Release Stone /// Fear.Movie.Lions

Discussion in 'Beer News & Releases' started by BeastOfTheNortheast, Jun 1, 2018.

  1. BeastOfTheNortheast

    BeastOfTheNortheast Aspirant (266) Dec 26, 2009 Pennsylvania

  2. Socialillness

    Socialillness Initiate (45) May 9, 2018 New York

    Ahhhh more loral hops giving the people exactly what they want :rolling_eyes:
     
  3. Oktoberfiesta

    Oktoberfiesta Aspirant (238) Nov 16, 2013 New Mexico

    What a waste of mosaic.

    I always cry alittle when these regional to large scale breweries use up the citra, and simcoe and it never really hits your palate the right way. Then I hear about these smaller breweries who don’t have access to these hops who’d know how to actually use them. /end rant.
     
  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (3,640) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Is it safe to say you are not a fan of Loral hops?

    Would you please relate why?

    Cheers!
     
  5. pjeagles

    pjeagles Initiate (136) May 29, 2005 New Mexico

    I hope the Stone layoffs included whoever over-contracted for all those Loral hops.
     
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  6. IPAExpert69

    IPAExpert69 Initiate (158) Aug 2, 2017 New Jersey

    loral hops aside, I will be trying this beer. Hopefully the Mosaic hops dominate, and I'm curious to see if Stone can even make a NEIPA. May be in the minority here, but I'm hopeful about this beer!
     
  7. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Poo-Bah (9,927) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania

    I'm not a fan of Loral hops either Jack. I don't hate them, but they're not my favorite. I like them better than Belma though. I think part of the reason for that might be that to a certain extent we've become jaded, and we seek explosively flavored hops with Citra being perhaps the best example. I can even see a little bit of myself in that, but at the same time I'm old school and I grew up on more subtle hops like East Kent Goldings, Hallertauer, and Cluster. Just a thought.

    Another though is that perhaps they just haven't been using them to their best potential. Perhaps they haven't found the best hops to pair them with. I know it's hard to think that Stone, king of hops, wouldn't nail it but maybe they didn't - hopefully, until now!
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (3,640) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Jim, is there a flavor that they provide that you dislike? Is there some other reason you are not a fan?
    Have you personally tasted any of the Stone beers that 'featured' Loral hops? Were those beers unpleasant for you?

    Cheers!
     
  9. MNAle

    MNAle Savant (980) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Interesting distribution map for this beer: basically east of the Mississippi plus a few states. Only Washington and Nevada in the west (NOT California!).
     
  10. Oktoberfiesta

    Oktoberfiesta Aspirant (238) Nov 16, 2013 New Mexico

    I got a lot of lemon flavors when I tried their last Loral forward beer. I get that lemons are a tropical 'fruit' and some would describe as citrusy. But for me, loral should almost never be used in a NE style IPA. I don't think of lemons when I think of the heavy NE and mid Atlantic hitters, I just don't. I think they over bought and are literally tossing us a lemon.

    Re the map: maybe it's Only being brewed in VA?
     
  11. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Meyvn (1,317) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona
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    Thanks for sharing, will be adding this to my list, sounds great to me.
    Cheers:beers:
     
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  12. beertunes

    beertunes Poo-Bah (5,444) Sep 24, 2007 Washington
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    Doesn't seem to be any shortage of Mosaic out here. Everybody seems to cranking out Mosaic beers. Even smaller breweries who haven't quite figured out how to use them.
     
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  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (3,640) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    From the description for Stone ///Fear.Movie.Lions :

    “Overall this unfiltered double IPA is juiced up with massive tropical & citrus notes”.

    I take it you are not a fan of “citrus notes”?

    Cheers!
     
  14. beertunes

    beertunes Poo-Bah (5,444) Sep 24, 2007 Washington
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    Yeah, I found that odd too.
     
