Sierra Nevada Oktoberfest 2015

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  1. tillmac62

    tillmac62 Initiate (0) Oct 2, 2013 South Carolina

    Bill, so true. I love Kellerweis, but almost always have to go to TW to find it. Even there, it's hit or miss.
  2. EnronCFO

    EnronCFO Zealot (564) Mar 29, 2007 Massachusetts

    Is Oktoberfest going to be available in cans? Would be a nice fall beer to bring to tailgates, fishing, etc.
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    WCKDVBZ Meyvn (1,161) May 9, 2014 South Carolina

    Most of the stores around here NEVER even had it. That's my point! I have to go to bottle shops to get it. Hopefully it sticks around.
  4. fearfactory

    fearfactory Aspirant (296) Aug 12, 2012 Massachusetts

    Man, this very good in all sorts of ways, especially price. Great beer at a super price.
  5. upsbeernut

    upsbeernut Aspirant (276) Sep 22, 2011 Georgia

    Thanks Jane , have been putting off buying it only cause my ipa tastebuds say no
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  6. upsbeernut

    upsbeernut Aspirant (276) Sep 22, 2011 Georgia

    Thanks been holding back on buying it, got burned on that sam adams version the past 3 years
  7. upsbeernut

    upsbeernut Aspirant (276) Sep 22, 2011 Georgia

    Thanks talon having trouble grabbing it since im a ipa addict
  8. upsbeernut

    upsbeernut Aspirant (276) Sep 22, 2011 Georgia

    Havent seen flipside yet?
  9. upsbeernut

    upsbeernut Aspirant (276) Sep 22, 2011 Georgia

    INformative post thanks Jack.
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  10. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (2,860) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Just a note to everyone singing the praises of SN O'fest-
    Sierra Nevada definitely did a fine, fine job making this beer, but I think a lot of the 'credit' should go towards the 'style'; this is an incredibly solid version of the Pale Oktoberfest substyle, the kind that is served at the fest in Munich. If I were still homebrewing this would be my 'house' lager style; it's got everything going for it- drinkability, depth, complexity.

    If you really enjoyed this beer I also recommend that you give some others a shot as well- particularly Hofbrau and Weihenstephaner. You may never go back to the amber style again :slight_smile: (well...not 'never', maybe 'rarely'...).
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  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,877) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania

    Just so you know, my post you read is for the SN Oktoberfest that was brewed in 2014. My guess is that a BA moderator consolidated threads here?

    By all reports the 2015 version of SN Oktoberfest is very good as well. My local beer retailer has not received the 2015 version yet but I intend to buy a 12-pack once he gets it.


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  12. Tut

    Tut Initiate (0) Sep 23, 2004 New York

    Just bought a fresh six of it yesterday and it's very good. I know marzens well, having had them in Germany.
  13. Wiffler27

    Wiffler27 Meyvn (1,026) Aug 16, 2009 North Carolina

    saw it in store today in central NJ, cases and 6 packs. started on my 6 pack and im enjoying it. if i cant get a case of GLBC Oktoberfest then i know what case i'll be getting instead
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  14. Wasatch

    Wasatch Poo-Bah (6,952) Jun 8, 2005 Colorado
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    Found a bottle today.

  15. KOP_Beer_OUtlet

    KOP_Beer_OUtlet Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2013 Pennsylvania

    In store now Jack ol' Buddy...drop off some more of your ESB if you got more ;-)
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  16. lambpasty

    lambpasty Initiate (0) May 3, 2013 New Hampshire

    Extremely solid beer, I've gone through a 12 already and am working on my second one. Will likely be my go-to until winter in all honesty.
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  17. Davidstan

    Davidstan Aspirant (252) May 24, 2014 Alabama

    Just had a go at the 2015 Version of Octoberfest. Love it and actually like it more than the Vienna Lager so here's to hoping SN keeps this recipe going forward. Nice malty flavor but not too sweet and a good hop kick to let you know SN had something to do with this. Best out there.
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  18. zid

    zid Meyvn (1,266) Feb 15, 2010 New York

    Your ending there caught me by surprise. I thought you were going to say "should go towards Brauhaus Riegele." :slight_smile:
    They aren't getting much attention nor praise. I would guess that most folks (myself included) don't know much of anything about them. Any educational posts would be welcome. It's a big difference compared to the reception of the collaboration Beer Camp box from a bit ago.
  19. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (2,860) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    D'oh! Huge oversight on my part, and you are entirely correct. And I have been thinking to myself that I should try to find more about them, too. Sierra Nevada picked a hell of an introductory partner for this collaborative series.
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  20. upsbeernut

    upsbeernut Aspirant (276) Sep 22, 2011 Georgia

    Finally made a six at Kroger and let me tell you this beer went down quickly. I am an IPA freak and never veer off that path but had to try and i can honestly say it was full of flavor light carbonation, very light golden color with a nice frothy head, like it says on the bottle delicate hops, and the use of Steffi barley whatever that is works well to balance it. Nice Lager which i never drink.
  21. upsbeernut

    upsbeernut Aspirant (276) Sep 22, 2011 Georgia

    Finally broke away from my IPA routine and found that this delicate hop and use of that Steffi barley created a light lager and it was a little sweet but very gulpable. Tried Leinenkugels for the fun of it and drain poured it after the first gulp. Why are they making beer?
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  22. costanzo_mike

    costanzo_mike Meyvn (1,214) Jul 17, 2014 Massachusetts

    Man that would be awesome. Did a quick search and couldn't find anything about canning of this one. Maybe next year!
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  23. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (2,854) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois

    The good thing (for me) about the SN Okto and Ayinger Okto is that they aren't as "pale" (Hell) as HB or Weihenstephan (or Paulaner Wies'n), they're sort of in-between the Amber Märzen and the Wies'n fest beers -- makes for great choices. :slight_smile:
  24. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (2,854) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois

    I pinged @sierranevadabill a while back, hoping to get some more input on the brewery and the process SN & Riegele went thru to arrive at the final product... waiting and hoping.
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  25. utopiajane

    utopiajane Initiate (0) Jun 11, 2013 New York

    I would love to see more about this. Interviews with them, and videos too =) Talking about the collaborative process, the style . . . other interesting things too many to list.
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  26. BillManley

    BillManley Aspirant (229) Jul 2, 2008 Minnesota

    It was always our plan to do a more "traditional" Okyoberfest style than most of those found in the U.S. When looking for a partner, we wanted to pair with a brewery who share a lot of our core values and interests and Riegele was high on that list of potential collaborators. Luckily, they said "yes" on the first call.

    As to the beer style, the Germans definitely think the American style of heavy Amber/caramel Oktoberfests, out-of-style, but they also think the current wave of true Weis'n beers have gone too far toward the easy-drinking ultra pale beers without enough malt character.
    Riegele turned us on yo the Steffi barley. There are a few small-scale malt houses in Getmany using it, and Riegele gets theirs from a maltster in Augsburg. We acquired a portion of ours from that maltster, and the balance from a different house.
    Riegele, and specifically their brew master Frank Mueller, were highly technical. (Like us) Frank is a yeast expert and gave us some tips that even our folks didn't know.

    We compromised on the color, going a few SRM darker than Riegele would have preferred, but opted for a richer malt character in the finished beer.
    Overall, both parties were extremely happy with the way the beer turned out.
    We're helping Riegele with a barrel-aged beer that will be available at their brewery in Germany and I'm eager to see how that beer turns out as well.

    Overall this has been an incredible experience and hopefully Riegele will get the praise they are due here in the States. Great guys, smart brewers, and really fun partners.

  27. zid

    zid Meyvn (1,266) Feb 15, 2010 New York

    Thank you for this post Bill. If you have any insights into why this was the case, I'm sure we'd appreciate hearing them. I'm assuming that the fact that they are family-owned was somewhat appealing. Putting a little spotlight on this brewery is great.
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  28. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (2,854) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois

    Great insight Bill -- very cool to hear the collaborative info and the opinion of the German brewers.

