Site Too stubborn for the 'Hads'?

Discussion in 'Support & Suggestions' started by VelvetExtract, Jan 19, 2013.

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  1. VelvetExtract

    VelvetExtract Poo-Bah (3,149) Jan 10, 2010 Massachusetts

    I respect the ease and the simplicity of the 'Had' feature. But is anyone too stubborn (like me) to begin using the 'Had'? After nearly 1,000 full reviews, I just don't want to switch up my reviewing game. Just me?
  2. franklinn

    franklinn Initiate (0) May 29, 2012 Vermont

    No, that makes sense. Whatever works for you.

    I use the hads to give a general overview to trading partners about my likes and dislikes. I don't review because I don't personally find a point to it, I just like to drink beer.

    With that said, I dislike that hads now count towards the BA score of a beer. There are many people who take tasting seriously and review seriously. I don't think my drunken clicking should detract from their carefully constructed and well thought out reviews.

    At the end of the day, do what makes you happy :grinning:
  3. fujindemon74

    fujindemon74 Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2012 Pennsylvania

    You are in my head.
  4. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Site Editor (6,369) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
    Subscriber Beer Trader

    Well, after lurking on the site for several years and following some friends that are BAs... Hads were my entry point into the reviewing experience and now I do a full review for all my new beers unless that is not possible (too small a sample size, closed brewery, etc.).
  5. Dope

    Dope Poo-Bah (2,384) Oct 5, 2010 Massachusetts

    I'm mostly stubborn too. I only use Hads for when I'm out with friends or at a bar or something and I try something new. Don't really have the time or desire to write a full review but would like to score it on a reasonable level. I think they should count towards a beer's rating but on a smaller level. Like weighted only 25% of the overall score. It kinda makes me think, why spend 30 minutes writing out the best review I can, when I can just click a little drop-down list and it "counts" just the same.

  6. Treyliff

    Treyliff Poo-Bah (3,225) Aug 10, 2010 West Virginia
    Beer Trader

    I'm with you, 249 reviews, 0 hads for me.
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  7. BrownAleMale

    BrownAleMale Initiate (0) Dec 14, 2011 Wisconsin
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    As stated above, I like the hads feature for when Im not at home and have a new beer.
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  8. mudbug

    mudbug Defender (603) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon

    I'm with you, I use the data base for my own list of beers I like. I've had hundreds of beers that didn't interest me and I don't care if anyone is interested that I had them.
  9. ShogoKawada

    ShogoKawada Meyvn (1,247) May 31, 2009 Pennsylvania

    Hads are dumb. Review it, or don't.
  10. kojevergas

    kojevergas Poo-Bah (7,374) Aug 15, 2010 Texas
    Beer Trader

    I'm too stubborn for hads meself. Sometimes when I'm out with friends, they'll grant me one sip of their beer and I'll write down a had, but if I have the choice I always go with reviewing.

    The main reason I chose beeradvocate over ratebeer in the first place was that the "reviews" on ratebeer tend to be rather brief and pathetic; I wanted to review in depth so I came here.
  11. Jeffo

    Jeffo Poo-Bah (2,727) Sep 7, 2008 Netherlands

    I don't consider myself a ticker, so Hads don't work for me. I prefer to review in a way that I can express my experience with a beer, which is acceptable on BA here. However, I can see why a lot of people like and use Hads. It's an easy way to keep track of things.

  12. Momar42

    Momar42 Initiate (0) Sep 19, 2010 Maryland

    Well assuming we all live to see the day that the mobile app is launched I'm sure the Hads will integrate there better as a tracking method. I enjoy reading the reviews here and that is what brought me to BA in the first place. I almost always spend alot of time looking on BA when I am considering what new beers to try. I also use Untappd as a method to track when I am out tasting with friends or alone and dont feel like reviewing and I enjoy it (I realize that probably places me in the minority here). When BA rolls their version out and I can keep track of what my buds are drinking I will gladly give it a shot. But as others have stated do what you like. And for those with 1000+ reviews I salute you, you have undoubtedly led me TO or AWAY some great or awful beers.
  13. TaylorK

    TaylorK Initiate (0) Oct 9, 2012 Virginia

    That's what's beginning to happen to me. I started to do full reviews, but am still skipping for Had function. I imagine I'll mix it up.
  14. UCLABrewN84

    UCLABrewN84 Poo-Bah (12,229) Mar 18, 2010 California

    Agreed, I just passed 3,000 reviews and have never used the hads feature. I like reviewing too much to make the switch.
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  15. davey101

    davey101 Meyvn (1,080) Apr 14, 2009 Connecticut
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    Only at 400ish but also agreed. Honestly, the .25 increment thing is bigger issue to me than the "hads" feature.
  16. UCLABrewN84

