Imported by Lime Ventures Concord, CA"

    Now to see if the Cantillon has arrived on the same boat!
     
  27. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Poo-Bah (2,109) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    Just to follow up, cantillon is definitely a lime ventures property now, at least in CA, and my source is expecting their quarterly drop this week
     
  28. Fordcoyote15

    Fordcoyote15 Meyvn (1,213) Nov 19, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    Bump here. Does anyone know if De Molen has been picked up? Probably gonna drop some major coin on the ones I've stumbled across if not.
     
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  29. officerbill

    officerbill Savant (968) Feb 9, 2019 New York
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  30. moodenba

    moodenba Defender (601) Feb 2, 2015 New York

    That's too bad. Most of the German imports are fairly pedestrian to my taste buds. Kulmbacher Monchshof Schwarzbier (tasted a few years ago) was first rate.
     
  31. rgordon

    rgordon Meyvn (1,283) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina

    From personal experience I would say the brands are in better hands with Artisinal representing them in the USA. These things take time, for sure.
     
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  32. distantmantra

    distantmantra Meyvn (1,197) May 23, 2011 Washington
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    We had a very small Cantillon drop in Seattle, as far as I know only Bottleworks got bottles a while back. Fantome was also around and went to a couple more accounts.

    They’re now handled by a local importer who tends to only deal in natural wines. Hopefully things are better than they used to be but I can also see things being very “boys club”-esque in nature.
     
  33. micada

    micada Meyvn (1,338) Jul 13, 2015 New York
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    Looks like Du Ciel us with It’s Good.
     
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  34. Highbrow

    Highbrow Devotee (459) Jan 7, 2011 California
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    Lime got Dieu du Ciel back as well. ironically, couple of months back i saw a bunch of the new label Peche Mortel on the shelf in a Bay Area TW.

    @Fordcoyote15 — Lime Ventures also appears to have De Molen back.
     
  35. M-Fox24

    M-Fox24 Meyvn (1,461) Mar 17, 2013 New Jersey
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    Joel Shelton discusses his latest project at around the 48 minute mark: Inner Circle Beer Tours

    https://heritageradionetwork.org/episode/tour-shelton-brothers-greatest-hits

    https://innercircletours.com/

     
  36. Fordcoyote15

    Fordcoyote15 Meyvn (1,213) Nov 19, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    This is the email I got back from Lime regarding importing De Molen.

    Hi, we aren't. Menno is not really involved any longer & I believe Heineken now has a part ownership. So we did not pursue it once Shelton was no longer importing. We do have some vintage bottles from the Shelton stock though.
     
  37. Giantspace

    Giantspace Savant (981) Dec 22, 2011 Pennsylvania

    Boo, Rook & Leer 2012 is one of my all time favorite beers. I don’t see De Molen often but I buy them when I do.

    Enjoy
     
  38. Providence

    Providence Champion (814) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    I'm just here to express my deep desire to see Timothy Taylor Landlord return to shelves in Rhode Island.
     
  39. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Poo-Bah (1,941) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    Added a little more to your post...
     
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  40. Providence

    Providence Champion (814) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    Real talk.
     
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