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Texas cellar question

Discussion in 'Southwest' started by icetrauma, Jan 19, 2013.

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  1. kunstdrache

    kunstdrache Initiate (0) Sep 22, 2006 Texas

    My kid's closet.
  2. jaymesbawned

    jaymesbawned Initiate (0) Feb 1, 2011 Texas

    Yeah mine are just in the bottom of a dark pantry. of course, It's only 20 or so deep right now.
  3. SeaSparrow

    SeaSparrow Initiate (0) Sep 4, 2010 Texas

    I would suggest a used freezer (standup or chest) plus a temp controller. Works great and is the largest/cheapest good option in my opinion.
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  4. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2012 Texas

    I need to clean up a nasty looking one that I have wound up with. It'll be a lot of work, but should work great. Guess I need to also read about temp controllers too!
  5. DonD

    DonD Aspirant (206) Jun 23, 2008 Texas
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    Agreed. I got a very well kept upright on craigslist for $75. $50 on a temp controller and its perfect. Holds about 100 bombers and 50 12oz'ers.
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  6. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2012 Texas

    Dangit... now I gotta clean up that mess and find a way to plug it in. lol
  7. Danielbt

    Danielbt Initiate (0) May 4, 2012 Texas

    "Eventually"? I'd use the word "quickly". :slight_smile:

    It's amazing how fast you fill up space once you have it.
  8. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2012 Texas

    Yup, contracting is much harder than expanding.

    I had the beer fridge for about 3 years before I really started packing it. Once I started trading and buying more than just drinking beers it got out of control.
  9. SeaSparrow

    SeaSparrow Initiate (0) Sep 4, 2010 Texas

    For a cellar you can easily go with an analog ($40-50ish) temp controller. It takes a little adjusting to get the temp just right, but once you set it, you don't need to change it for a cellar.

    For homebrewing fermenting freezers it's worth it to go digital ($70-90ish), because you want to be able to change the temperature often and need it to be right on as soon as it is set.
  10. omnigrits

    omnigrits Initiate (0) Jun 1, 2006 Texas

    This might seem like a stupid question, but why do so few (if any?) Texas houses have basements? I don't recall seeing one in the more than 13 years I've lived here.

    Edit: Make that south central Texas houses - they're the ones I have most experience of.
  11. jbeezification

    jbeezification Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2012 Texas

    A lot of Texas' populated areas are only a few feet above sea level.
  12. UHCougar12

    UHCougar12 Disciple (379) Feb 21, 2011 Texas
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    Only thing I could think of is that the ground is so dry, and hard that building the houses would be much more expensive to break through the ground. I do service work and can honestly say I've never seen a house in Texas with a basement.
  13. Show

    Show Initiate (180) Jul 21, 2011 Texas

    how do i store my beer?
    in a fridge of course... but i have 3 of them....
  14. kunstdrache

    kunstdrache Initiate (0) Sep 22, 2006 Texas

    I know one of the biggest reasons for that is that if you dig down two feet in most areas in Texas you'll either hit limestone or hard clay. Limestone will need to pretty much be dynamited. Clay isn't too bad but the problem is when it rains enough it'll become loose and move around enough that when it hardens again it can affect the structural ingerity of the basement. Rain also presents a problem with limestone as it is porous and will move a ton if water around the basement so you'll have to make sure the basement is super-super sealed against water.

    All this info is backed by my pool boy buddy.
  15. Lutter

    Lutter Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2010 Texas

    I used to work at a building in downtown Austin with a parking garage that went underground 4 stories. I don't think water table is an issue. They had a LOT of leaks down there when it rained hard though, lol. My spot was on B4 and I always expected my truck to be floating if their pumps gave out.

    I've also been in a house in West Lake ($$$$) that had a basement with a huge wine cellar.

    Whole Foods Downtown has a 2-3 level underground garage as well. I just assume you need infrastructure and expensive maintenance to pull it off.
  16. kmello69

    kmello69 Defender (618) Nov 27, 2011 Texas
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    Where I live in Round Rock, I've dug in my backyard, and about a foot down is solid rock. Neighbors put in a pool, and they had jackhammers going out there for a week straight to dig the hole.
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  17. reverseapachemaster

    reverseapachemaster Aspirant (244) Sep 21, 2012 Texas
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    Around here in the DFW area the ground is full of clay. It's very hard to dig into and the ground shifts very easily both when it rains a lot and when it doesn't. During the summer we have to water the foundation to keep the soil up against the foundation. If you don't do that then the foundation can shift and cause cracks in the dry wall and structural problems. I once went into a house that was so bad you could feel the foundation shift under your feet as you walked. It's not ideal ground for digging into and trying to build a permanent structure. That doesn't make it impossible, just expensive.

    Land is cheap in Texas compared to other states. It's cheaper to build a larger house than it is to dig into the ground to put in a basement. Every once in a while you do find a house with a basement though.
  18. H0rnedFr0gs

    H0rnedFr0gs Disciple (300) Mar 12, 2012 Texas
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    They are few and far between and I think topography plays a big role in Fort Worth...with a lot of mid century and ranch style homes needing to take advantage of space without building up they are perhaps more common here than in places like Houston.

    While on the topic of form and design I saw a design for a modular wine cellar built into a pre cast cement drop in. http://m.concretenetwork.com/ugc/precast-wine-cellars.html <-had a good visual of what I had seen. It was billed as a super cheap way to add into existing home..assuming you know where all your pipes and shit go you could just drop one into your garage floor, but a sealed metal door on it and park over it. Either that or just drop it into the backyard and avoid the hassle.
  19. ThirdEyePA

    ThirdEyePA Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2011 Texas

    I've built fences a few different places in the Hill Country and that limestone is no joke.
  20. lokieman

    lokieman Initiate (0) Jan 20, 2011 Oklahoma

    In high school I worked on a ranch outside of Georgetown and spent many days manually digging post holes. Never more than a few minutes before we had the digging bar out trying to smash through layers of rock...fuck I hated that job.
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  21. TX-Badger

    TX-Badger Poo-Bah (2,589) Jun 14, 2012 Texas
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    Yeah, being from Wisconsin, it took some getting used to that pretty much no homes down here have basements......weird.....
  22. ThirdEyePA

    ThirdEyePA Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2011 Texas

    Yea man, my uncle lived in Georgetown and digging anything out there was brutal. It's the same way in Coryell county. We had a deer lease out there and built fences around 3 corn feeders and 2 protein feeders and I don't think I ever worked that hard in my life. And I used to do landscaping before that.
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