The world needs more Dunkel

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  1. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Poo-Bah (1,997) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    I love Georg from them.
     
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  2. Cstamp3084

    Cstamp3084 Initiate (104) May 3, 2020 Maryland
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    I have not tried georg yet. I plan on visiting the brewery again at the end of September. I’m hoping they will have georg on tap then.
     
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  3. wannabekraut

    wannabekraut Initiate (22) Aug 7, 2022

    Dunkel is delicious, but yeah it's not always around. Got lucky with Original Pattern in Oakland brewing a delicious version, but otherwise hard to find. Different beer but staying dark, Vienna Lager is absolutely delicious, I always make sure to buy it when I see it and have found a couple NorCal breweries with a take on it
     
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  4. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (3,001) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Does Jack's Abby still refer to their Red Tape as a Dunkel? It sure seems to fall more in the rotbier category to me.
     
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  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,826) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Michael, they call it an Amber Lager:

    "Red Tape
    Amber Lager
    November - January Release"

    https://jacksabby.com/beers/red-tape/

    Cheers!
     
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  6. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (3,001) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Nice to see that they got that sorted, then :wink::slight_smile:
     
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  7. zid

    zid Poo-Bah (1,818) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Can also has “Dunkel” on it in that link (but the can in the web pic posted earlier in the thread did not).
     
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  8. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Poo-Bah (1,911) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Not all of the German Breweries make malt in house. There are many German Maltsters that most don't know beyond Weyermann. Examples include Best, Ireks, Avangard, Durst, and so on. There are smaller local Maltsters around the country.
     
  9. keithmurray

    keithmurray Poo-Bah (1,804) Oct 7, 2009 Connecticut
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    I only get Von Yrapp Dunkel here, which is pretty good.

    If I'm lucky, I can occasionally see Hofbrau Dunkel or Ayinger Dunkel, but its becoming harder and harder to find those.

    I wish more versions of the style were available to me.
     
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  10. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Poo-Bah (1,997) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    I had the pleasure of drinking this beer on tap. It was potentially a top three Notch beer for me this year. It was well received on the Northeast forums as well (specifically the Notch thread).

    When I first had it I recall it being stellar, and while still good, it just never really hit me the same as before. Maybe it's because I was considering it a Dunkel? I feel like it was darker in the past and has taken on a reddish hue over the years.
     
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  11. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,686) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Can you describe (remember) the character? It was difficult to judge the only one I've ever had, other than easy drinking.
     
  12. Domingo

    Domingo Poo-Bah (2,819) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    This thread just gave me an interesting thought. If dunkel can't seem to catch on by itself, would "India Dark Lager" or "Cold IDA" finally get people excited?
     
  13. jonphisher

    jonphisher Poo-Bah (1,526) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    Cape May collaborated with PA brewery Workhorse to make this one:

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/54022/588648/

    It was awesome and very well made! They marketed it is a cold black ipa

    So I guess a CBIPA…:wink:
     
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  14. FBarber

    FBarber Poo-Bah (6,455) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    That beer was one of the best beers I’ve had in a long time.
     
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  15. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poo-Bah (8,354) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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  16. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,686) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    #136 steveh, Aug 10, 2022
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  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,826) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I enjoyed drinking a draft pint at the Workhorse taproom.

    Cheers!
     
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  18. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poo-Bah (8,354) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    Yeah but, look at all the imports! :wink:
     
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  19. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,686) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    I can separate my own list by countries, but not yours.

    And I'm not going back to start at 4,265 to work back to the "Ms." :wink:
     
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  20. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Poo-Bah (1,997) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    I had two drafts of it, but the second was amidst a bunch of beers, and I don’t recall it being quite as good.

    But that first draft was a few months ago, and I can remember about as much as you. Extremely easy drinking, with a creamy mouthfeel, and malt forward but perhaps not in the same way as a Dunkel. Not as dry if I had to pin it down.

    For some reason “Irish Red” keeps popping up in my head, and I don’t recall if I saw someone use those words somewhere to describe it. I can check back in the Notch forum to see if I or others had more notes.
     
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  21. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Poo-Bah (1,997) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    It’s kind of weird there aren’t more Dunkels. Because I see quite a few Czech Dark Lagers these days, so it’s not as if a dark lager can’t sell.
     
