State by state representation in the Top 250 Rated Beers

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  1. Eamonn-Cummings3

    Eamonn-Cummings3 Poo-Bah (1,990) Jan 23, 2014 New York
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    I was looking through the BA top 250 list and started wondering, is there a state not represented by at least one beer in the top 250? Would there be anyway to figure that out beside going through each of the 250 beers?
     
  2. MFMB

    MFMB Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2015 Idaho

    Well knowing there is not a beer from Idaho in the BA top 250 your post made me curious so I checked out my states top beers. Top beer is Double Vision Dopplebock by Grand Teton Brewing. It checks in at a 4.17 rating and listed at #2,297.....:grin: I enjoy my local beers. Mind blowing? No. As bad as BA ratings would make it seem? Nope.
     
  3. bbtkd

    bbtkd Poo-Bah (14,960) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    I don't even have to check to tell you that South Dakota does not have one in the top 250, and probably not the top 5,000. We have very little beer available outside the state, and not enough population to get one with any kind of ranking. We do have some great breweries and great beers, they just don't get any visibility outside the state.
     
  4. bbtkd

    bbtkd Poo-Bah (14,960) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    ...I was too optimistic...nothing in the top 22,000
     
  5. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Poo-Bah (2,194) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    Ya my guess would be that the top 250 are dominated by a few big states (CA, OR, WA, MA, PA, MI, VT, NY, CO) that have big populations, big name breweries, heavy media presence. And the rest of the states are probably poorly represented including a handful of smaller states with smaller beer cultures are left off.
     
  6. ICTguy21

    ICTguy21 Initiate (0) Jul 18, 2017 Kansas

    Kansas isn't represented. Our top brew is old backus barleywine(a very good beer btw) at 4.21 and #1,503 overall. It's also top 25 for its style but that's as good as it gets here.
     
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  7. TrojanRB

    TrojanRB Poo-Bah (1,678) Jul 27, 2013 Texas
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    The top 250 is heavily skewed by member geographic density / states. It's a glorified popularity contest that is heavily North America centric.

    I can almost guarantee that no matter where you live, there is a locally available beer that is better than something in the "top 250"
     
  8. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Poo-Bah (1,996) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    The number one beer is from Iowa. Missouri is also in the top ten, as is Florida. Sure Florida's a larger state, but they're hardly known as a craft beer hot spot.

    If your state isn't represented I would guess it has more to do with the number of New England style IPAs that are produced (and to a lesser degree, barrel aged stouts).

    Yes MA has a solid media presence, but for a number of years no one cared about craft beers in MA in terms of the top 100/250. It was all about CA because of the West Coast IPA among others, and then VT for the emergence of the New England style IPA.

    Treehouse is the number one rated brewery overall, but they're in the middle of nowhere, and they don't even distribute kegs that I know of, nevermind cans. And before that it was Hill Farmstead, also in the middle of nowhere with very little distribution.

    People rate certain styles higher than others, and if your state has more of those, that can go a long way. And then other breweries in that same area might copy those styles and so on and so forth.
     
  9. MFMB

    MFMB Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2015 Idaho

    Treehouse may be "in the middle of nowhere" as far as the east coast goes but the middle of nowhere out west is a much different thing. Treehouse and TG are well represented in the top 250 hell the top 50. I have traded for a few of their beers and they are pretty tasty but really I think it comes down to more than just the beer on this site to some extent. There is a bit of hype and location factor as well and those two breweries for the mold of hype.

    The closest brewery I live to is Melvin Brewing about a hour away in Alpine Wyoming (nearby out in these parts) They make great beer that is nationally recognized. Their success I would attribute to their beer definitely not location.

    A brewery I really enjoy is 2row Brewing from SLC Utah. They are turning great east coast IPAs to me like Taste Like Citra, Feeling Hazy and 2 Parts East 1 Part West. I think they are on par with a lot of east coast stuff I've had but they bottle instead of putting it in 16oz tall boys and its brewed in the wrong zip code so they hype isn't there.

    In the end there is a lot of hype surrounding many breweries and the top beers BUT I have no doubt great beer rises to the top and all the beers in that top 250 deserve it. Double Vision Dopplebock book from Grand Teton (Idahos top beer) is a good beer. It's place at #2000 something is probably more related to its lack of reviews/ratings which is probably related to its availability and location.