  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (3,640) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    As regards the distribution of this beer. Maybe this beer is only being brewed at the East Coast (RVA) brewery and this is impacting how Stone decided to distribute this beer?

    @StoneBrewing

    Cheers!
     
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  16. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Poo-Bah (9,927) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania

    I've tasted the following Stone beers with Loral hops and included my scores for you as well:
    Ghost Hammer 4.2
    Exalted IPA 3.95
    Loral & Rudi's Adventure 4.14

    ...so, no, those beers were certainly not unpleasant to me (although I am rating very much to style and lesser so to personal hedonistic tastes). Clearly I'm not against Loral hops, I just don't find them that exciting. They're floral, fruity, earthy, and peppery - and the fruitiness includes citrus but also apple/pear and some dark fruit. What I think it comes down to is that they're a little muddy to begin with, with a lot going on but without anything really popping unless you get a little too much of that pepper. I'm sure they've got a use, but I'm not sure how I would use them myself as I can't figure out what other hop I would pair them with to bring something exciting out of them. But, as noted earlier, I like them better than Belma which seem muddied and boring to me.
     
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  17. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Poo-Bah (9,927) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania

    “Overall this unfiltered double IPA is juiced up with massive tropical & citrus notes”.

    I'm always a little confused by this. Aren't all citrus fruits tropical to begin with? I'd love to have a separation though where "tropical" includes pineapple, mango, papaya, guava, passionfruit, melon, etc. but not citrus - that would make it easier to write reviews.
     
  18. IPAExpert69

    IPAExpert69 Initiate (158) Aug 2, 2017 New Jersey

    Not a bad beer, but the price sweet mother of god!!!
     
  19. IPAExpert69

    IPAExpert69 Initiate (158) Aug 2, 2017 New Jersey

    Depends on if you consider the kumquat tropical? :wink: fruit jokes!
     
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  20. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (3,640) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Jim, FWIW that is how I make a distinction when I discuss beers:
    • Tropical = pineapple, mango, papaya,...
    • Citrus = Grapefruit, Orange, Lemon,...
    I typically prefer to just use the general terms of "tropical fruit" and "citrus" vs. calling out individual fruits.

    Cheers!
     
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  21. Dan411

    Dan411 Initiate (88) Mar 20, 2017 Missouri

    Very different for sure. I haven't seen that before from them. Lately, we have had the opportunity to try some of Stone's seasonal and one-offs before several states, but it looks like we will miss this one.
     
  22. BeastOfTheNortheast

    BeastOfTheNortheast Aspirant (266) Dec 26, 2009 Pennsylvania

    Just an FYI - I picked up a 6 pack of 16 oz cans in PA for $12.49. So, I am assuming it is even less in every other state where it is distributed. For that price and for the style, I will take my chances. I enjoyed Ghost Hammer, which someone above noted was brewed using Loral hops.
     
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  23. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Champion (812) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania
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    Can somebody please tell me what this beer name means so I can stop looking? The cryptic "What 3 words pinpoint where this beast was born? The location is printed on the can" doesn't seem to be helping.
     
  24. BeastOfTheNortheast

    BeastOfTheNortheast Aspirant (266) Dec 26, 2009 Pennsylvania

    Good question. I was thinking the same thing, so I am glad you asked it.
     
  25. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (3,640) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Pretty safe bet.

    Cheers!

    P.S. Please report back your impressions on this beer.
     
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  26. BeastOfTheNortheast

    BeastOfTheNortheast Aspirant (266) Dec 26, 2009 Pennsylvania

    Will do. I plan to try one tonight.
     
  27. pjeagles

    pjeagles Initiate (136) May 29, 2005 New Mexico

    It's too bad the Loral hops can't say something offensive. Ok, I'm done.
     
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  28. Jaycase

    Jaycase Meyvn (1,181) Jan 13, 2007 Illinois
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    https://map.what3words.com/fear.movie.lions

    It's the location of the Richmond brewery using what3words.
     
