Total Wine

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  1. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    Never mind, I read your post wrong, I thought you were talking about TW not BevMo, I know nothing about BevMo. At TW they card almost everyone, just to be safe.
  2. leedorham

    leedorham Crusader (701) Apr 27, 2006 Washington

    Can't really remember every one I saw but a buncha other Hopworks beers besides the mainstays, sours like Liefman's (which I've only seen at Enoteca) and some other sours I'm sure I've never seen anywhere around here, Pelican, Schooner Exact I think, Moylan's. There were more.
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  3. 5thOhio

    5thOhio Zealot (512) May 13, 2007 South Carolina

    Total Wine is privately held; it does not sell stock, nor have partners, which is what you have to do to have investors.

    And no, I don't work for TW nor am I related to the owners. I looked up the info on that internets thingy.
  4. TheSixthRing

    TheSixthRing Poo-Bah (2,632) Sep 24, 2008 California

    I wouldn't know if the employees know anything about their beer, because I don't ask. I know what I want, generally, before I walk through the door.

    I do agree about the singles aisle being a bit of a pain, now that it's now that it's organized by style and not by brewery. It was much easier to find exactly what you were looking for before they changed it some years back.
  5. HoptimusMax1mus

    HoptimusMax1mus Disciple (305) Jul 10, 2012 Arizona

    Not about what I want but what is in stock,when are they getting a certain brand and/or if they can get such and such.
  6. DonDirkA

    DonDirkA Initiate (0) Dec 14, 2011 Arizona

    My company doesn't sell stock either. You still have a board to answer to when you get that large.
  7. 5thOhio

    5thOhio Zealot (512) May 13, 2007 South Carolina

    A board isn't the same thing as investors.
  8. DonDirkA

    DonDirkA Initiate (0) Dec 14, 2011 Arizona

    But they are making decisions based solely on a bottom line and not on what they think is best for the customers. Thats how I define corporate. They're all about the bottom line ($). I know all businesses need to make money but smaller businesses can also make decisions based on what they think is best for their product and their customers, not just their wallets.
  9. brethartt

    brethartt Initiate (0) Oct 30, 2012 California

    Total wine definitely has great selection craft beer and more main stream stuff, even some limited releases. Prices are some of the cheapest you can find, and some of their closeout sales are unreal.
    However that being said, nobody here knows anything about beer ( at least at the Redondo Beach location). They have like 5-6 wine specialist, but none of them or anybody stocking the beer shelfs could answer any questions about the beer department. definitely got that, I don't know I just work here vibe, common with most large big box stores.
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  10. SnowFlowMfg

    SnowFlowMfg Initiate (0) Dec 13, 2011 California

    Love that place. Got one a block away. I regularly go there on shipment days. I usually get a couple Plinys a month as my best buys there. They have fun wine tastings on weekends to for $.10. haha

    My favorite part is probably that everyone that works there is really friendly and knows there stuff. You can tell many of them eat, sleep, and breathe wine, and a few are BA's to.
  11. checktherhyme

    checktherhyme Initiate (154) Apr 8, 2008 Washington

    Just picked up Dissident for 10.99 a bottle. Its 15 everywhere else here. Dope
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  12. whiskey

    whiskey Aspirant (288) Feb 25, 2012 California
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    Yeah, it was $11.49 a few days ago. Crazy cheap. I was hoping I could pick up some XXIV on the cheap, but no such luck. I'll def. check it out come Abyss time.
  13. TX-Badger

    TX-Badger Poo-Bah (2,589) Jun 14, 2012 Texas
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    I'm happy they've come to North Texas (Dallas/Ft. Worth). They've forced other liquor stores to lower their prices from the ridiculously high prices they were charging for common beverages. I'm still going to support local as much as possible and the little store owners, but I do think that by them coming in, even the big Texas chain Spec's has been forced to lower their 'low' prices to compete. Overall, the impact has been good for the consumer.
  14. zac16125

    zac16125 Poo-Bah (1,805) Jan 26, 2010 South Carolina
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    When I lived in FL, total wine was MORE expensive than the other stores I went to, often significantly so. I'm surprised to here at its cheaper for you.
  15. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    Yep - nothing like paying a local mom and pop $14 for a bomber that costs $7 at BevMo. That local mom and pop is really looking out for me....

    meanwhile - BevMo is employing 27 workers while mom and pop is employing 1.
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  16. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    As you can imagine every situation is different, my local mom and pop shop is within $1-$2 of Total Wine. If they were pricing things crazy and trying to stay in business off of my wallet then I'd be right there with you. And does your local shop really just have 1 employee? I'd hate to be that guy/gal working open to close every day.
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  17. 5thOhio

    5thOhio Zealot (512) May 13, 2007 South Carolina

    Your definition of "corporate" seems to keep changing. And how do you know that
    a) TW's decisions are based "solely on the bottom line" and
    B) Mom & Pop stores don't do that.

