The more beers I review, the less critical my ratings seem.

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  1. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,708) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    I'm quickly approach 1000 different beers reviewed/ticked. It seems like the last couple hundred, I'm being much more generous on my ratings and liking/tolerating most beers. It seems that the more experienced you get, you would expect to be more critical since sample size has grown. I'm doing the opposite.

    My theory is my pallet can tolerate and enjoy all of the varieties, styles, flavors more now than when I was first starting out. Those bitter IPAs are smooth now. The Old Ales/Barleywines don't taste like cough syrup anymore. Sours don't make me pucker but I now crave the horse blanket! Most beers I revisit that I have rated well below a 4 previously, I seem to enjoy more and would re-rate it at least a high 3 or low 4. Anyone else seem to trend this way or am I opposite of the norm? Just wondering.
     
  2. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,721) May 13, 2011 North Carolina
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    Your deductions are correct. I'm only 20 reviews away from 1000 and not only have I become more generous with my scoring but I also have become less in-depth with my analyses. My reviews used to be paragraphs for each section, now they're just a sentence or two for each.
     
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  3. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,553) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    It's no secret that the more good beer you consume over the long term, the more easy-going in general you become.
    Relax, don't worry, have a homebrew.
     
  4. GarthDanielson

    GarthDanielson Initiate (0) Nov 6, 2010 Virginia

    Yeah man, I'm 2k+, and I have found the same thing. I agree that the palate becomes more rounded, but I also believe that as you taste more brews you become a better judge of beers before you even try them. There becomes a selectiveness that I think we all develop alongside our palates, and it allows us the ability to avoid the possible turds, whereas when we started it was possible to just try to up the numbers. Also, I (optimistically) believe that brewers, on the whole, are improving, which would also explain the uptick in ratings. Regardless, ratings are subjective, so don't be too hard on yourself in these matters. Cheers!
     
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  5. BeRightBock

    BeRightBock Zealot (629) Apr 27, 2007 New York

    Age and experience equals wisdom...and higher cholesterol.
     
  6. dar482

    dar482 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,039) Mar 9, 2007 New York
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    That's strange because I almost feel the opposite after 1000 reviews. The most noticeable is that I've become very finicky about my hoppy beers. I used to really enjoy Founders Centennial and now I find it too malt driven for me. Double Trouble is not enough fruit forward and too bitterness driven.

    I've started to give beers lower ratings than before because of the fact I've tried so many beers, I start gauging things in perspective, as in what I used to give a 95 on BA might now be a 92.

    Then again, from beginning to now, I still find hefeweizens and witbier slightly bland (even though I spent my early drinking years loving them). I still dislike that woody, earthy flavor in many American Barleywines. Even then, I wouldn't say I dislike those styles.
     
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  7. reaganrvltn

    reaganrvltn Pundit (793) May 24, 2014 Georgia

    You would think over time the opposite would happen.
     
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  8. T6PP

    T6PP Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2014 Massachusetts

    I have started to give short reviews and I am no where near that many reviews. To me it just seems like it is not worth to put in the effort to write a paragraph where it will be buried over time by other reviews. I normally just check the scores and read 1 or 2 reviews anyway, I don't take the time to go page to page.
     
  9. Brenden

    Brenden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,412) Feb 25, 2008 Ohio
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    As long as you're legitimately putting thought into reviews. There are some that are very poorly done regardless of subjectivity. You have to wonder what someone's thought process is when they clearly say one thing and rate another. "This beer smells pretty good. The taste isn't bad. It's kind of flat but not too much. 5/5"
     
  10. Redneckwine

    Redneckwine Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2013 Washington

    Your experience makes sense to me, though I haven't reviewed or ticked anywhere near 1000 brews. To me, it just seems like you're a true beer lover and appreciate beer in all of it's many forms. I think that's pretty awesome.

    It seems that many folks review beer styles that they don't even enjoy in the first place, which is pretty damn pointless if you ask me. I'd think that someone in your position would actually be creating more fair and valuable reviews as long as you're not letting your love of beer completely cloud your ability to be critical and objective.
     
  11. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,451) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Although I don't do a lot a detailed reviews I know that as time has gone on I have become more forgiving of beers in some ways in less forgiving in other ways, so I think it's a bit of a wash.
     
