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To my fellow lagers lovers: here's one to try...

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Providence, Feb 8, 2013.

  1. herrburgess

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    Thanks. Was wondering if they'd fall into the same type of class as, say, some of the more Americanized lagers you see from New Glarus. Still intrigued....
     
  2. JackHorzempa

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    “If I could combine a trip to New England with a visit to a world-class lager brewery …”

    Scott, I think I understand your ‘desirement’ here but it seems to me that the challenge would be that you seem to have an extremely strong preference for traditional lagers (e.g., Munich Helles, Southern German Pilsner, etc.). It also seems to me that you are not a fan of the American Pale Lager style based upon your diatribe concerning New Belgium Shift Pale Lager. So, while Jack’s Abby may indeed be a “world-class lager brewery” it seems to me that the style of lager beer being brewed at Jack’s Abby is not consistent with your palate.

    I have no way of predicting whether you wife would like the beers at Jack’s Abby Brewery. You made mention in past threads that she likes to drink Corona so I would guess that she might be more open minded about the idea of drinking a well made American Pale Lager?

    Cheers!
     
  3. dachshunddude86

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    What do you call that hole in the wall with a counter where all the people are buying beer from in the background?
     
  4. herrburgess

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    Goodness, dude. That's the food window. I can post a pic of the cave-like little door where you pick up the beers and you can decide then if it's a bar or not if it will make you happy. I personally would be more than happy to move on.
     
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    Did they give you a free bowl of soup for buying those glasses?
     
  6. dachshunddude86

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    Hey, that's like your opinion man. I was just wondering what the layout of a typical beer garden in Germany is. I have never visited Germany and clearly you have expansive experience in that particular area.
     
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  7. herrburgess

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    I certainly have that preference, but it doesn't prevent me from liking well-made lagers with some American "qualities." Matter of fact, I was just up at Olde Mecklenburg yesterday and their latest take on their Dunkel has a roastiness and earthy hoppiness that I would typically associate with American takes on the style; that beer stole the show for me...and this was at the first tapping of their Rauchbier!
     
  8. JackHorzempa

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    “ …but it doesn't prevent me from liking well-made lagers with some American "qualities."

    Call me a cynic but I will believe that when I see it!!!!

    Cheers!

    P.S. There is a world of difference from a Dunkel that isn’t brewed in the exact traditional ways of Germany and an American Pale Lager!!
     
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  9. JackHorzempa

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    “ …clearly you have expansive experience in that particular area.”

    You have no idea how expansive!! It is almost as expansive as his ability to opine on this matter!!;)

    Cheers!
     
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  10. herrburgess

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    Believe it or not...I know what I like.

    What irks me more is when a beer advertises itself as a German lager or a Czech lager and bears more resemblance to New Belgium Shift than to either of those styles.
     
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  11. JAXSON

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    Agreed - I had a few fresh bottles of that a few summers back, awesome.
     
  12. highdesertdrinker

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    Ya gotta love "The Empire Strikes Back!"
     
  13. FosterJM

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    Mom and Pops Wet Hop Lager was the bees knees from them as well.
    Trade for a growler of Humulus lager from the Bruery as well.

    Cheers!
     
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    I think they're missing that "malt thing" that you (we) prefer...
     
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  15. JackHorzempa

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    “Believe it or not...I know what I like.” There is absolutely no need to ‘educate’ me on that fact. As I have stated on numerous occasions (and likely will in the future): you indeed have exceptional tastes!

    Cheers!
     
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    And Jack's Abby's lagers may well skew a bit too hoppy if your benchmark lagers are Bavarian.
     
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    Hoptonius is great Kiwi is awesome. Not huge fan of S&D but smoked beer fans love it. Never tried but Fire in Ham is suppose to be extreme. I guess they finished Framinghammer Baltic porter. But they are placing it in barrels can't wait
     
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    Framinghammer available on tap at brewery though
     
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    Jack's needs to come to RI like whoa. Their Kiwi Rising was easily one of the best doubles I've ever had, lager or not.
     
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    Nah, Jack's Abby makes fine beers, but they're not the same as the lagers in Germany. When I can find Weihenstephan Original fresh it's a world class lager, and exactly what I think of when I think "lager." Jack's Abby pale lagers, especially their most popular beer Hoponious Union, are more like an IPA than a lager. They may use lager yeasts, but hops dominate, and Weihenstephan Original is most certainly not a hop-forward beer. Jabby Brau is less so, but still has much more hop flavor than you'd find in a typical Munich Helles for example.

    I would say a good example is Prima Pils versus something such as EKU Pils. Prima is a great lager, but is hoppier than many pilsners.
     
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    “Prima is a great lager, but is hoppier than many pilsners.” Prima Pils is hopped at a level consistent with Northern German Pilsners. If an individual would prefer to drink a less hoppy Pilsner, they should select a Southern German style Pilsner.

    Cheers!
     
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    Perhaps that wasn't the BEST example, since some pilsners can be hoppier, such as Jever. But I would still say Prima is a hop-forward pilsner compared to many (whether Czech, Southern German...etc.). Still, may not be the best example, because if any German lager is allowed to be hoppier, it's a German pils. Whereas a Munich Helles, or Dortmunder, may not be. Such as this beer http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/39/133

    Hoponious and Jabby Brau (at least on this site) are classified as Dortmunders. And the above beer by Ayinger, if drank side by side with Hoponious, will taste quite different.

    Edit: My bad, looks like it's listed under American Pale Lager, which makes sense. Does anyone know if both were originally classified as Dortmunders here?
     
  23. jwheeler87

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    If you get the chance go to the brewery. I went on a random Wednesday, and they were super nice. Also, fresh from the bottling line everything.
     
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    Store was out o hoponius so I picked up a four pak o jabby brau and a sixer o ruthless rye
     
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    You've probably missed it, but if you get a chance (or next year) don't pass it up. Oddly, I am not a huge fan of Doppelbocks becuase I find most to be too sweet (I'm looking at you, Celebrator). But I thought Saxonator was awesome and went back for the other two bottles left at the only local store where I saw it.
     
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    They were both called Dortmunders before which was ridiculous, me an d Uncle Jimbo were talking about that at Lord Hobo one night and he changed it.
     
  27. lucas1801

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    I saw one on the shelf at a liquor store recently, can't remember where though.
     
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    Hoponious Union will own your fucking face.
     
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    Im not a huge fan of their stuff, too hoppy for me as far as German style lager. But, their Copper Legend is great, try it if you find it. The Kiwi Rising is really tasty too.
     
  30. palma

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    Is Jack's Abby beers only avaiable in Mass? any other state in new england?
     
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    Yes, Jack’s Abby beers are American Pale Lagers. As I posted previously, I suspect that these beers are not Scott’s (herrburgess) cup of tea:

    “Scott, I think I understand your ‘desirement’ here but it seems to me that the challenge would be that you seem to have an extremely strong preference for traditional lagers (e.g., Munich Helles, Southern German Pilsner, etc.). It also seems to me that you are not a fan of the American Pale Lager style based upon your diatribe concerning New Belgium Shift Pale Lager. So, while Jack’s Abby may indeed be a “world-class lager brewery” it seems to me that the style of lager beer being brewed at Jack’s Abby is not consistent with your palate.”
     
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    JAbbybrau is solid, I'm fortunate to live 20 minutes from the Brewery so I get growlers, usually Hoponius and Kiwi when they have that one. Good brewery with interesting recipes.
     
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    When does it show up typically?
     
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    I'd love to try the Olde Mecklenburg. Side note, wasn't there a dude that played on the Denver Broncos back in the 80's named Mecklenburg? Anyway, I'd ship you some Jack's Abby for some Mecklenburg, but evidently the stuff I am getting is 6 months old! So if I can land some fresh stuff, would you be interested in a trade?
     
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    Few things on this site make me actually laugh out loud. This did.
     
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    Right before Thanksgiving.
     
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    And what about Hoponius Union, is that a seasonal?
     
  38. lucas1801

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    They release Hoponius regularly, last batch was bottled 1/31/13 which I was lucky to buy on 2/1/13 so it is around everywhere right now.
     
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    I'd like to know this too -- anyone?
     
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    Are you seriously this obnoxious, or are you just intimidated by people with dark sunglasses?

    Wish I could be as kewl as you, Jack.


    :rolleyes:
     
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