Three Floyds: "Regarding Second Market Dark Lord Sales"

Discussion in 'Great Lakes' started by averagejake872, May 1, 2012.

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  1. theburden

    theburden Initiate (33) Dec 17, 2002 Indiana

    No, what I was thinking was that no DL is distributed outside of the brewery. None. Ergo it's bootlegged to that menu and gouged price wise on top of it.
  2. cpinto6

    cpinto6 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2010 Georgia

    :astonished: When did I say that? Don't interpret shit I don't say. Tickets having a name on them doesn't mean the limit has to be one and that it has to be your name on it. The limit can be w/e number FFF wants it to be per transaction and you can type the name for the tickets you buy at the checkout so you can buy a ticket for whoever the hell you want provided you know their name...which eBayers/scalpers don't know the name of the person they'll be profiting off of in the future:wink:
  3. cpinto6

    cpinto6 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2010 Georgia

    Bootlegged sure you're right gouge priced:astonished:. Again its in line with the markups you can expect at a bar. If you go out drinking no matter what beer it is you find there's gonna be the same type of markup on it. Gouging would be if they charged 100 just because of how popular it is. They're charging according to their business model which is a certain markup for all beers over the price they paid for them. Doesn't matter if they paid the price to the distributor or the brewery itself.
  4. AlexHouston

    AlexHouston Initiate (160) May 19, 2011 Illinois
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    I'm not opposed to the idea of non-transferable tickets, since I've had to deal with having my name on tickets before to justify going to an event. I guess the question is if the tradeoff of getting rid of scalpers worth it to the Floyds if it also prevents people from legitimitely needing to sell the ticket in cases of emergency. My guess is it isn't, so they will continue having the tickets separated by time with no names attached.

    If they did go with non-transferables, however, I think you have to cut the ticket number in half, have slightly less raffle numbers and have more DL variants on tap in the pub that the event could still be worth it to many, many beer geeks. Then again, I'm sure that the event would be worth it to just as many people if it was a pick up only sort of thing.

    A bigger cocern in reality is the line cutting. When I made a trade around the midpoint of the day, I met my partner by the exit of the bar where people just got done buying Dark Lord. I'm sure that I had to go through a clusterfuck of people that was the result of having nearly three lines merging (merchandise, guiest drafts and DL sales). Undoubtedly, the Floyds can get volunteers who can keep line-jumping to a minimum so those who have been waiting some time for their bottles don't get undercut by others. I say this as a guy who feels guilty about doing it myself, though also as a victim of having it done to me.

    And finally, they need to expand the grounds of where this is happening. I find kind of unbelievable that businesses know the event happens and some event permit parking, but wouldn't let the pub set up draft stations or merch or whatever at those locations. There's just too many people trying to squeeze into one tight space and the Floyds has enough notority and money know to make a serious push for a larger, more accomidating space. I feel like it's a change that can realistically happen.
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  5. cpinto6

    cpinto6 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2010 Georgia

    Yea, they would...that's always the downside to non-transferable tickets. I'm not a fabulous problem solver, I'm just saying its a possible solution if they really wanna curb the ticket scalping problem. Either way there's still gonna be an inconvenience for people and its a damned if you do damned if you don't sort of just comes down to priorities. If there was a perfect solution that would make everyone happy we wouldn't be here arguing. There's gonna be a lot of people that would say good job if FFF did what I'm saying and just as many that would bitch if they did. Exactly like how it is now, it would just get rid of most if not all of the scalping if that's high on their priority list.
  6. mjohnson17

    mjohnson17 Devotee (443) Apr 29, 2012 Illinois
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    Do you want to hear a sad story from DLD this year?

    I had tried to buy some Baller Stout at the FFF tent but it was sold out. I happen to see two guys with a great collection of all sorts of rare FFF beers they had purchased at DLD. Between the two of them they had 8 bottles of DL, a BA Vanilla DL, a BA Cognac DL, 6 bottles of Balller, 4 Mutiny and the Mollusk, a couple Behemoths, and a case of ZD. When I approached them to inquire about a trade they laughed and said "no trading, cash only". I wanted a baller pretty bad so I considered paying for it (mind you FFF was selling them for $30/bottle at DLD). So I asked how much and they said $50 was the minimum.
    It's d-bags like these who attend DLD just to turn a profit. I'm sure their entire day's loot is out on ebay now fetching way more than it should. They ruin everything DLD stands for. It was the only dark spot on an otherwise amazing event.
  7. cpinto6

    cpinto6 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2010 Georgia

    That's not the issue at or not, the issue is how FFF feels about it. Something doesn't have to be illegal for a company to wanna curb it and have options to do it quite successfully, in this case non-transferable tickets, though that's not the only way. Any way you can think of though is still gonna have enough supporters to sell out and enough dissenters to bitch about it all day.

    What does unless its involved in the Final 4 mean, I'm curious also what's the super bowl clause?
  8. MasterSki

    MasterSki Site Editor (6,390) Dec 25, 2006 Ontario (Canada)
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    No. They still wouldn't have the appropriate paperwork from the brewery showing that it is for resale. There's a store in San Diego that does this sort of thing with limited Lost Abbey releases (Veritas, etc.) and it's totally illegal.
  9. cpinto6

    cpinto6 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2010 Georgia

    That's cool, so what happens when someone has to resell? They just do it at cost? How is the fair price determined? Or do they just not allow secondary market sales?

    I agree with that totally, I don't hate scalpers, just saying if FFF has something against it they can do something about it. Scalping other shit isn't illegal because there's not enough people interested to make it illegal. There's no reason that it should be illegal for a certain type of event tickets to have scalpers and not other ones except interest. If beer was and beer events were as big as Super Bowl and Final Four then it would probably be illegal too. Its a constant problem everywhere and the people that care about curbing it have been trying to find the best way to deal with it and others have just given up and said fuck it w/e happens happens.

    While I don't hate scalpers, it always makes me happy to see them losing money on their scalping investments. You have no idea how happy it made me to buy tickets from a scalper for a music festival back in march for less than they would've cost me to buy them from the legit event site before it sold out.
  10. danimalarkey

    danimalarkey Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2008 Illinois

    Unless I'm mistaken, no one has suggested that making tickets non-transferable would not reduce scalping/secondary market activity. Rather, it's just a poor move to make; one that would cause all sorts of other hassles that probably outweigh the benefits. Sure, no more scalping for DLD but then the event would be terrible. Huzzah?
  11. cpinto6

    cpinto6 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2010 Georgia

    You say the event would be terrible...a lot of people agree with you and a lot disagree with you. That's the nature of a solution to a problem that doesn't have a perfect solution.
  12. Blanco

    Blanco Devotee (458) Oct 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    Well if you want to speak for your own people you should clarify, be specific and not use the generic term "hispanics" which does not mean you are a citizen of a Latin American country or not American. Tax evasion is not a common practice among the hispanics that I personally know.
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  13. cpinto6

    cpinto6 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2010 Georgia

    I said we tend to wanna bend the rules...and I did clarify you just probably didn't read the other replies to grilch. Tax evasion is not a common practice among hispanics here but in hispanic countries it is. A lot of the justification behind it is that corrupt politicians pocket the tax money instead of using it for the good of the country anyways so why the fuck should we pay for their yachts and ski vacations and planes, etc, etc. I personally know none that live here permanently...I know a shit ton that live in their countries.
  14. trginter

    trginter Aspirant (272) Dec 1, 2008 Michigan
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    I haven't read through all 7 pages, but my Michigan Summer Beer Fest ticket has my name on it. Printed it off from the website.
  15. rt1976

    rt1976 Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2009 Indiana

    If its illegal than there is a legitimate cause for action...

    For others saying it its price gouging, its in line with other craft beers that are usually 3 to 4 times retail...
  16. rt1976

    rt1976 Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2009 Indiana

    Also some of you need to step back and be happy this is what you have to bitch about....its just chose to base your whole existence on it...FFF didn't ask you to do it, and in turn owes you nothing...some folks would love to have your beer budget to feed their kids....
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  17. MasterSki

    MasterSki Site Editor (6,390) Dec 25, 2006 Ontario (Canada)
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    While the markup is on the high side of things, it's not excessive. I'd certainly be willing to pay $40-45 for a beer like Dark Lord at a bar.