  12. utopiajane

    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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    I think it can be artful and well done both ways. The long and very detailed review or a shorter one paragraph. I am finding that I want to do shorter reviews the more I drink and once I had to actually try again to meet the 250 word requirement. =)
     
  13. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,708) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    I usually write reviews now for interesting, complex beers that I really liked or brought something very unique to the table and want some words down describing what is was that I liked about it so if I pick it up again I can check my information besides just a score I gave. Others I'll just tick.
     
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  14. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,708) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    I may pull down some of my early rated 5's and 4.75's or higher back when I was a novice reviewer in my first year or 2 on BA, but mostly what I am seeing in the last 6 months to a year is myself giving out a ton of 3.75, 4's and 4.25's as capturing probably 80% of my last 100 beer reviews with a some superstar outlyers above 4.25. Most of my really bad ratings lately have been poor attempts by the macros (Shock Top/Blue Moon variants etc). I just like craft beer alot more now I guess.
     
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  15. Ieatlambfries

    Ieatlambfries Maven (1,332) Dec 5, 2003 New Jersey

    It's not pointless when you consider ratings are really supposed to be done against the style. Not strictly personal preference.

    Example: often you see people here say the Bro's are crazy when they give an AAL a decent rating. The reality is they may not love the beer, or choose to drink it ever again. But stacked up against it's style peers, it deserves a good rating.

    Many people here don't even bother to read the beer 101, or beer style guides etc etc... they just base their ratings 100% on whether the beer was pleasing to their palate, or not.

    "Keep style in mind
    Say you don't like light beers. We suggest that you do one of two things: 1) don't review them if you know you already don't like them - your opinion will be tainted. 2) Review with an open mind and for what the beer is trying to be, not what you think the beer should be or pit it against the kick-ass India Pale Ale that you had earlier. It's also important to note that a beery character that you might not like, could be "to style," and shouldn't be deemed a flaw. Example: buttery notes (diacetyl) in a Scotch Ale or ESB, the vinegary sourness in a Lambic, or the intense smokiness in a Rauchbier."
     
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  16. EyePeeAyBryan

    EyePeeAyBryan Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2011 Arizona
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    I was just thinking this exact thing the other day. I felt that I was constantly being too generous and found myself going back and questioning many of my previous reviews.

    I think it also has to do with my drinking and being more critical of what I want to drink rather than just filling my beer hole with literally anything, good and bad. Maybe you've just been drinking better beer from better breweries since you know what to look for...?
     
  17. jayrutgers

    jayrutgers Zealot (711) Oct 29, 2011 New Jersey

    I haven't reviewed every beer I've had but my count is well over 1,000 by now.

    I think what happens is after a while a lot of your pretenses kind of fall away and you just learn to appreciate beer for what it is rather than what it isn't.

    Hell right now my favorite beer to drink is New Belgium Snapshot, rocking an out of this world 79 on this site. But man is it delicious.

    Five years ago I would have said it's too simple instead of just loving it for the clean flavors followed up with some light tartness, perfect for summer.
     
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  18. Redneckwine

    Redneckwine Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2013 Washington

    You just reinforced my point of the pointlessness that is reviewing a style that you already know you don't enjoy. Again, if you can't rate it to style and let your personal preferences dominate, then your review is worthless to others who might like the style ("tainted").

    For instance, I don't rate AAL's because I don't like them: my bias would taint a review of a potentially "great" AAL so it is best to refrain. A man has got to know his limits.
     
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  19. busternuggz

    busternuggz Initiate (0) Mar 9, 2008 California

    A couple other possible factors come to mind. One, you may be self-selecting better beer or beers more in line with your taste now. The higher ratings over time may also be similar to the phenomenon of "score creep" slam poets talk about, where judges start out scoring conservatively at the beginning of the slam but they tend to go up as the night goes on.

    Looking over my history, I have a fairly stable pattern of rating a lot of beers higher than average while rating BA favorites lower than average (like Storm King, Pliny, Backwoods Bastard). Take that status quo!
     
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  20. kell50

    kell50 Pooh-Bah (2,334) Jul 25, 2007 North Carolina
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    Your ratings/reviews are probably becoming more generous due to the fact that you are focusing your time drinking quality beers that YOU enjoy. Your palate is refined. :slight_smile:
     
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