    Oh and ISO: Treehouse and TG FT: Grand Teton and Melvin :grin::wink::sunglasses:
     
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  10. OKbrew89

    OKbrew89 Crusader (785) May 13, 2013 Oklahoma

    Oklahoma has Prairie Bomb!, but that's the only beer from the state. And I think that Apple Brandy Noir is better than Bomb!.
    I know KS, NM, AR don't have any beers in the top 200. But the low population, low brewery states generally don't have highly rated beer on sites like these.
     
  11. MFMB

    MFMB Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2015 Idaho

    Bomb is the Bomb! Cheers
     
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  12. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poo-Bah (8,354) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    When I look at the top 250, I don't see a beer from Wyoming. :slight_frown:
     
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  13. eppie82

    eppie82 Poo-Bah (1,778) Apr 19, 2015 Illinois
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    I like some of the newer breweries that have popped up in Sioux Falls, and downtown specifically. Maybe not 'world class' but I would say they are descent quality. And when you look at the Sioux Falls/South Dakota beer scene from where it was 5 years ago and where it is today, it's 10 fold better. It's just a matter of time before one opens up that people will look to trade for.
     
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  14. bbtkd

    bbtkd Poo-Bah (14,960) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    Sioux Falls has a beer district that now has three brewery/taprooms, and four non-brewery taprooms, all within a few blocks. Remedy Brewing just opened in July, and is already the best in Sioux Falls.
     
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  15. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Poo-Bah (3,727) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    OP, it doesn't seem like it would be too much work to get your answer by looking to see how many beers from each state (in the rankings for each state) have a rating that is higher that 4.43 which is the score for Edward, a beer from Hill Farmstead that is in the 200th position of the Top 250 list. Or to get at the answer to your inquiry, look to see which states don't have a beer that ranks higher than that.
     
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  16. Mindsculptor

    Mindsculptor Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2013 Texas

    Buffalo Sweat doesn't get enough love.
     
  17. Mindsculptor

    Mindsculptor Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2013 Texas

    I have a Crowler of BA Bomb just waiting on my next bottle share.
     
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  18. Realsambo

    Realsambo Initiate (0) Apr 15, 2016 Texas

    Melvin is the best beer available in Idaho, i feel like 2x4 should be up there pretty high.
     
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  19. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poo-Bah (8,354) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    Not enough reviews/rates or it would be.
     
  20. dennis3951

    dennis3951 Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2008 New Jersey

    Well it looks like NJ has no top 200 beers, at least we lead the notion in people who drive Volvos!
     
  21. Realsambo

    Realsambo Initiate (0) Apr 15, 2016 Texas

    And that isn't even their best, just most common
     
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  22. ICTguy21

    ICTguy21 Initiate (0) Jul 18, 2017 Kansas

    Definitely a quality sweet stout, hoping to try their vanilla version next time it comes out.
     
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  23. Mindsculptor

    Mindsculptor Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2013 Texas

    I've had the BA Vanilla Cinnamon version. It's good, but not enough of a difference to seek out.
     
  24. Sturgeon83

    Sturgeon83 Aspirant (277) Mar 11, 2015 Kentucky
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    It doesn't appear that Kentucky is in there, which I don't necessarily take issue with, although I will say that we have some brewers making stuff very comparable to some of the more famous beers on the list. The good news is: bourbon.
     
  25. MFMB

    MFMB Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2015 Idaho

    But beers with Kentucky in the name are well represented :wink:
     
  26. Sturgeon83

    Sturgeon83 Aspirant (277) Mar 11, 2015 Kentucky
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    Very true. New rule: if you put "Kentucky" in the name of your beer, you gotta send some bottles our way.
     
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  27. bbtkd

    bbtkd Poo-Bah (14,960) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    A lot of Prairie stouts are better than Bomb! Bomb just has had more production/distribution. Specifically, Pirate Bomb, Pirate Noir, Coffee Noir, and BA Bomb are all better. Haven't had Apple Brandy Noir but I hear it is phenomenal.
     
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  28. OffTrail

    OffTrail Initiate (98) Aug 12, 2012 Washington

    Vermont has a big population and big media presence? I don't think so.
     