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  22. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,826) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  23. Domingo

    Domingo Poo-Bah (2,819) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    Those are everywhere here, too. In general I think 2021-22 has been all about craft brewers trying to brew Czech styles. Feels like schwarzbier has always been relatively common, too. Something about dunkel must be a turn off, and I don't get it.
     
  24. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,686) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Since most Ami versions I try are closer to Schwarz, even Czech, in character -- it has to be the name. Not sexy enough for today's drinkers?

    Maybe the German translation of München would attract more attention? :wink:
     
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  25. zeff80

    zeff80 Poo-Bah (15,583) Feb 6, 2006 Missouri
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    I'm thankful we have KC Bier Co Dunkel available in Columbia, MO. So great. So sessionable.
     
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  26. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (3,001) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    They're probably more difficult to get 'right' and tend to wind up too sweet and caramelly, so don't really sell. At least an Oktoberfest, with a similar malty character, has a built-in selling point. :wink:
     
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  27. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,686) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    See, my experience is that brewers over-compensate with roasted malt -- I've heard say for color, but they use too much. Turns into Schwarzbier.
    Caramelly Oktoberfest? For shame, doc. :wink:
     
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  28. hopley

    hopley Poo-Bah (1,905) Feb 24, 2010 Massachusetts
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    Looking forward to trolling through this thread and jotting down all the dunkels listed as I’m a big fan! But wanted to mention the following retired beer in the hopes that it might become unretired...

    Weyerbacher Slam Dunkel

    For some reason this did not sell well, and I gobbled up four pack after four pack, again and again, on sale! Could get enough of it. That was years ago. Would love to try it again! If anyone from Weyerbacher is reading this, please bring it back!!
     
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  29. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,826) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  30. hopley

    hopley Poo-Bah (1,905) Feb 24, 2010 Massachusetts
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    Oh my, I won’t! Thanks for the info and what a bummer. Riserva is partly responsible turning me on to sours / wilds way back when at the BA Belgian Fest sour night at Boston’s Cyclorama...and I’m going to have to try to track down an old favorite triple, Merry Monks, just in case, but I digress...

    Cheers!
     
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  31. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (3,001) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Yeah, that's what I was getting at- the over use of roast malt can function as a safety net; but then you haven't made a Munich Dunkel. This is probably why "black lagers" are more common.

    I've had a few attempts at a genuine Dunkel and the sweetness was a big problem.
     
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  32. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (3,001) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Fwiw, I remember that one as a dunkelweizen, not a lager.
     
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  33. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Poo-Bah (1,997) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    @TongoRad maybe if a brewery called their beer a Slam Dunkel like Weyerbacher did and released it during the NBA Finals it would have a built-in selling point?
     
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  34. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,686) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Wait, sometime in March? Now you're rattling my head... :wink:

    Just kidding -- 'cause I know what Märzen really means. :grin:
     
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  35. rgordon

    rgordon Meyvn (1,321) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina

    Red Oak Bavarian Bock serves my dark beer fancy just fine.
     
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  36. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,686) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    But that's Bock (assuming), not a Munich Dunkel.

    There's just something more elegant and sublime about a Munich Dunkel compared to a Traditional Bock.
     
  37. rgordon

    rgordon Meyvn (1,321) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina

    It's just their really good dark beer that works well for me. I always liked Einbecker Dunkel quite a bit but I've not seen it in some time. So......
     
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  38. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,686) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    That's another one that walks a line -- they have so many Bocks, but I don't remember a true Dunkel.

    Then again, they're not in Bavaria, so I snub them. :wink:
     
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  39. rgordon

    rgordon Meyvn (1,321) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina

    OK. It's definitely a good beer and Eastern Guilford County is a virtual light year from Bamberg, but it works. I take what I can get and I'm no stickler for definitions and appellations. I'm an internationalist.
     
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  40. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (3,001) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    I grabbed some Freising thanks to this thread, and it's damn near perfect for me. Lots of toasted pumpernickel and dried fruit (raisin, figs), starts malty and finishes dry, full flavored but not overbearing. Needless to say, but I'm enjoying the hell out of these at the moment :sunglasses::beers: