1. Looking to trade some beers? Check out How to Get Started with Beer Trading.
Dismiss Notice
We're celebrating 10 years of BeerAdvocate magazine with $10 print subscriptions for US residents.

Subscribe now!

so it happened to me.. no options?

Discussion in 'Beer Trading Talk' started by jaminjohnson, Oct 23, 2012.

  1. jaminjohnson

    jaminjohnson Jul 3, 2012 Yukon (Canada)

    Dropped off box at a mail box store because my partner needed me to ship fedex only and I do not have a fed ex location anywhere near me( I usually ship UPS). Manager called me said I was shipping alcohol and it is illegal and I could be fined 550 dollars if there had broken, he said I can A- have the package destroyed, or B- have them empty the contents and send just the glass.
    No other option? I lose my 20 $ shipping and 80$ is beer? I thought it wasnt illegal, just against there policy?
  2. jbuddle

    jbuddle Feb 24, 2010 New York

    Just try to go get it? I dont think they can hold your box hostage but I could be wrong. Just say you didnt know it was illegal and would like to drink them instead yourself. Then call fedex for a pickup.
    MADhombrewer likes this.
  3. MaxSpang

    MaxSpang Jan 28, 2011 Ohio

    Sounds like you got the "hero" who actually gives a crap about his job (as if!).

    That really sucks... I don't know what to tell ya man.
  4. leedorham

    leedorham Apr 27, 2006 Washington

    It's still at the location? Why won't he give you back the beer?
  5. gn0sis

    gn0sis Dec 17, 2007 Massachusetts
    Beer Trader

    Go back, ask for your box apologetically, plead ignorance and deny you knew it was against policy. Threaten to call the police if they don't comply. They are a privately owned company and shouldn't be able to bully you like that.
  6. JohnGalt1

    JohnGalt1 Aug 10, 2005 Idaho
    Beer Trader

    Ask to speak to his boss.

    Tell him you had no idea it was "illegal" and that you were sending a down on his luck former college buddy a care package.... Apologize... make your case... and tell them that you will ship him some video games and maybe some cookies instead.... But you would however like your beer back.

    Reason with them.... don't just let them take it unilaterally. If they won't budge, then get bitchy... If they don't budge, make sure they know that you will be using UPS from now on.
    GeezLynn, jrnyc and Duff27 like this.
  7. mikecharley

    mikecharley Nov 6, 2008 Pennsylvania
    Beer Trader

    Show up at the store?
  8. jaminjohnson

    jaminjohnson Jul 3, 2012 Yukon (Canada)

    I acted stupid, telling him that i was shipping the glas and the liquid was "a causulty" and didnt know it was illegal to ship alcohol anyways
    the box is at their office. he will not give it back, and I was more than nice about it. Just had a nice 3 way conversation with the target and the manager and the target works for fed ex and was explaining to to the manager that it is illegal for them to hold a package and not ship it or give it back yad a yada. Guys just a dick and probably wants to take them home, must like mexican mole beers and sours.
  9. jaminjohnson

    jaminjohnson Jul 3, 2012 Yukon (Canada)

    The manager is who i talked to and he is irrational, I apologized multiple times and explained that I didnt know and it wouldnt happen again...he said sorry, would you like it destroyed or emptied and shipped
  10. gn0sis

    gn0sis Dec 17, 2007 Massachusetts
    Beer Trader

    Show up at the store, demand your package, if they don't give it back pick up your cell phone and call the police.
  11. jaminjohnson

    jaminjohnson Jul 3, 2012 Yukon (Canada)

    I dont know the laws, I dont know if it would be wise to do this, you know what I mean? I do not want any problems with the police
  12. franklinn

    franklinn May 29, 2012 Vermont

    Aw man, this isn't the first time your trading partner has had issues getting a box through FedEx :(

    Best of luck to you both. How far is the place from your house, you might have better luck in person, unfortunately. Manager sounds like he might be having his special time of the month... Also, double check on that 550 number. If he's bullshitting you, call him out on it.It is technically still illegal, but that figure is awfully specific, and wouldn't apply only if bottle break.

    Edit: also ask him wtf he was doing going through your package in the first place.
    Theeabyss likes this.
  13. gn0sis

    gn0sis Dec 17, 2007 Massachusetts
    Beer Trader

    You haven't violated any laws/policies *yet* as the box hasn't left the store. You had no idea this was illegal and were just sending a care package to a friend down on his/her luck. If this call had come after a bottle breaking halfway on its journey you'd be in a different predicament. This isn't USPS, the police or authorities have no jurisdiction over a privately owned company so you're at no risk with the police. This comes down to property ownership. You made a simple mistake and apologized, the box never left the place you dropped it. They can keep your money, you just want your package back. If you don't do this you're setting a bad precedent for a rogue employee and letting down the beer community at large. And I'm not sure how you'd sleep at night knowing someone like that pulled a fast one like this on you. Again: the box hasn't left the place you dropped it, so no laws or policies have been broken. The worst thing that can happen is you get a stern talking to.
  14. mikecharley

    mikecharley Nov 6, 2008 Pennsylvania
    Beer Trader

    My guess is the police would just tell him to give you back your box, and you to not ship booze again.

    Edit: personally I would call the cops
  15. robinsmv

    robinsmv Jun 24, 2010 Florida

    By empty the contents does he mean into his stomach? Can we get a dick move on this?
    franklinn likes this.
  16. JohnGalt1

    JohnGalt1 Aug 10, 2005 Idaho
    Beer Trader

    Do this!! They do not own the box!
    commis, fiedler84 and Theeabyss like this.
  17. HopDropandRoll

    HopDropandRoll Apr 14, 2010 New York
    Beer Trader

    I was also wondering how he knew right away that there was beer in the box.
    Kopfschuss likes this.
  18. afrokaze

    afrokaze Jun 12, 2009 Arizona
    Beer Trader

    DICK MOVE!! You best go demand that beer back! Like you said, he has no right since it hasn't broken or shipped yet.
  19. gn0sis

    gn0sis Dec 17, 2007 Massachusetts
    Beer Trader

    Not illegal, technically or otherwise.. this is a TOS violation at worst. And personally, I would only ask what he was doing and give him a real piece of your mind after the box is in your hand, if at all. Remember to be cordial but firm and insistent that you want your property back. The key here is that it hasn't entered their distribution channel/logistics network yet. Pick up your cell phone and call your local precinct. If the police won't come to the location, let it be known that you're filing a police report on the spot. Ask for a manager, their employee number, etc..spare no detail. Seriously.. do not let this go lightly.
  20. brees6221

    brees6221 Aug 4, 2009 Western Sahara

    Seriously, this is bullshit.

    A) WTF is he doing opening the box?
    B) I'm sure it's against their policy to ship alcohol but no laws have been broken.
    C) I'll be damned if I'm going to let anyone destroy my beer. You've tried reasoning and being nice, now it's time to argue and play ball. Go in there with your cell phone taking video and tell him to show you the policy. Refuse to stop recording until you get your box back. If he threatens to call the police tell him you'll dial. He has your property and is threatening to destroy it and won't give it back.
  21. da_bulls

    da_bulls Jun 7, 2012 Illinois
    Beer Trader

    This happened to me once at a UPS store. Got a call about 15 minutes later saying they know I was shipping a liquid and thought it was alcohol. I was allowed, as you should be, to pick up the box. When I got there the box was open and the lady I dropped it off with was yelling at me about the fines THEY would get for taking possession of and shipping the box.
  22. Theeabyss

    Theeabyss Apr 19, 2012 Illinois

    Franklinn you are right.....this isnt the first time this has happened to me. Glad I called his FedEx contact and she is going to "smooth it over"

    Ben answer your dam phone!!! :)
  23. franklinn

    franklinn May 29, 2012 Vermont

    Glad we got that Heady situation figured back then, and glad this will be working out without the need to bust heads or call the cops!
  24. Beerandraiderfan

    Beerandraiderfan Apr 14, 2009 Nevada

    Sounds like Fedex is intent on violating the law, not you.

    I know destruction of another's property w/o consent is criminal in every jurisdiction I've practiced in.
    I also know that conversion is an available remedy in every jurisdiction I've practiced in.

