The problem of the good IPA

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by drgarage, Nov 16, 2012.

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  1. pvllbum

    pvllbum Initiate (0) Sep 4, 2007 Illinois

    Im sure someone else said this but kinda skimmed through I will break up my beers and not drink styles back to back...keep it mixed up.
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  2. flayedandskinned

    flayedandskinned Initiate (0) Jan 1, 2011 California
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    I tried Celebration tonight... so disappointed.
  3. HarrySTruman

    HarrySTruman Initiate (0) May 16, 2012 Michigan

    I'm disappointed in your post. How's that for "balance"?
  4. DonDirkA

    DonDirkA Initiate (0) Dec 14, 2011 Arizona

    My thinking exactly. Thats why when I do my DIPA homebrew soon its gonna have about 22 oz of hops for the 5 gallon brew, which'll be a basic "nothing special" pale ale base. I want it to be 100% about the hoppy hops awesomeness.
  5. flayedandskinned

    flayedandskinned Initiate (0) Jan 1, 2011 California
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    How cute.

    Seriously i dont know why this is so highly lauded. I hardly get any hops in the nose, maybe its just a bad bottle or something.
  6. jacewg

    jacewg Defender (616) Jan 7, 2012 District of Columbia

    Yes! This. Just..this.
  7. raynmoon

    raynmoon Crusader (743) Aug 13, 2011 Colorado
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    again... When it comes to world class beers, none is better than the other, only preference over preference.

    Celebration Ale is absolutely world class, and so is PtE, and a bunch of others. Doesn't mean one is better than the other. Just taste preference.

    To me....Sierra Nevada rocks those Cascade hops, I cannot taste much else in their beers anymore haha.
  8. Longstaff

    Longstaff Initiate (0) May 23, 2002 Massachusetts

    A particular beer will never be something it's not. If you area looking for Celebration to be a modern day hop bomb, you will be sorely disappointed.
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  9. cavedave

    cavedave Poo-Bah (2,414) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    IPA with more hoppy flavor is definitely the preferred way Americans enjoy it. You put the cart before the horse in your post. Brewers brew IPA's in America extremely hop forward because that is how the majority of us like it, and what sells.

    And as for your contention about what the style is or is not, IPA has no such definition, as it has been everything from a mild to a rip-off-your-face hop attack since first it was brewed, and that holds true today in this country and every.
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  10. jhartley

    jhartley Poo-Bah (2,426) Aug 22, 2010 Florida
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    It all depends on what you are drinking and when. IMO you can't mix too many different IPA's at one time, your palate just can't handle it, and you may really miss out on a great or world class or awesome (insert adjective here) beer in the process.
  11. shuggy

    shuggy Initiate (138) Dec 22, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    My problem with the good IPA is that there isn't nearly enough of them. Especially where I live. For every one worth drinking there is 500 that aren't.
  12. fujindemon74

    fujindemon74 Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2012 Pennsylvania

  13. aaronanderson

    aaronanderson Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2012 Michigan

    To me a world class beer is any beer that makes you say "holy shit that's good beer",and then you tell everybody you see about it.
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  14. jcanddr

    jcanddr Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2009 California

    my butler is very very sneeky !
  15. BedetheVenerable

    BedetheVenerable Meyvn (1,023) Sep 5, 2008 Missouri

    Which is one of the things that turned me off to whale (or even quasi-whale) hunting. For me, one of 3 things would happen when trying the 'world-class" brews. Once in awhile, they'd be truly mind-bogglingly good. More often, they were ok, but I felt as if I'd been let down in a huge way. Thirdly, the whole chase and the idea that I want ONLY to drink the 'best' (whatever that means) beers kind of ruined beer for me, and made me forget what I got into it for in the first place. Give me good solid regulars, with a few new/exciting brews, and the rare "For f%cks sake, that just rocked my world, but I'm not going to go out and search for 10 more to cellar" beers, and I'm a much happier man.
  16. HenrikO

    HenrikO Initiate (0) Jun 19, 2011 Sweden

    Yep. If the worst thing that happens to you today is that you have a "just OK" beer, you've still had a good day.
  17. cartoonshop

    cartoonshop Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2011 Rhode Island

    this is also known as " heady topper before a pliny" syndrome. i could have just had the pliny that night, and would have loved the taste. however, drinking the HT first raped my palate, and my taste buds were busy taking a shower with a wire brush.
  18. SunDevilBeer

    SunDevilBeer Zealot (555) May 9, 2003 Massachusetts

    The problem with good IPA's (in bottles) is that they are mostly neglected in the supply chain & are stale by the time they get to customers through neglectful distributors & half-assed retailers. Sorry but I don't agree with some brewers that their IPA's are good for 6 months...more like 6 WEEKS for me.