    BTW, if I were you, I'd hope that the local Mom & Pop makes decisions based on their bottom line or you won't have them to shop in at some point.
  18. nc41

    nc41 Poo-Bah (1,526) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Me too. I paid 14 at Bestway and 16.50 at TW.
  19. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    Owner isn't the employee. 1 employee = business owner and 1 employee.
  20. DonDirkA

    DonDirkA Initiate (0) Dec 14, 2011 Arizona

    No my definition of corporate has stayed consistent. And I know the bottom line is important, but my favorite local shop doesn't make their decisions SOLELY on it. They make decisions based on what customers want and need. They know their customers by name and treat them like friends. Total Wine can't even seem to keep an employee for a week so they don't have time to even know what aisle the beer is on. TW's decisions have to be based solely on the bottom line because (as I have said repeatedly) they have to make their board happy and their board doesn't give two shits and a fuck about craft beer except as a money making tool.
  21. DonDirkA

    DonDirkA Initiate (0) Dec 14, 2011 Arizona

    Now, THAT is insane. I know that local shops don't get as big of a discount as TW, but that seems excessive. I have never seen anything at my local that is more than $1-2 than what TW is charging. TW can buy by the pallet to supply their dozen or so stores in the state, getting a discounted rate, while the locals can only buy a case or two, causing them to pay slightly more.

    My local only has one employee, the business owner. He works 10-7 Tue-Sat. His son used to work there too, but he's manager at a local beer bar now.
  22. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    Some SD shops love to add a "omg rare b33r" charge. A place here was selling Dissident for $28 per bottle. "this is rare b33r". BevMo doesn't price gouge, ever. They add their normal profit to whatever it is - "Rare beer" or not.
  23. MagillaGriller

    MagillaGriller Initiate (0) Aug 20, 2012

    End this thread
  24. 5thOhio

    5thOhio Zealot (512) May 13, 2007 South Carolina

    Well, actually, if you go back and look, you said TW was "corporate." When I pointed out that it was a family owned operation, just like a Mom & Pop, you said it was "corporate" because it had investors. When I pointed out that it is privately held and appears to have no investors, you then said it was corporate because it has to answer to a board.

    You still seem to make a lot of assumptions. "Doesn't give two shits and a fuck about craft beer." Based on what information do you make that statement? "they are making decisions based solely on a bottom line and not on what they think is best for the customers." Again, how do you know that their decisions are based on that?

    You appear to be one of the kind of people that doesn't like chain stores. OK, fine. That's your prerogative. But you are making a lot of unfounded accusations that simply aren't backed up by any real facts.

    Overall, TW considers itself primarily a wine retailer. The craft beer is a secondary operation. All you have to do to understand that is to compare the floor space for both types of beverage, or read the information on the website. As such, they're certainly not going to put the time & effort into beer like they do wine. That doesn't mean they're evil or don't care about craft beer customers.

    Personally, I don't go to stores to shoot the shit with the employees about craft beer or find out how knowledgeable they are, or how much they care about little me. That's what my beer drinking friends and websites like this are for. I go to TW for selection and price, which they do pretty well.
  25. Kenye

    Kenye Initiate (0) Jun 28, 2012 Oklahoma

    Just throwing out my two cents as I support both my local mom and pop, Total Wine, and as rarely as possible BevMo. My Mom and Pop shop is where I ENJOY going. When I walk in, they know me, they talk about new offerings or what they expect to get in. They know their shit, I can talk to them. That is worth paying just a little bit more to me, than shopping at the big boys.

    Just to give you an example. I was trying to pick up some more Deschutes Dissident and Black Butte XXIV the other day at BevMo. I had to stand there at customer service for 10 minutes to get helped. Then I had to spell out Dissident and Black Butte for the woman helping me. Then I had to tell her they were beers by Deschutes again. I had to spell Deschutes for her. She then poked away at her computer blindly to inform me they didn't have any, when (I assume her boss) came over and informed her they were under the counter and had a limit of "one per customer." That just illustrates the normal frustration of going to places like Total Wine or BevMo. Total Wine normally isn't as bad, but I've nearly as frustrating experiences there. Either train your employees, or hire people who actually give a shit about the product.

    My philosophy is go to Mom and pop first, buy whatever I can there. Go to Total Wine, buy what I can't get at Mom and Pop. If there is a bottle limit (rare beer), go to BevMo and buy what I can there. I would much rather support local economies, even though they can't quite compete with the price (they come close here thankfully.)
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  26. JohnQ

    JohnQ Initiate (0) Jul 7, 2012 California

    Only been to the new TW in SAC a few times.Bevmo is closer to me but has some issues.I found that TW seemed
    a little cheaper.And they did have some beers I haden't seen at Bevmo.If I get out that way I will check them out again.

    In my experience I have been able to find some knowledgable (beer) sales people at Bevmo and 1 in particular at my local store over time has become more helpful in making suggestions WRT what I like.

    Don't rememeber this at TW so much.But to be fair the 1st trip was right after it opened.

    BTW,I bought some beer at Target the other night and they ID EVERYBODY,even scanning the ID in the register.A lady behind me was buying some kind of meds and they ID her too.And she had no ID so was starting to make a stink.Hope that guy didn't get fire.

    OMT It was Pyramid Thunderhead IPA.I'm a big fan of Pyramid but was a little disappointed.
  27. DonDirkA

    DonDirkA Initiate (0) Dec 14, 2011 Arizona

    Thats kind of my experience. BevMo's employees are even worse than TW (at least at the sutomer service desk). I called last night looking for Utopias. The lady at TW said "Yes we have it, its $200". End. Called BevMo (because an employee told me last week it'd be in and it'd be $160). The guy had no idea what it was. Put me on hold. 5 minutes later "Yes, we have two" "How much is it?" "Uhhh..." Hold. 5 minutes later. "$199.99... what is that right?" So at least the customer service desk people at TW are informed about rare beers. The regular stocking employees don't know a beer from their dick in their hand though.
  28. OneBeertoRTA

    OneBeertoRTA Devotee (497) Jan 2, 2010 California
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    Damn, you just made me feel really old.
  29. OneBeertoRTA

    OneBeertoRTA Devotee (497) Jan 2, 2010 California
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    Very true, although outside of a few beers Bevmo's typically don't get great special releases. Really odd considering places like Binny's in the midwest get all sorts of bad ass seasonals and limiteds.
  30. blivingston1985

    blivingston1985 Disciple (326) Jan 7, 2010 North Carolina

    The beer is waaaaay out of season so Total Wine & More marks everything down big-time. Petty awesome program. I've bought a case of beer that cost $14 a 6pk for like $17 before.
  31. blivingston1985

    blivingston1985 Disciple (326) Jan 7, 2010 North Carolina

    Walmart is a giant, publicly traded monster with documentaries about the big, bullying son of a bitch that it is. Total Wine & More is a privately held company started by two brothers over twenty years ago that just happens to be ahead of the curve. For real. That place is cutting edge on the retail alcohol front. Places have existed that have big selection and stuff, but they never had the same thing Total Wine & More has now. It's not flawless, but it's not what you think.
  32. yamar68

    yamar68 Initiate (0) Apr 1, 2011 Minnesota

    I think Shakira put it best when she said "hips don't lie."
  33. 5thOhio

    5thOhio Zealot (512) May 13, 2007 South Carolina

    What I been sayin'...
  34. mactrail

    mactrail Poo-Bah (8,240) Mar 24, 2009 Washington
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    After buying a load of random beers at Total Wine in Tucson, I quit. Would you think local Arizona beers might be fresh? No, two spoiled Sonoran brews, one bacterial can from Grand Canyon. Several others just not fresh with hints of oxidation. Then the awful can from Maui. And if a brewery looks interesting, be wary. Like BevMo these guys have their pet swill plants, in the case of Total Wine it's Rock Art Brewery in Vermont. Stick to the coupons and the dependable big brewers that move the product if you're going to shop here.
  35. bkov33

    bkov33 Initiate (176) Dec 5, 2007 New Jersey

    i find their beer prices to be about average with other stores around here
  36. devlishdamsel

    devlishdamsel Initiate (0) Aug 1, 2009 Washington

    Good luck finding anything remotely rare at this place. It sells before it hits the shelf. As far as non rare stuff goes though, its pretty legit!
  37. beercanman

    beercanman Initiate (0) Dec 17, 2012 Ohio

    I second this.
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