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The Averagely Perfect American IPA Project

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by VikeMan, Jan 4, 2013.

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  1. VikeMan

    VikeMan Meyvn (1,344) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I have an idea to test the Wisdom of Crowds theory in a recipe development process. This will be a major twist on the usual 'critique my recipe' post, because no recipe exists at the beginning, but there will be one at the end, based on quantitative user input.

    At each step along the way of recipe development, I will post a poll question, the results of which will decide a recipe parameter(s), ingredient(s), or process. Once a result is locked in, it can't be changed. As the recipe builds, each new question will be considered in the context of the recipe. Everyone will be asked to vote on each new poll based on creating the best possible American IPA, given the decisions that have already been made.

    I acknowledge up front that the order I ask the questions will (unintentionally) influence the results, due to the fact that votes will be influenced by the context of the decisions the group has already made. I also acknowledge that I will not be asking any questions potentially leading to a recipe that can't be brewed on my system.

    At the end of all this, we'll have a group recipe, which I (at least) will brew. I'm very interested to see if the Wisdom of Crowds will result in something exceptional. Stay tuned.
     
  2. OddNotion

    OddNotion Devotee (478) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    Cool idea, I will participate and potentially brew this beer as well. Is there any interest in having a few of us brew the beer around the same date and exchanging between each other as a BA collective recipe?
     
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  3. leedorham

    leedorham Crusader (701) Apr 27, 2006 Washington

    That's way too much crystal. Also, get rid of the 30 minute addition, move it to flameout, and double your dry hops.
     
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  4. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Disciple (346) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    Also make sure you are using a SS brew pot and don't cross the streams.

    I vote in the affirmative that you begin posting poll questions.
     
  5. OddNotion

    OddNotion Devotee (478) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    How about the use of Citra for bittering?
     
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  6. mountsnow1010

    mountsnow1010 Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2009 Vermont

    I would also like to brew the result.
     
  7. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Initiate (0) May 21, 2010 Texas

    I might well brew this one too, depending on how the recipe looks. Always looking for a good IPA recipe :grinning:
     
  8. CBlack85

    CBlack85 Crusader (703) Jul 12, 2009 South Carolina
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    I may brew this batch as well. Will be interested in seeing how this plays out
     
  9. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    Ugh... Some of the responses to that are always f*cking ridiculous. That and the whole FWH paper.
     
  10. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    But what about the Glycosides, bro?
     
  11. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Initiate (0) May 21, 2010 Texas

    You could FWH with crystal, bitter with fuggles and hallertau, then late hop with warrior and magnum. :grimacing:
     
  12. MADhombrewer

    MADhombrewer Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2008 Oregon

    Sounds like fun.
     
  13. NiceFly

    NiceFly Aspirant (275) Dec 22, 2011 Tajikistan

    I am in.
    This will probably turn into a train wreck, but you can punch my ticket. All Aboard!
     
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  14. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Initiate (0) May 21, 2010 Texas

    Most of us have brewed it before then. :rolling_eyes:
     
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  15. yinzer

    yinzer Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2006 Pennsylvania

    Just so everything is metric. :stuck_out_tongue:

    Sounds like fun and I'm game.

    How will the logistics work out? Will each decision be a new thread? Maybe some of the workings should be off of BA.
     
  16. jlpred55

    jlpred55 Initiate (0) Jul 26, 2006 Iowa

    Agreed- I'm in and will brew the recipe- hope it doesn't suck
     
  17. mountsnow1010

    mountsnow1010 Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2009 Vermont

    So, where is the first poll? I'm stoked to start!
     
  18. VikeMan

    VikeMan Meyvn (1,344) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Yes. Each decsion wil be a new poll, open for 3 days. Long enough for those interested to be able to vote, but short enough to get us on to the next decision.
     
  19. VikeMan

    VikeMan Meyvn (1,344) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Later tonight.
     
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  20. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Initiate (0) May 21, 2010 Texas

    Captain, I cannae hold it any longer! :rolling_eyes:
     
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  21. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Crusader (717) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    don't forget the aglycone for that mmm-good kettle hop flavor : )
     
  22. Hotmetal1

    Hotmetal1 Aspirant (286) Feb 28, 2012 Mississippi
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    Cool, I'm in also.
     