    UCLABrewN84 Poo-Bah (12,229) Mar 18, 2010 California

    You don't like the new increments? I felt the same way in the past because I was so used to the old system, but I have realized it gives me greater flexibility in terms of scoring when something isn't quite at a 0.50 increment either way. It just takes some getting used to.
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  17. thagr81us

    thagr81us Initiate (0) Apr 28, 2010 South Carolina

    Coming up on 2K reviews here with 0 hads. Doubt I will ever use it, but it is nice that others have the option.
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  18. davey101

    davey101 Meyvn (1,080) Apr 14, 2009 Connecticut
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    I love the increment as it makes things easier now, but I almost feel inclined to go back and adjust reviews. If I could do them all over again they would certainly be sitting at slightly different numbers. Oh well, semantics.
  19. LeRose

    LeRose Meyvn (1,183) Nov 24, 2011 Massachusetts
    Supporter Subscriber

    Considering my relative new status, I have mixed feeling about the hads. I have maybe seventy some reviews, and have not used the hads at all. I never even thought about it...I felt writing a review was the responsible approach. My reviews might not be top shelf, but they are honest and I do my best. I also spent time writing them off line before adding to the site. I totally rely on the narrative reviews when researching a brew.

    The hads might lead to extremes being used or random numbers, but i would guess they are already the predominant form of rating. Unfortunately, it comes down to the individual. With the quarter point increments, one can potentially score equally well by the numbers. It looks like some people actually use the system as I assume it is intended - to give a quick but reasonably accurate score. But there are many examples like the ones posted where everything is a zero or five that are completely useless. To me that defines ticking...if you can't even be bothered to use the simple pull down scores and put a little thought into the numbers, why are you rating by either method?

    Obviously either method can be abused. I assume that the had system is more valuable for mobile apps, so it is a necessary evil as the website grows given the mobile society we live in. I think weeding out thoughtless scores is a problem either way, but if there is a written review I have the chance to more accurately determine the value of the score.
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  20. RichD

    RichD Champion (809) Mar 18, 2012 Rhode Island
    Beer Trader

    I frequently use hads because a decent amount of my beer consumption happens in public at restaurants and pubs. I would never take notes and shit at a bar for a review. However, I'm trying to review every beer I have now because I feel that it is a better way to appreciate what a beer has to offer. It's a more complete analysis of what you're drinking. And plus, it allows me to revisit the beers I've had or reviewed and see how my current taste compares to when I reviewed the beer.
  21. mikeburd1128

    mikeburd1128 Zealot (514) Oct 28, 2011 New Jersey

    Don't hate hads. Hate the fact that they now factor into rankings.

    I VERY rarely review. I've only done a few hads on here when I first started using the site, but it become too tiresome to use the browser on my phone so I started using Untappd. I don't use it to rate the beers really, just to keep track of what I drink and my general feelings towards it. Once the BA app gets released, I'll most likely switch entirely to doing hads on here. It'd be very nice to have all my info in one place. I certainly wouldn't mind my hads not having as much pull, if any, as full reviews in terms of ratings, because for me, I don't use it for that. I use it as a personal record book of what I've had and how I feel about it. If anything, not having my hads contribute to ratings might even motivate me to review more frequently, especially if the reviewing process on the app is easily accessed. Just my two cents.
  22. alysmith4

    alysmith4 Initiate (0) Feb 11, 2005 District of Columbia

    I caved in, and started using it. Mainly because it's now a nice way to record everything I've had (duh), that I later want to review (I'm guessing that's part of it's purpose). I'm a bit worried though that I'll become beerlazy, and won't properly review since using it. I guess it seems kind of double-edged to me.

    I'm also concerned about the accuracy in ratings now. I know that I try to be careful about that when I use it, but I'm not sure that I'm being as "thoughtful" about the beer as I could be (thus skewing the rating).
  23. AlaskanYoung

    AlaskanYoung Disciple (379) Dec 1, 2011 Arkansas

    I use hads to track what beer i drink.
  24. Beerandraiderfan

    Beerandraiderfan Initiate (0) Apr 14, 2009 Nevada

    Thank you.

