Thiolized Yeast Adventures

That beer 'reads' tasty. You have quite a bit going on there with spices/flavor additions along with the hopping (will you also dry hop?). Do you think you will be able to distinguish what the thiolized yeast is 'bringing to the party' with all of the other ingredients?

Cheers!

 

OK, you have sorta a 'baseline' here.

I will be interested to hear your thoughts about this beer. Sounds like an interesting 'exBEERiment' to me.

Cheers!

P.S. Have you had a Belgian Witbeer (e.g., commercially brewed) that was made with Sansho prior to you brewing it?

 

Capri is not a thiolized yeast. Imperial is an all organic company, pretty sure they can’t sell gene edited yeasts.

I believe it’s just a hybrid of a a Kviek yeast and London 3.

With Omegas new thiolized yeasts that use the Pat B gene mod (Helio gazer, Star Party, Lunar Crush) you don’t need to do anything to promote Thiol content in the wort, if anything you need to reduce it. These yeasts release an insane amount of thiols from the malt and honestly it’s too much. Yeah there is white wine, grapefruit, and guava but there’s also tons of pencil eraser and other weird sulfur compounds.

Blending these yeasts with a standard ale or lager yeast and supplementing the grain bill with a bunch of wheat or oats to reduce malt based thiol precursors is what I’d recommend.

Or just use Cosmic Punch.

 

Don't know about thiolized yeasts. Wanted to get one. Didn't know they were gene-edited. Following the adventures!

 

You might enjoy reading this:

https://beerandbrewing.com/your-guide-to-thiolized-yeast/

Cheers!

 

I am! Thanks

 

I now have Omega's Star Party and the dried Sauvignon Blanc Grape powder, AKA the thiol precursors.

It's supposed to be like their Ale yeast and clear out.

Should I just make a SMASH with Amarillo? Maybe with Pilsner malt, or throw in some Honey malt too? I hope this would be a good place to start with this new yeast.

 

I'm running a 14 oz test batch with Omega's Star Party. It got going already and it smells of intense honey. This is new. I was reading that a normal starter wouldn't be very telling because of the unique GMO activities it does to free up the flavorful and aromatic compounds known as thiols. While a DME starter will have some of those, a real hopped beer would be way better.

OG 1.052
Simpsons Golden Promise (94.4%)
Dingemans Special B (3.7%)
Flaked Barley (1.9%)

IBU 40
Centennial (10.5 AA) at 60 mins
Mandarina Bavaria at (8.5 AA) 20 mins
Centennial (10.5 AA) at 5 mins

 

The last (and first) mash hopped batch using Helio Gazer is still holding up to my original comments in the "What are you brewing" thread. The bottled version of that batch has remained fruitier than the kegged DH'd version still after about 3-4 weeks.

I plan to brew another batch in a few weeks, and plan to skip the DH'ing in the keg to see if that was what reduced the fruitiness in the last batch. I have a feeling it has to do more with the yeast sediment in the bottle than the DH'ing, but we'll see.

@wasatchback I also noticed the increased sulfur with this yeast, you can easily detect it during fermentation but is practically imperceptible in the finished beer.

@MrOH are you near Malta NY? or the country? if NY, I'll be up that way in a couple of weeks. I'd be happy to share some Helio Gazer with you. I saved a few bottles of slurry from the last batch. I plan to use one in my next batch, but I won't need the other bottle so you are welcome to it. BM me if you would like some.

 

@Naugled I had someone tell me that their 2nd generation Helio gazer did not turn out well. I’m not sure what the issue was though. Have you repitched it yet?

 

Not yet, I plan to brew in a couple of weeks. I'll keep you posted once I do.

 

After listening to numerous podcasts concerning dry hopping in thiolized yeasts, I suspect you are right to remove the keg addition to retain more juicy, fruity hop flavor. The vegetal matter in the hop is sucking up more and more those thiols over time.

 

That might be worth an experiment.
Maybe in my next batch I'll DH 5 gal in the keg, then move half of it to a smaller keg without the vegetal matter. I could then compare the two kegs over a few weeks to see how they compare.