  23. samtallica

    samtallica Initiate (108) Jul 22, 2010 North Carolina

    I'm down to brew it and swap with a few people if they're interested.
     
  24. MRsojourner

    MRsojourner Initiate (0) Dec 28, 2011 Massachusetts

  25. geneseohawk

    geneseohawk Initiate (0) Nov 4, 2008 Illinois

  26. Mattreinitz

    Mattreinitz Initiate (0) Mar 1, 2012 New York

    I'll brew it too
     
  27. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Aspirant (270) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia

    Is WoC any different from CW? b/c conventional wisdom so often turns out to be an anything but wisdom.
    If everyone is thinking the same...then everyone is not thinking.

    That said...count me in.
     
  28. Boonedog

    Boonedog Initiate (0) Apr 10, 2013 Illinois

    Brewed this 3 weeks ago. Bottled a week ago and just tried my first one. Wow wow wow..

    My buddy thought it was a lil sumpin...

    Awesome. Thanks to everyone who contributed to this recipe. Best beer I have brewed!
     
  29. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Meyvn (1,066) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Hey Vikeman, isn't it the season for the APA porter/stout?
     
  30. heyduke

    heyduke Initiate (161) Jan 14, 2011 Colorado
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    Where is the recipe?
     
  31. VikeMan

    VikeMan Meyvn (1,344) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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  32. od_sf

    od_sf Aspirant (265) Nov 2, 2010 California

    VikeMan, are we doing this again in 2014, but a different style?
     
  33. VikeMan

    VikeMan Meyvn (1,344) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Maybe, if people are up for it. Most of the suggestions I've seen scattered around have been for something in the stout family.
     
  34. pweis909

    pweis909 Poo-Bah (1,609) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I think many dark styles could be interesting. If enough people brewed dark milds, that might be fun, but I'm guessing Imperial Stout is the one that would generate the greatest interest.

    The easiest dark one would be Averagely Perfect Black IPA -- start with the results of APAIPA and add two questions -- which huskless dark grain and how much? Minimal work for the pollster (who won't be me).
     
  35. NiceFly

    NiceFly Aspirant (275) Dec 22, 2011 Tajikistan

    @pweis909 I like the idea of Dark Mild. I would like to brew more of them but I do not know much about the style.

    Black IPA:grimacing:! Holy can of worms, Batman!

    Edit: maybe the first poll should be what style to brew?
     
  36. sjverla

    sjverla Devotee (490) Dec 1, 2008 Massachusetts

    Count me in for a dark (or light) style! Dark mild would be supreme as I'm likely to brew more milds anyway and am always on the hunt for inspiration. I'm sure and RIS would probably get a little more collective interest, but it's not something I'm interested in right now. And I work in marketing, so brewing is my chance to do what I want - demographics be damned!

    Edit: A sub-project of my brewing is to explore the possibilities of American Milds - UK-style mild/session beers brewed with American hops, grains, etc. At any rate, there's at least one very interested party...
     
  37. DubbelMan

    DubbelMan Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2009 New York

    Dark mild is a great style. I have made a few. Good cold weather session beers!

    Cheers!
     
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  38. PortLargo

    PortLargo Devotee (470) Oct 19, 2012 Florida

    Now that's a good (democratic) idea . . . what say ye "Man of the Norse Country"?

    I personally would like to see a Belgian style, lots of creative potential in a very drinkable beer.
     
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  39. VikeMan

    VikeMan Meyvn (1,344) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    That's a good idea. I'll get a pre-poll up today to determine the basic style, followed by one to determine sub-style. Not enough slots in a poll to do it all in one shot. But there are some styles that won't be included, either because they would exclude too may brewers or because they are not really discrete styles (i.e. could be based on any base style). Exclusions will be Lagers/'Hybrids'/Sours/Fruit Beers/Spiced etc./Smoked/Specialty. Stay tuned.
     
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  40. NiceFly

    NiceFly Aspirant (275) Dec 22, 2011 Tajikistan

    Even a broken clock is right twice a day! Cheers.
     
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