The American Pale Ale is the next "IT" beer style

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  1. Biff_Tannen

    Biff_Tannen Initiate (0) Dec 8, 2013 Missouri

    i feel very strongly about this.

    For so long, IPA's have been so popular. However, breweries have gotten just too crazy with the ibu's, not to mention beer drinkers seem to be steering more toward lower abv beers, so all of these hop bombs are becoming very passé. Most ipa's are 6-8%. Most American Pale Ales are in the 5-6 range. They go down much smoother with more balance. Also have less calories. Session iPas won't be around at all in 10 years if not 5. Nothing but a gimmick. No balance. Except for Boulevard Pop Up. That is the most balanced session IPA I have ever had.

    What are your favorite American Pale Ales? Some of my favorites are:

    4 Hands City Wide
    Half Acre Daisy Cutter
    3 Floyds Zombie Dust
    Stone Pale Ale 2.0
    Sierra Nevada Pale Ale
    Boulevard Pale Ale

    What other readily available ones out there are worth trying?
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  2. basaywhat

    basaywhat Poo-Bah (1,951) May 20, 2013 Illinois
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    Dale's Pale Ale by Oskar Blues
  3. nerdboy19

    nerdboy19 Initiate (0) Sep 20, 2015 Korea (South)

    My favorites :
    Ballast Point Gruinion
    Beavertown Gamma Ray
    Toppling Goliath Pseudo Sue

    I love pale ale. They are more drinkable and balanced than IPA/DIPAs. I really want to try Fort Point from Trillium.
  4. jssf

    jssf Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2015 California

    My faves
    Trillium Fort Point
    TG Pseudo Sue
    Boulevard/Cigar City Collaboration No. 5
    I actually really highly rate Marin's Mt. Tam too. I think it's underrated.
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  5. Oktoberfiesta

    Oktoberfiesta Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2013 New Mexico

    Lagunitas Born yesterday was amazing. I look at that citruanus and that waldo experiment as one they should cut short and produce more of born yesterday in favor of it.

    I do realize it's abv is 6.5%.

    I do also realize, my local favorite is considered an "IPA" at 6.5%.

    It's a fuzzy game out there.

    I don't think I have truly found a great tasting APA that makes me want to drink that over its IPA counterpart.

    Mosaic promise showed me promise (5.5%), but then I had some SN HH and at .7% higher, those maltier sweeter notes really hit home. MP felt too dry and lacking in character.

    NB Citradelic is pushing home a more sessionable approach with its 6% "IPA". SA Rebel GF is 6.3-6.5% IPA.

    I'm rambling here. But I really think that new wave is more of that 5.5% to 6.5% "session" trip. DIPAs are OUT. Out by a long shot.

    In short, I do agree. APA, if you want to try to box that in as a category, is approaching a BIG year for them.

    First it was Heady at 8%, then focal banger made a literal bang at 7% for "IPAs". I can see them doing a 6%er that climbs the APA charts.
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  6. spaceman24

    spaceman24 Initiate (0) Oct 7, 2008 Texas

    Schlafly Dry Hopped APA is terrific.
  7. ChloeJMK

    ChloeJMK Initiate (0) Apr 4, 2016 Michigan

    I like Sierra Nevada Pale ale a lot but I enjoy drinking Founders All Day IPA. It's the only session beer I drink.
  8. Hoos78

    Hoos78 Aspirant (272) Mar 3, 2015 Ohio

    2 locals...Revolution Fist City and Brickstone APA.
  9. hopnado

    hopnado Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2014 Michigan

    I do enjoy a good pale ale but 9 times out of 10 I'm gonna choose an IPA like Two hearted, Centennial, 60 minute, Inversion, or 51k over SNPA. I like hops and a beefier abv without constantly pissing
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  10. Urk1127

    Urk1127 Poo-Bah (1,847) Jul 2, 2014 New Jersey

    My favorite is Porkslap. I miss butternuts, come back please. :slight_frown:
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  11. BenwayPHD