    Basically, it sounds like you need to tell the guy, its actually he who needs to chose what to do:
    a) give the box back and call it a day (your demand)
    b) destroy the package against your will followed by a call to the police (re: destruction of property)
    c) empty the contents and ship the glass, against your will, to be followed by a small claims conversion lawsuit against both him and fedex.
  25. Theeabyss

    Theeabyss Apr 19, 2012 Illinois

    Still may need to call the cops. Guess when you send an email with the title DIRECTOR to someone it makes them jump. Let's just see how high.
  26. Treebs

    Treebs Apr 18, 2011 Illinois

    I'm confused, from your initial post it appears you dropped it off at a USPS location since you didn't have a Fed Ex location near you and you couldn't ship UPS. Is this correct? If so, then it's an entirely different ball game.

    EDIT: Disregard. Mail box store through me for a loop.
  27. Theeabyss

    Theeabyss Apr 19, 2012 Illinois

    He dropped it off at at a authorized FedEx shipper but not a FedEx office location.
  28. Urbancaver

    Urbancaver Nov 13, 2009 Ohio

    This is what you need to do
  29. jaminjohnson

    jaminjohnson Jul 3, 2012 Yukon (Canada)

    just talked to an officer, he said go up there he should give it back to you, if not call the police dept back, hope this works out.
    thanks everybody
  30. bryanole27

    bryanole27 Jun 24, 2011 North Carolina

    Watching this thread for a resolution...good luck OP. Sounds like this guy is trying to either score some beer or make out with $550. Sounds to me he needs a boot to the head.
    Theeabyss likes this.
  31. Theeabyss

    Theeabyss Apr 19, 2012 Illinois

    Just go up there then and demand it back in tact the way you gave it to him. Confirm the condition of the contents before you leave too.
  32. Lutter

    Lutter Jun 30, 2010 Texas

    Fuck this guy. I would go in there, demand my property, and call the police if he won't give it back. That's larceny and destruction of property if he pours it out. If they refuse to ship it, fine, but it's not like you're shipping cocaine or a puppy.

    This twerp is not a police officer, a judge, or even a postmaster general... he can't simply destroy your property.
    smutty33 and jrnyc like this.
  33. bryanole27

    bryanole27 Jun 24, 2011 North Carolina

    Yeah seriously, does the 'shipping police' swing in and issue fines? I think not.
  34. Lutter

    Lutter Jun 30, 2010 Texas

    It is possible that their ground trucks could be searched at state borders for alcohol. I've heard of people getting busted for this before in personal vehicles with large quantities of beer (IE: crossing state lines to pick up beer and bringing it back).

    I've never heard of that happening to a UPS truck though. But it is legal if there is reasonable cause for search.
  35. Theeabyss

    Theeabyss Apr 19, 2012 Illinois

    FedEx creates the fines MordorMongo.
  36. Beerandraiderfan

    Beerandraiderfan Apr 14, 2009 Nevada

    So fedex fines fedex employees?
  37. OddNotion

    OddNotion Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
    Beer Trader

    Fortunately they can not enforce the fines.
  38. Beerandraiderfan

    Beerandraiderfan Apr 14, 2009 Nevada

    Ha! The federal government violates the Constititution by failing to enforce Article Four, Section IV at the border, ignores the plain language of the privileges & immunities clause in prohibiting such a transport. . . but hey, we will stop US citizens engaged in legitimate commerce!

    Government facepalm.
    gpawned, Knownfactor and robinsmv like this.
  39. Theeabyss

    Theeabyss Apr 19, 2012 Illinois

    If i tollow your lingo correctly then my andwer is Yup.
  40. UCLABrewN84

    UCLABrewN84 Mar 18, 2010 California

    This is an entertaining thread.
  • About Us

    Your go-to website for beer (since 1996), publishers of BeerAdvocate magazine (since 2006) and hosts of world-class beer events (since 2003). Respect Beer.
  • Extreme Beer FestĀ® Cometh

    February 3-4, 2017. Boston, Mass. Limited tickets available. Prepare for epicness.

    Learn More
  • 10 Years of BeerAdvocate Magazine

    We're celebrating 10 years of BA mag with $10 print subscriptions for US residents!