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  29. RutgersBeerGuy

    RutgersBeerGuy Aspirant (220) Jan 16, 2007 New Jersey
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    Kane Sunday Brunch is #83 currently.
     
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  30. woodchipper

    woodchipper Poo-Bah (1,592) Oct 25, 2005 Connecticut
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    I'm not surprised by the non-represented states. Obviously it has to do with population density.

    First and foremost the state must have a big enough market within it or in neighboring states to attract a critical mass of brewers that statistically lead to a stand-out beer. Even if a fluke Jedi brewer sets up shop and makes a killer beer he either has to have money to distribute out of the low pop area or be lucky enough to get that ephemeral marketing buzz going that makes it worth the trip.
    Second, barring the last sentence, there has to be enough BA's in the distro area to rate the beer.
    I would suggest a more interesting question is "What is the lowest density state that has beer(s) in the 250?". I know you're jumping to write "Vermont", but I don't think that's fair. I live in New England and travel-wise, NE is like one state, even small when compared to the big states out west.
    Is Alaskan Brewing in the 250? Without taking the time to research it I would guess that's the winner to my question.
     
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  31. B_Horne

    B_Horne Initiate (39) Jun 12, 2014 California

    This is exactly what I was thinking when I visited TreeHouse this summer. I could travel 2 hours in any direction and I would have traveled through other states, another country, or hit the ocean.
    Where I live in California 2 hours doesn't get me out of the state. North would take me 6 hours and south over 10 hours. It is hard to compare the two as equals.
     
  32. DrumKid003

    DrumKid003 Initiate (0) Aug 10, 2013 Oklahoma

    Prairie gets national & international distribution which is the only reason it is rated that high, and the only reason it got there was because of the first 3 versions (i.e. Gold, Red, and Blue wax bottles), and they have since changed the source of the coffee used, as well as expanded distribution ten-fold. I would say that Pirate Bomb! (Batch 1: Green Wax), Vanilla Noir, and Bible Belt (Batch 1) are better beers from Prairie. I would also say COOP, RoughTail, Twisted Spike, and Stonecloud all have beer(s) that are as good as, if not better in some cases, than Bomb! even though most aren't in the same category. RoughTail is the most guilty of trying to jump on the hype train as of late with all the limited/brewery-only releases (mainly NE IPAs) they've been producing over the last 6 months, and I just haven't been overly impressed by the overwhelming vast majority of them.
     
  33. DrumKid003

    DrumKid003 Initiate (0) Aug 10, 2013 Oklahoma

    I will agree that Buffalo Sweat doesn't get enough love, but I would argue that Vanilla Bean Buffalo Sweat, BBA VB BS, and King Buffalo are better beers all around.
     
  34. mikeinportc

    mikeinportc Poo-Bah (1,909) Nov 4, 2015 New York
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    ...butttt.....there is a large population & media presence within reasonable driving distance. ; )
     
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  35. mudbug

    mudbug Defender (622) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon

    The attempt at regional areas tried to do this but the top beers are data driven by the majority of BAs that submit reviews and ratings. East coast wins in this regard by a lot
     
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  36. OffTrail

    OffTrail Initiate (98) Aug 12, 2012 Washington

    Point taken.
     
  37. ICTguy21

    ICTguy21 Initiate (0) Jul 18, 2017 Kansas

    Noted. I'm still hours away from their brewery so I'll just grab one when it hits shelves around here. There's quite a few other great stouts and porters around here too, it just seems that for whatever reason Tallgrass has disproportionately good out of state distribution.
     
  38. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Poo-Bah (2,103) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Melvin > all the hot haze bro beers.
     
  39. Jugs_McGhee

    Jugs_McGhee Poo-Bah (11,061) Aug 15, 2010 Australia
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    Um....forget individual states or provinces from one specific country. Why aren't countries besides the U.S. better represented in the Top 250?

    Live Oak's Hefeweizen is the best expression of the style in the world? Really, guys?

    Buy a bloody passport...
     
  40. MFMB

    MFMB Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2015 Idaho

    I'm sure glad you didn't mention Treehouse by name or many here on TreehouseAdvocate would be upset. Hot haze bro beers sounds like a safer word choice:wink:
     
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