    It makes no sense that on this website, you can't "bash" or "troll" a beer in a review without saying "why" you disliked it (a sensible policy). . . but you're free to give out "1"s in a "had" review for world class beer without saying why (makes no sense in conjunction with the review policy).
  25. chinchill

    chinchill Poo-Bah (7,388) Feb 29, 2008 South Carolina

    I was using the 'Hads' previously, but rarely. This is a nice option if the drinking situation does not make taking notes easy, socially acceptable, or possible. I also use them when I feel the sample size is too small or too poorly attended to, to write a fair full review. Note that these lead me to join many others in objecting to the over-weighted impact they have on overall ratings. Worse yet, reports indicate that some 'Had' ratings come from vague memories, or simple desire to provide oneself with a marker of whether or not to try the beer again later. In short, it is misguided to count the 'Had" scores the same as full reviews. Hopefully, the Bros. will see this too and courageously back-track or refine (low weighting) the contribution of 'Had' scores.
  26. loafinaround

    loafinaround Aspirant (296) Jul 16, 2011 New York

    I'm lazy. no hads. no reviews :flushed:
  27. ThisWangsChung

    ThisWangsChung Poo-Bah (2,723) Oct 15, 2011 Maryland
    Beer Trader

    Hads are useful when you taste an oz. of something at a bar, are trying to remember about that beer you had a few months before deciding writing BA reviews was cool, or are so piss drunk that you couldn't possibly scratch two words together in a notebook.

    Otherwise, if I want to write a 1000 word review on why WALZBRO A is completely overhyped, then damnit, I will.
  28. TheMonkfish

    TheMonkfish Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2012 Chad

    I write my written reviews in a spreadsheet and keep them there for the most part. I try to put my hads up in BA in the event that the all of my spreadsheet backups are banished to the land of wind and ghosts.

    I don't put much more stock in a long form written review than I do in an overall rating. Folks that come here are enthusiasts and I'm happy to see the aggregated score of the whole user base - that's more meaningful to me than a single long form review or editorial review from the site/magazine owners.
  29. Eriktheipaman

    Eriktheipaman Savant (979) Sep 4, 2010 California
    Beer Trader

    I was at 251 reviews and once they added "Hads" I never went back. But that said doing full reviews really taught me a lot that I now take for granted. I used to sit down and spent a good amount of time with each beer picking out it's different flavors and complexities which now come to me much easier. I thank full reviews for that.
  30. TheSixthRing

    TheSixthRing Poo-Bah (2,409) Sep 24, 2008 California

    Screw 'Hads'. I'm all about full frontal review-dity.
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  31. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poo-Bah (5,341) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
    Supporter Beer Trader

    I've put up a few Hads. 3 of the beers I enjoyed at a tasting and I just wasn't feeling it, reviewing the beers that is. I just sat back, had a big grin on my face and enjoyed seeing the grins on my buddys' faces as we all dove in to some truly remarkable brews. I think there IS a time and a place for Hads...
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  32. TurdFurgison

    TurdFurgison Poo-Bah (3,058) May 29, 2005 Ohio
    Beer Trader

    I was ready for the HADs option for about a year before it was implemented. Reviews became too much of a hassle. Before long I had an extensive back-log, and there are still hundreds of reviews in notebooks I've never entered.

    Now it couldn't be simpler, I just click with an instant impression of the beer and I'm done. I'll only go back to full reviews for special milestones.
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  33. JamesShoemaker

    JamesShoemaker Initiate (0) Sep 21, 2012 Michigan
    Beer Trader

    Hads are alright, I wish they had implemented the quarter point system but not let it factor into the rAVG.
  34. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poo-Bah (5,341) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
    Supporter Beer Trader

    Well, I think Hads should factor into the average if the BA who is entering the Had has a goodly history of reviewing. Where the cutoff of "goodly history"/number of reviews recorded would be would be open to some debate for sure but a BA who reviews often and enters Hads are far more legitimate than a BA who only enters Hads. I hope that makes some sense..
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  35. jplopez21

    jplopez21 Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2012 Illinois
    Beer Trader

    I prefer doing hads, because my palate and my nose arent as sensitive as most peoples. Plus I hate the hassle of doing reviews. The only review I did was for the Arcadia Barrel Aged Cereal Killer and that's only because it was a brand new beer. And you have to review new beers to add them on BA. Which makes no sense to me.
  36. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Poo-Bah (2,459) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona

    I refuse to use it. It's the ticker feature as far as I'm concerned. It might as well be changed from 'hads' to 'ticks'.
  37. barleywinefiend

    barleywinefiend Initiate (0) Nov 22, 2007 Washington

    Bless you! If some one wants to give a beer an A or F I wanna know why damnit.
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  38. barleywinefiend

    barleywinefiend Initiate (0) Nov 22, 2007 Washington

    Keep up the good work.
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  39. secondtooth

    secondtooth Poo-Bah (2,042) Dec 14, 2007 Indiana

    I see a point for "Hads", but do not like it contributing towards the overall scores. Maybe a separate "score" to compare to more serious, composed reviews?

    I have yet to use "Had" after my 700+ reviews...don't want to "cheapen" my "work". Hah!
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  40. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Site Editor (6,369) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
    Subscriber Beer Trader

    Personally, I used them when first introduced on the site and when I was just starting to review (I think of them as a barometer that I used before I was ready to start writing full reviews).
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