    This is solved by having a draft of said IPA at a bar, but that's way more costly & I'm at my wits end dealing with the nonsense at modern-day beer bars (pretentious servers, short pours & high prices).
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  19. VncentLIFE

    VncentLIFE Meyvn (1,417) Feb 16, 2011 North Carolina
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    and avoid White Rajah. Head Hunter is just sooo much better.
  20. CerealKillerKP

    CerealKillerKP Initiate (0) May 24, 2009 Kentucky

    Celebration 2012 is very malt forward. Torpedo is a much better IPA offering
  21. WeaponTheyFear

    WeaponTheyFear Aspirant (240) Mar 9, 2008 Connecticut

    I've learned perception of taste is largely dependent upon what you have had recently. Tonight I drank a growler of NEBC Ghost Pigeon Porter, then poured a couple ounces of homebrew oatmeal stout. I tasted a lot of chocolate covered banana flavor that I have no tasted previously. I think poured a little of homebrew IPA and it tasted hoppier than it did a couple weeks ago because I had been drinking sweeter beers previously. Not only does the Lulipin threshold exist, previous beers/foods matter as well.

    THANAT0PSIS Crusader (729) Aug 3, 2010 Wisconsin
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    Like another BA said, IPAs can be objectively unbalanced. Certainly, you're right that it is, on the large scale, subjective, but, as with any rule, there are exceptions. Ruination is absolutely not subjectively unbalanced; the fact that it is unbalanced in the direction of hoppiness is the entire selling point and the meaning behind the name. DFH's Minute trilogy are imbalanced in the direction of being malt-forward.

    Also, discussions are subjective by nature as well. You know going into a discussion with anyone that they are going to give you their subjective opinion. You know that someone else saying something is balanced doesn't necessarily mean it will be balanced to your palate. Thus, there is no need to retire the word "balance" or any word from any type of discussion. It is what it is, and if you'd like further clarification on a subjective matter, you can always ask for it.
  23. nc41

    nc41 Poo-Bah (1,521) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Very true, and the key word is balanced. Too much malt and you get a DIPA that IMO is too sweet; ie. Maharaja. Hit it right and you get really great brews like HT/PTE/Kern Citra and so on. I've also had hop juice, not enough malt and it's overbearingly bitter, with no real flavor that IMO is undrinkable. Foothills makes Baby Jade, and a Papa Jade that fits this to a T. Baby Jade was an accident they forgot to add the proper bags of malt, so it turned into a "session" IPA at 3.8%ABV that is way to bitter to enjoy. A very high yuck factor.
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  24. fmccormi

    fmccormi Meyvn (1,330) Oct 24, 2010 California
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    Just building off of some other pro-malt / -balance comments here, I fully appreciate both sides to this argument. I much, much prefer a "balanced" IPA, but still crave face-melting hops on some level or another.

    Personally, I think you can have a well-built malt body that doesn't battle or overshadow the hops. The problem is a lot of brewers seem to "balance" hops with caramel and crystal sweetness, hence the polarization over Southern Tier's DIPAs. I think it's entirely possible to have a very dry, but not plain or boring, malt character.

    I like it to be a little biscuity, to have a bit of fruity, lightly tart wheat character, and moderately toasty. This is not the same as being a "malt bomb," but is still capable of balancing an unequivocally hop-forward beer.
  25. JrGtr

    JrGtr Devotee (408) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts

    This may be the first time I've seen FBS referred to as a "session beer"
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  26. Naterobsnyk4

    Naterobsnyk4 Initiate (175) Jan 25, 2012 New York

    Haha comparatively speaking yes.
  27. wrycon

    wrycon Aspirant (270) Apr 22, 2009 Minnesota

    Beer burnout in general is real. If you take time off and then come back to it, you'll appreciate the quality and nuance in any style.

    Hell, you may even taste the triple-hop brewing in Lite.
  28. waddsworth

    waddsworth Initiate (0) Oct 17, 2006 Pennsylvania

    I don't think so. I'm not interested in drinking any style that isn't great, unless constrained by availability. But "great" can change from day to day depending on our physiology and recent experience. For example, I consider Stone IPA to be a very solid brew and would never turn one down. But last week I had one at my parent's house and on that day, in that hour, it was amazing - so much more than I would normally acknowledge.
  29. hudsonvalleyslim

    hudsonvalleyslim Disciple (373) May 29, 2003 Massachusetts

    In My opinion Celebration IS world class.
  30. OTB

    OTB Devotee (419) Sep 2, 2011 California


    Fresh Duet with playoffs today.

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  31. OTB

    OTB Devotee (419) Sep 2, 2011 California


    More fresh Alpine with Matt.

  32. Dennoman

    Dennoman Initiate (0) Aug 20, 2011 Belgium

    I recently cracked a Hop Stoopid and I was seriously impressed. It can sit proudly besides Pliny and Heady without as much as a second thought for me.

    A good IPA has a solid, sweet malt backbone for me. It should seduce me with fresh, floral hops on the nose, make sweet malt love to me and then pucker up and give me a big grapefruit, peach and pineapple kiss in the finish and I really need a girlfriend, apparently.
  33. cmq103

    cmq103 Devotee (467) Dec 13, 2008 New Jersey

    I agree. Hop Stoopid is an outstanding DIPA. I haven't had any of the Pliny's yet, but I'm quite satisfied with the Hop Stoopid availability on the East coast. Pliny does not make it out here in bottle that I could ever find.
  34. Droogins

    Droogins Initiate (0) Sep 4, 2012 Massachusetts

    I read this, and immediately thought of Smuttynose Finest Kind
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  35. fmccormi

    fmccormi Meyvn (1,330) Oct 24, 2010 California
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    Finestkind is a damn good beer. And it is a serious hop bomb, when fresh.
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