    BenwayPHD Initiate (0) Sep 4, 2014 California

    Alesmith 394 is one hell of a delicious Pale. Ballast Point Grunion is another of my favorites (until they decide to ruin it by jamming it up with 6 different fruit variants). I am also a fan of the Stone Pale 2.0. It doesn't get much love, but I think it is unique and an improvement upon their first pale.
  12. jesskidden

    jesskidden Poo-Bah (2,143) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    IPA's only starting outselling PA's to become the most popular "craft" beer style around 2011. Was only about two years or so before that that the best selling IPA was Redhook Longhammer - pretty much simply because it was so widely distributed via the AB wholesale network.

    Now I realize that the current "craft beer" culture, 5 years is a long time, but compared to the run that adjunct lager and then light beer have had in the overall US beer market, it is not very impressive. Seems to me, if one doesn't care to drink the current "best selling" beer style - whether it is IPA, Adjunct lager, Light beer, etc. - it's relatively easy to find an alternative choice (more so today than every before in the US).
  13. cavedave

    cavedave Poo-Bah (2,979) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Hmmm, I see pretty much the opposite more likely to happen. Right now the world is discovering American Style IPA, and it is likely, at least to someone like me who is unquestionably biased, that they will like them as much as do we. Germany, the world's number one hop grower, is planting new fruity varieties, and even in that traditional-style beer loving country folks are discovering the beauty that is American style IPA. In fact, I would be greatly surprised if the blurry line between IPA and Pale Ale didn't continue to become even blurrier than it is now. I picture the world craze for American IPA continuing for quite a while, and to feature using increasing quantities of new varieties of hops in massively late addition and dry hopped beers. I picture Pale Ale being made increasingly to mimic rather than set itself apart.
    Dale's Pale Ale is an IPA. I rest my case.
  14. jmasher85

    jmasher85 Initiate (0) Mar 27, 2015 Maryland

    More likely, I see the distinction becoming more like that between stouts and porters - historically significant but practically indistinguishable. Half the APAs I drink are as strong and hoppy or more so than IPAs. The other half (obviously) are less so. What's the difference? Where's the line? Just start calling them Hoppy Pale Ales and make our lives easier.
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    THANAT0PSIS Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2010 Wisconsin

    I really don't think APA is the next big style. Lagers are coming back in a big way, and I couldn't be happier.

    Good APAs that you didn't mention are Spiteful Alley Time, New Glarus Moon Man, any Mikerphone APA, Trillium Fort Point, Karben4 Tokyo Sauna and Dragon Flute.
  16. papposilenus

    papposilenus Poo-Bah (1,680) Jun 21, 2014 New Hampshire

    I'm not sure there's a any kind of kashrut that dictates what's an IPA and what's an APA. It's basically the same process and the same beer, a spectrum where the APA indicator is slid a little more toward the malty left and IPA a little more toward the hoppy right. Marketing determines where the division is between them and what goes on the label.

    That said, I always enjoy a Smuttynose Shoals Pale Ale.
  17. EnronCFO

    EnronCFO Zealot (553) Mar 29, 2007 Massachusetts

    Not something I ever thought I'd read on this site.

    For me it's SN Pale Ale, NG Moon Man, and Daisy Cutter. Hits across the spectrum of drinkability, balance, and hop kick when fresh. Trillium's Fort Point is one of my all time favorites, but I consider it an IPA.
  18. dennis3951

    dennis3951 Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2008 New Jersey

    I don't think there is going to be a "next-it-beer-style". IPA's may become less popular but no one style will replace it.
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  19. Squire

    Squire Poo-Bah (2,416) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    I think they're both here to stay.
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  20. BalancingBrooms

    BalancingBrooms Meyvn (1,333) Aug 22, 2013 Illinois

    Maine Brewing Co: A Tiny Beautiful Something
    Two Brothers: Sidekick
    FW: Pale 31
    MT: Oneida
    NG: Moon Man