    There are a *few* cases where a bar could legally have it for sale. It would involve someone liquidating a personal collection through an in-state distributor, after which it is sold to bar/store. I remember Crown Liquors in Carmel had some Russian River beers for sale that were procured this way. However, the markup was insane, as the cost to the distributor would be retail price (or higher). In any case, the store/bar and distributor would have supporting documents.
  18. Gritch

    Gritch Initiate (160) Dec 26, 2010 Indiana
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    Not the same thing. Ids for minors are vertical, and those over 21 are horizontal. That is all they are looking at.
  19. Gritch

    Gritch Initiate (160) Dec 26, 2010 Indiana
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    They don't look at the date. See above.
  20. TMoney2591

    TMoney2591 Poo-Bah (6,693) Apr 21, 2009 Illinois

    Welcome to my undergrad world, boyo, though I can't speak to IE specifically. For all I know, it's all those other engineers that were holding us back. I'm looking at you, ME majors...!
  21. tewaris

    tewaris Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2009 Minnesota

    What do you propose wise engineer?
  22. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    For real, you don't want to get him started...
  23. cpinto6

    cpinto6 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2010 Georgia

    Have you ever been clubbing? They check that its not a fake and they do check the date and in a lot of places they also scan them. Also this was Ibiza...if you didn't know, that's in spain, so no they don't just check that its horizontal vs vertical since only USA IDs are like that.
  24. Gritch

    Gritch Initiate (160) Dec 26, 2010 Indiana
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    I will do you one better; I worked the doors at a few clubs and bars. We look at which way the IDs go, and if they look fishy we check them more.

    Since this isn't Spain I don't see why you keep bringing up shit that has nothing to do with the topic. Let's start talking about why FFF doesn't have koala bears in the vines by the front door. Doesn't make sense? Neither does half the stuff you bring up.
  25. jegross2

    jegross2 Meyvn (1,209) Jan 3, 2010 Illinois
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    Why are we still talking about this?
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  26. jegross2

    jegross2 Meyvn (1,209) Jan 3, 2010 Illinois
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    Be Cuz
  27. rt1976

    rt1976 Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2009 Indiana

    Because without a dedicated team of industrial engineers, marketing studies, and ATF agents, FFF will never be able to ensure DL gets to those who are entitled to it. That's 'cuz.
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  28. rt1976

    rt1976 Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2009 Indiana

    BTW I'm going there tomorrow , should I ask if they plan to issue a response to the suggestions in this thread?
  29. Gritch

    Gritch Initiate (160) Dec 26, 2010 Indiana
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    Yes and report back with what they said.
  30. rt1976

    rt1976 Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2009 Indiana

    It was a joke....
  31. Gritch

    Gritch Initiate (160) Dec 26, 2010 Indiana
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    I know.
  32. thirdworld

    thirdworld Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2005 Illinois

    Entitled to it?
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  33. rt1976

    rt1976 Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2009 Indiana

    Again sarcasm...

    You don't get the feeling that some folks in this thread feel that they deserve it more than others since they want to crucify anyone who has ever traded a bottle
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  34. AaronBurr

    AaronBurr Initiate (0) Dec 17, 2011 Illinois

    Every Dark Lord sold on eBay brings about the Apcolypse one day sooner
  35. Patchmaster

    Patchmaster Initiate (0) Apr 25, 2010 Indiana
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    This is the last year for Dark Lord anyway...The Mayans predicted it!!!
  36. BeRanger

    BeRanger Devotee (433) Dec 11, 2011 Michigan
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    Group hug time.
  37. rt1976

    rt1976 Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2009 Indiana

    Post 'em up...let's get this Shit over with
  38. MasterSki

    MasterSki Site Editor (6,390) Dec 25, 2006 Ontario (Canada)
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    Entitled BA user feels entitled. :wink:
  39. TurdFurgison

    TurdFurgison Poo-Bah (3,058) May 29, 2005 Ohio
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    I definitely feel entitled. My experience is that rare beer just -happens-. Mostly it requires no effort at all. DL doesn't apply in this case of course, being as it's not rare. And kind of unsatisfying too, adding insult to the whole equation.
  40. brewmance82

    brewmance82 Initiate (0) Nov 10, 2013 Illinois
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    I can walk a block to my local craft-selling store and grab a 4-pack of Plead the 5th, which is just amazing and not worth the cash and time sink of DLD.
    Loves me some Plead.
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