    Interesting that they think the current waves of Wies'n are too pale, but the SN color was too dark! Also satisfying to hear,
    Thanks for the input.
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  29. oldn00b

    oldn00b Champion (888) Feb 23, 2015 Virginia

    I got to try this last night along with a few other US Oktoberfests and it was by far my favorite.
  30. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    Sales incentives! Boom. You should hire me.
  31. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Poo-Bah (1,662) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts

    These two statements seem a bit contradictory to me. If they felt today's true Weis'n's are too pale, why would they have a problem with a darker beer?

    I also don't necessarily agree that today's "Weis'n" style lacks in malt character. They taste almost like an "imperial Helles" to me. Displaying plenty of malt character, simply skewed more towards pils malt rather than Munich.

    Personally I enjoy both the amber and pale Oktoberfest style, one is richer/fuller, perfectly displaying that liquid bread character I love in darker German beers. The other, while lighter in color, is still hefty in abv. And displays more of a biscuity, graham cracker sweetness. Neither is particularly hoppy, adding a touch of spicy/piney bitterness that lingers for a bit in the finish.

    This is simply how I perceive the two (I've been to the tents in Munich as well).
  32. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (2,854) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois

    I was wondering that too -- maybe Riegele's Märzen is riight in-between the 2 colors? :wink:

    Then again, I think the SN has a great color balance -- and malt character -- right in-between an Amber Märzen and a Wies'n. Guess we need a trip to Augsburg for a final consultation! :grinning:
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  33. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Poo-Bah (1,662) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts

    Ok, if you twist my arm...
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  34. SummitSeries72

    SummitSeries72 Initiate (110) Mar 17, 2011 New Jersey

    Well, I have to say that I think Sierra Nevada's entry into the Marzen/Oktoberfest style was disappointing. I think Great Lakes is a much better representative of an American Oktoberfest. IMHO, I think Great Lakes does the best American Marzen.
  35. fakedeadgirlfriend

    fakedeadgirlfriend Initiate (141) Jan 23, 2013 Florida

    I love Sierra Nevada!
  36. scottakelly

    scottakelly Zealot (502) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    Everyone has an opinion, etc. Mine is that SN mops the floor with Great Lakes when it comes to their Oktoberfest, and I'm a bit of a GL homeboy.
  37. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (2,854) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois

    A style that really isn't widely recognized, but was born from US breweries' interpretation of the style. You can like it, if you want -- and there are some "American" Oktoberfests that are tasty and well-made, but they don't have the original style's character.

    SN, on the other hand, is a great interpretation of that style with the brewers' own twists that don't create a completely different style.
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  38. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,877) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania

    “…they don't have the original style's character.”

    Which begs the question: what defines the “original” style for an Oktoberfest/Marzen beer?

    Is it the type of beer that was brewed in 1810 for the first celebration on the Theresienwiese?

    Is it the type of beer that was served at the Munich tents 40 years ago when some BA first attended the Oktoberfest?

    Is it an Ayinger type beer that is neither dark amber or pale in color?

  39. SummitSeries72

    SummitSeries72 Initiate (110) Mar 17, 2011 New Jersey

    I did not mean to suggest that American Marzen/Oktoberfests were a different style. Ultimately, nobody does Marzens better than the Germans. But I think that Great Lakes is the best American-made Oktoberfest. I hope this clarifies my remarks above. And, yes, I agree that opinions are personal and subjective. Some may well prefer Sierra Nevada's Oktoberfest. In my opinion, I find Sierra Nevada's offering to be quite unlike the traditional German Marzens. Don't know what it is. Maybe the Hop profile?
  40. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Poo-Bah (1,662) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts

    I wonder, do you think Sam Adams was the first to brew this "American Octoberfest"-style beer?
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