Sucaba/Barleywine Question

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  1. FEUO

    FEUO Disciple (325) Jul 24, 2012 Ontario (Canada)

    How has BB4D not been mentioned? Oi vey.

    Likely the best, and my most favorite, brew of all timez.
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  2. dianimal

    dianimal Initiate (161) Apr 18, 2012 California

    I recently tasted several barleywines side by side, and I liked them all, but thought the Sucaba was just a little too boozy for me. Flavor was good, don't get me wrong; I just prefer a little less of the boozy heat.
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  3. Domingo

    Domingo Poo-Bah (2,194) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    Sucaba is a fine take on an English Barleywine that has been aged in a whiskey barrel. There are others that have the same level of quality (King Henry, Bligh’s, MOAS, etc.) – but be fully aware that you’re unlikely to find (m)any that are better. You’re far more likely to find one that isn’t in the same league.
    Some that ARE as good need some additional time as well. For instance, IMO the one from Hoppin’ Frog was VERY hot when it first came out, but with some time it has become terrific.
    If anything, it's a style that can be very right or very wrong depending on a little time.
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  4. Mattys21

    Mattys21 Initiate (82) Feb 17, 2013 Texas
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    I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Victory's Oak Horizontal - Barrel-Aged English style Barleywine...It's the second best of this style I've had...only to Sucaba of course. CW BA Barleywine is 3rd in my book.
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  5. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (1,810) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    I liked it, too. I do remember some people hinting on the Mid-Atlantic board that there may have been some inconsistencies, or it wasn't that good when first released but got better, yada yada...but the one I got was really excellent. Not as great as Sucaba, but definitely worth trying.
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  6. smakawhat

    smakawhat Poo-Bah (5,928) Mar 18, 2008 Maryland

    English style, barrel aged... the irony is that I have this every year at the pub, I still to this day have never bothered with a bottle of it. :)

    Recommendations.. simple.

    An easy great to get one, that isn't barrel aged is Old Foghorn from Anchor Steam. This never fails.

    Also consider, Dominion Millenium, Duck Rabbit as well.

    for the barrel aged consider

    Heavy Seas varieties,
    Weyerbacher Insanity (a personal fav)

    Rip it up seriously... JW Lees out of the cask...
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  7. imperialbeerdude

    imperialbeerdude Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2012 Colorado

    I think I like bigfoot more than most IIPA's. Mmmmm malt and hops.
  8. swetsastonic

    swetsastonic Aspirant (298) Mar 22, 2012 New Jersey

    sucaba is one of the best somewhat accessible barleywines. top of class is king henry. second is probably leon. but they're tough to get your hands on.
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  9. alysmith4

    alysmith4 Initiate (0) Feb 11, 2005 District of Columbia

    I know! And I had Sucaba and Leon last night! I suppose it's all downhill from here :rolleyes:
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  10. hoparoundnw2337

    hoparoundnw2337 Initiate (54) Aug 6, 2011 Washington
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    Firestone Walker has it going on. They are a freak of brewing for those who want a great readily available fantastic Barrel Aged Barleywine...
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  11. hoparoundnw2337

    hoparoundnw2337 Initiate (54) Aug 6, 2011 Washington
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    Oh sure.... Bring Leon into it. Now I am really thirty!!!
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  12. vacax

    vacax Initiate (0) Jun 3, 2008 California
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    FW has to be one of the only beers where their special releases are available everywhere easily except its home state. Getting a bottle of Parabola or something is annoying as hell here.
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  13. glaze3

    glaze3 Initiate (17) Jul 29, 2010 Nevada

    Try Alesmith Old Numbskull
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  14. Homebrewpat

    Homebrewpat Initiate (161) Nov 12, 2012 New Jersey

    another amazing bb barleywine is central waters. Their whole bour on barrel series is amazing as is but true;y unbeatable at the price they sell for
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  15. xgeneralzodx

    xgeneralzodx Initiate (0) Nov 3, 2009 California

    Darth I found CEC to be nothing like Sucaba IMHO it was as you said fairly malt forward for an American style but the hop finish just completely knocked it out of any comparable status to Sucaba. Also I found that the bourbon barrel character was very minimal in comparison being that it wasn't very up front. That along with the overall mouthfeel of CEC being thinner in my opinion makes for a difficult arguement that it is "very similar to Sucaba". I think CEC is good but not a fair comparison. Just my .02 cents
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  16. tennispl

    tennispl Initiate (0) Dec 28, 2012 Washington

    Man, that must be good if it ages you to thirty! :)
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  17. Davl22

    Davl22 Disciple (356) Sep 27, 2011 New Hampshire
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    If you can find it near you, Anchor's Old Foghorn is a GREAT barleywine for the price. English style, lower abv (8%) makes it more drinkable than most BW out there.
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  18. kdb150

    kdb150 Devotee (456) Mar 8, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Oak Horizontal is an American, although the hops are mild enough so as to distinguish it rather favorably from mpst other American barleywines out there. It also happens to be really good fresh, more so even than Sucaba IMO. However, right now year-old Sucaba is head and shoulders above every other barleywine. So good.
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  19. zeledonia

    zeledonia Meyvn (1,352) Nov 23, 2008 Washington
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    Big, sweet, bourbon barrel aged beers like Sucaba (barleywines, strong ales, old ales, whatever) are, for me, the pinnacle of beer (at least what I've had). Some of the best I've enjoyed:

    Mother of All Storms
    King Henry
    Arctic Devil
    Fremont Bourbon Barrel Abominable aka B-bomb
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  20. FTowne

    FTowne Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 Missouri

    Are you me?
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  21. alysmith4

    alysmith4 Initiate (0) Feb 11, 2005 District of Columbia

    Haha, why's that?
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  22. mychalg9

    mychalg9 Champion (845) Apr 8, 2010 Illinois
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    Interesting, I always thought I had tried this beer but now I'm not so sure. I'll have to look into getting a bottle.
  23. FTowne

    FTowne Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 Missouri

    Sucaba was a game changer for me as well. Hate barleywines, love Sucaba.
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  24. alysmith4

    alysmith4 Initiate (0) Feb 11, 2005 District of Columbia

    Still hate barleywines?
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  25. FTowne

    FTowne Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 Missouri

    Insanity was really good as well, but I haven't found any others that I'd drink again.
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  26. FEUO

    FEUO Disciple (325) Jul 24, 2012 Ontario (Canada)

    Had my first Sucaba last night. Reminds me A LOT of BB4D. Absolutely delicious. Wow. I love BW/Old Ales already. This is probably the best alongside BB4D I've ever had.
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  27. fujindemon74

    fujindemon74 Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2012 Pennsylvania

    So you're enjoying barrel aged english-style barleywines.
    Insanity is good fresh, but really comes into being over 1-5 years imo.

    I'd suggest Arcadia BA Cereal Killer and Hoppin' Frog BA Naked Evil when the opportunity presents itself.
    I'm guessing you will enjoy these as well.
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  28. harperman69

    harperman69 Aspirant (234) Feb 11, 2009 Tennessee
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    Mirror Mirror was my favorite and recently Deschutes informed me they are finally making it again. Currently barrel aging and will be ready for a 2014 release.
  29. fujindemon74

    fujindemon74 Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2012 Pennsylvania

    You need to try Hoppin Frog BA Naked Evil & CCB Warmer Winter Winter Warmer.
    Trust me.
  30. FTowne

    FTowne Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 Missouri

    I guess I am ISO: of this now.
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  31. OneBeertoRTA

    OneBeertoRTA Devotee (490) Jan 2, 2010 California
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    Sucaba is one of the best Bourbon Barrel Aged Barley Wines out there. IMO, the barrel aging changes Barley Wines more so than any other styles so much so that the profile of a BW is almost lost. I happen to be both a BW and BA BW lover but by no means would your high opinion of Sucaba mean you would like traditional BWs, like HoD Doggie Claws etc...

    I would guarentee you would love some of these not too difficult to find brews: Arctic Devil, Central Waters BBBW, BA Numbskull, and BA Naked Evil. I'm guessing you are into Old Ales and Scotch ales as well like Backwoods Bastard, BA Big Sounds, etc... Similiar taste because the bourbon sweetness shines through and changes the liquid.
  32. alysmith4

    alysmith4 Initiate (0) Feb 11, 2005 District of Columbia

    Yes, I got some SN Bigfoot, and didn't care for it. I was able to try the BA version at a bottle share though, and really enjoyed it!

    Ps. FT: SN Bigfoot ;)
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  33. OneBeertoRTA

    OneBeertoRTA Devotee (490) Jan 2, 2010 California
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    Irony is that many of us don't even consider the hoppy bigfoot a BW, it's more like a DIPA. You will really dislike traditional american Barley Wines like Doggie Claws. More than happy to send you a bottle for tasting:)
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  34. MikeTen

    MikeTen Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2009 California

    Will you saunter down to the ATM machine and input your PIN number? :)

    Well, that seems highly unnecessary.
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  35. FTowne

    FTowne Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 Missouri

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  36. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2012 Texas

    Is Doggie Claws really hoppy?
  37. swetsastonic

    swetsastonic Aspirant (298) Mar 22, 2012 New Jersey

  38. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2012 Texas

    It's one I'd like to try, but the Hair of the Dog stuff is hard to trade for.
  39. OneBeertoRTA

    OneBeertoRTA Devotee (490) Jan 2, 2010 California
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    No, it's a real BW. If you like Doggie Claws you are no longer beginner, straight expert mode. The guys that like Kunnenn 4D, and the other so called boozy stuff not covered my bourbon goodness.

    Doggie's and the regular HoD stuff trades for locals.
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  40. loafinaround

    loafinaround Aspirant (296) Jul 16, 2011 New York

    this thread amuses me because I just gave a good friend (who's a real beer lover) a bottle of sucuba today... and he seemed unusually gunshy. He muttered something about not liking something similar that he tried recently... (couldn't get if it was also from firestone, or another barrel aged barleywine)

    I'm now awaiting his sucuba review... everyone's palate is unique, but I'd be stunned if he didn't love it.
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