  29. beertunes

    beertunes Poo-Bah (5,444) Sep 24, 2007 Washington
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    Yeah, soo much less ambiguous to say fearmovielions than it is Richmond Virginia. FFS.
     
  30. MNAle

    MNAle Savant (980) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    "It means anyone can accurately find any location and share it more quickly, easily and with less ambiguity than any other system."

    BS. That goofy system is not an improvement over addresses or GPS coordinates.

    4300 Williamsburg Ave, Richmond, VA 23231 is clear enough, and 37.5211392 x -77.41252429999997 is certainly not ambiguous.

    Yet another silly app "fixing" what wasn't broken to being with.
     
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  31. Subcontrabass

    Subcontrabass Initiate (58) Jun 21, 2014 North Carolina

    ///Fear.Movie.Lions is a lot easier for me to remember than 37.5211392 x -77.41252429999997, but I guess to each his own.
     
  32. MNAle

    MNAle Savant (980) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Quick! Don't use the app or the website... what is the location of your house? The home you grew up in? Your best friend's home? The White House?
     
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  33. beertunes

    beertunes Poo-Bah (5,444) Sep 24, 2007 Washington
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    Where will fearmovietigers fall? Consoletheaterhyenas?
     
  34. THANAT0PSIS

    THANAT0PSIS Crusader (760) Aug 3, 2010 Wisconsin
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    Sure, but at least GPS coordinates are a system that can be understood. This "system" is purposefully random (rather than, say, grouping together a bunch of squares that start with "Fear"). Also, an area of 9 meters squared is uselessly small as a measurement. GPS isn't perfect (different sized points represented by a second of latitude/longitude dependent upon one's distance from the equator isn't great, and long strings of seemingly random numbers are nigh impossible to remember), but at least it's pretty a easily understandable and applicable concept. Sure, with this system you can tell me you live at Filthy Pregnant Walrus, but without looking that up in the app, how am I to intuit where that is? If you gave me your GPS coordinates, I can at least approximate it in my head if I'm at all familiar with the system. Maybe being forced to use the app is the point because everyone has some device on them at all times these days, but it just seems like clumsily "solving" a "problem" that didn't really need solving in the first place.
     
  35. Zorro

    Zorro Poo-Bah (4,267) Dec 25, 2003 California

    Just another Stone IPA to go with the other 30 or so they release in a year.

    It really is a waste of a brewery that used to be able to brew other styles.
     
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  36. BeastOfTheNortheast

    BeastOfTheNortheast Aspirant (266) Dec 26, 2009 Pennsylvania

    Had this last night after a Leon and Fat Tire, so my opinion might be flawed.

    This def. has more bitterness to it than most NEIPAs I've had, which I found to be quite unique. Even though this is a double IPA - comparing it to SN's Hazy Little Thing, I thought this blew it out of the water. Maybe the change up is why I enjoyed it so much. TBH, I didn't get much citrus but instead thought it was more tropical/floral. Also, the price is huge with this one.
     
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  37. Ryan4120

    Ryan4120 Disciple (379) Dec 17, 2014 Virginia

    I agree man, I love loral hops but they are overusing them and it's starting to make all of this year's offerings from Stone taste similar
     
  38. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Champion (812) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania
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    I guess their formula for success is:

    Step 1: Hire new CEO
    Step 2: Fire one of the best brewers in craft beer
    Step 3: Make your year round lineup all IPAs
    Step 4: Get rid of most of your most popular, non-IPA beers
    Step 5: Do lots of dumb stuff for attention

    Wonder if anyone else will be following this route to continued success?
     
  39. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (3,640) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Who did Stone "fire"? Do you have specific information here?

    Cheers!
     
  40. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Champion (812) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania
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    Well . . . it was never framed that way, but I'm pretty sure Mitch didn't leave of his own volition.

    http://draftmag.com/mitch-steele-leaving-stone/
     
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