    Not sure if pale ales are going to be as popular as IPAs, but now that I've been seeking them out more often over the years I've realized I've been missing out
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  21. zid

    zid Meyvn (1,265) Feb 15, 2010 New York

    I didn't realize that those in Information Technology all drank the same thing.
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  22. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois

    Very well played, Zid.
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  23. MacMalt

    MacMalt Poo-Bah (4,538) Jan 28, 2015 New Jersey
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    Westbrook One Claw is a very good APA.
  24. tillmac62

    tillmac62 Initiate (0) Oct 2, 2013 South Carolina

  25. elucas730

    elucas730 Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2010 New York

    Where'd they go?

  26. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Poo-Bah (3,347) May 13, 2011 North Carolina
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    I could drink Grunion all day every day for years before I got sick of it.
  27. nc41

    nc41 Poo-Bah (2,677) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I don't think APs will be "it , I just don't. I do see a resurgence in lager and Pils, it's a better separation in styles than PAs is to IPAs.
  28. Squire

    Squire Poo-Bah (2,416) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    I think it's all gonna grow, frankly.
  29. marquis

    marquis Champion (802) Nov 20, 2005 England

    Stouts and Porters were always indistinguishable , Stout was simply the name given to the stronger Porters.Same hops, same grain bill, just less water in the brewing.
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  30. elucas730

    elucas730 Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2010 New York

    Pale Ales are certainly not going to be a top tier "It" beer like Double IPAs, barrel aged stouts, or gueuze. I could see it as a second tier "It" beer like Session IPAs over the past couple years or Black IPAs before that.
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  31. steve419

    steve419 Initiate (113) Apr 7, 2011 New York

    Bronx American pale ale
  32. Brolo75

    Brolo75 Initiate (0) Aug 10, 2013 California

    I wouldn't agree that American Pale Ales are the next it beer but I will say that there are some that have a hop presence more akin to an IPA. According to my ratings, here are my top APA's
    1. Zombie Dust
    2. Deschutes Mirror Pond Pale Ale
    3. Deschutes Red Chair NWPA
    4. Alesmith .394 Pale Ale
    5. Ballast Point Grunion
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  33. TriggerFingers

    TriggerFingers Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2012 California

    Meet the new boss...

    Same as the old boss.

    Allow me to introduce: Sierra Nevada Pale Ale.
  34. TriggerFingers

    TriggerFingers Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2012 California

    Aside from SNPA....

    My top Pales are as follows:

    RR Row 2 Hill 56
    Alesmith .394
    OB Dale's Pale
    FW Pale 31
    Stone Pale Ale (the original version, not 2.0)
  35. eldoctorador

    eldoctorador Crusader (797) Dec 12, 2014 Chile

    I imagine the "American" adjective in American Pale Ale denotes the abundant use of hops. How do people call non-hoppy pale ales anymore?
  36. elucas730

    elucas730 Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2010 New York

    English Pale Ale of course :grinning:
  37. mrchrisray

    mrchrisray Initiate (0) May 14, 2013 Ohio

    Maine Brew Co's MO and Pipework's Lizard King are my favs.
  38. swfeidt

    swfeidt Initiate (119) Jul 14, 2012 Pennsylvania

    I think pale ales are probably my favorite style. Some of my favorites that are readily available in my area . . .

    Lagunitas New Dog Town
    Daisy Cutter
    DC Brau the public
  39. twizzard

    twizzard Initiate (0) May 11, 2013 New York

    Besides Trillium? Lizard King & Grunion.
  40. PhilsPils

    PhilsPils Disciple (300) Feb 11, 2010 Texas

    Karbach WEEKEND WARRIOR. IMO, one of the better APA's out there. I dare anyone to try a side-by-side with SNPA (which, after all these years, is still a benchmark beer).
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