Trade Value Tuesday (7.10.2018)

Discussion in 'Trade Talk' started by blkhawk14, Jul 10, 2018.

  1. blkhawk14

    blkhawk14 Initiate (66) Nov 14, 2014 Minnesota
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    The guidelines for this are the following:
    1. Under no circumstances should cash value, offers to exchange cash for beer, offers to exchange beer for cash, offers to exchange cash for prime grade A sirloin or really anything involving cash at all be mentioned. This will lock the thread immediately and you will be shamed. If you have to use a reference, I would recommend the gold standard of RVRU (relative vanilla rye units)
    2. Don't be vague. No one really knows if you're ISO or FT. No beer has a singular value, so asking "what can I get with X?" will result with a million answers. "What does it take to land Y?" Again please help give us an idea of what you have FT or where about you're at to give an idea of locals, etc.
    3. The purpose of this thread is to help users out and introduce some dialogue and conversation into the merits of a particular proposed trade. It is meant to help users new and old and be a bit more dynamic than the "completed trades" section.
    4. Have fun with this!
     
  2. BlackBearJesus

    BlackBearJesus Initiate (119) Jan 21, 2018 Missouri
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    BCBS Reserve 17 to Henna 2018 (any of the three)?

    Figure the BCBS needs to add but I'm trying to figure out the level.
     
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  3. blkhawk14

    blkhawk14 Initiate (66) Nov 14, 2014 Minnesota
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    Seems like at least another reserve for any of the BA henna I would think
     
  4. GGBS

    GGBS Initiate (126) Jul 5, 2018 California
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    dG Kriekenblossom or Purple Kriek for BL Space Trace or Pure Log Cabin/Log Cabin w/ Coffee possible?
    Would add extra fresh hoppy cans as well. Seem like enough?
     
  5. CWC177

    CWC177 Initiate (121) Apr 6, 2018 New Jersey
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    I know it's early given that bottle pickup is Saturday, but would Goshawk's Territory go 1:2 for Canuckley and Bring the Ruckley? Not sure what the value of these are or whether they were a ticketed release like Goshawk's Territory was..
     
  6. blkhawk14

    blkhawk14 Initiate (66) Nov 14, 2014 Minnesota
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    Which side are you on? I would think Kriekenblossom could easily pull ST B2 1:1. Not sure about the pure stuff as I don't see as many ISOs.
     
  7. GGBS

    GGBS Initiate (126) Jul 5, 2018 California
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    I'm ISO the dG...
     
  8. Aetherbulb

    Aetherbulb Initiate (169) Oct 10, 2014 Texas
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    Another reserve and a plus like northwoods or regal would get it done.
     
  9. Aetherbulb

    Aetherbulb Initiate (169) Oct 10, 2014 Texas
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    Seems pretty close.
     
  10. D09daryl

    D09daryl Initiate (121) Mar 11, 2017 California
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    I highly doubt it, seems far closer to a 1:1. They all trade around the Bottle Logic Ground State level from what i've seen
     
  11. dkol1875

    dkol1875 Initiate (118) Feb 12, 2018 District of Columbia
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    I'm new to the whiskey game and have a Weller 12 that I'm sure I will enjoy but not appreciate. If I were to trade it, would it be close to a VR?
     
  12. blkhawk14

    blkhawk14 Initiate (66) Nov 14, 2014 Minnesota
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    Unless its a 1.75 no, you are short of a VR by a decent + even with bourbon tax applied
     
  13. narddawg314

    narddawg314 Initiate (88) Feb 6, 2015 Missouri
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    Trying to close a beer for not beer trade and not sure how many VR's these bottles are going for these days

    BAA '18, BBT, Carpathian

    Thanks!
     
  14. cmukid87

    cmukid87 Aspirant (296) Jan 30, 2017 Michigan
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    I think both of those is overkill. If anything one of the barrel aged and one of the non (buckley/bark lord) as a plus. Territory was ticketed to the public with 4 bottles pp limit. If I did the trade for Canuckley and Bring the Ruckley I would definitely feel like I was winning.
     
  15. Aetherbulb

    Aetherbulb Initiate (169) Oct 10, 2014 Texas
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    BAA & Carpathian - 2 VR Units

    BBT - 2-1/2 VR Units
     
  16. narddawg314

    narddawg314 Initiate (88) Feb 6, 2015 Missouri
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    I think you're off on Carpathian seeing as there were less than 300 bottles total made, and it's trading equal or higher than BBT. Not trying to shit on your opinion and thank you for the response!
     
  17. CWC177

    CWC177 Initiate (121) Apr 6, 2018 New Jersey
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    Thanks, glad to have some input from MI! Was just curious as I haven't seen what these have closed for.. I'd have no problem adding a plus on my end to get it done (Prairie BA bottles like Pirate Bomb, Pirate Noir, Other Half hops, etc.)
     
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  18. cmukid87

    cmukid87 Aspirant (296) Jan 30, 2017 Michigan
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    I can speak for those Transient bottles, although slightly bias, that they are absolutely fantastic.
     
  19. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Devotee (416) Apr 8, 2017 Indiana
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    BAA at 2 VR units? That's exceptionally high. Like twice as high almost. 2 VR units puts it in BBT territory, and it's not near BBT.

    BAA wasn't even 2 VR units before the 2018 release, and since then has only decreased.

    Not trying to be rude, but that's a SUPER high valuation. Anyone that put up FT BAA ISO 2 VR would get crickets, and anyone putting up FT 2 VR ISO: BAA would have their inbox flooded.
     
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  20. Pup21

    Pup21 Initiate (194) Mar 4, 2014 Texas
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    Was thinking of offering a jk omniscience (2017) for a ba (rum or bourbon) hardywood gbs. Thoughts?
     
  21. OverTrainOverGain

    OverTrainOverGain Initiate (167) May 11, 2017 Pennsylvania
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    Why not
     
  22. 7irondave

    7irondave Devotee (410) Jun 22, 2016 Massachusetts
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    I have no idea what A Deal With De Molen trades for. Would:

    • Trillium and Tree House cans land one $4$?
    • Trillium (stouts/sours) or Hill Farmstead (sours) land one 1:1?
    Thanks
     
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  23. Aetherbulb

    Aetherbulb Initiate (169) Oct 10, 2014 Texas
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    Understand you logic, but you also have to look at the tax of trading up as well. It is probably a little under 2 VR units, but still seems to fall in the somewhere around there. Thanks for the feedback.
     
  24. Thirst_trappist

    Thirst_trappist Initiate (164) Jan 18, 2016 Florida
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    Could some combination of AC RR , cycle rare noa, Fremont coffee kds, bcbcs get me a coconut+ bourbon midnight still?
     
  25. mrtomatohead49

    mrtomatohead49 Disciple (312) Apr 9, 2013 Georgia
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    How much of a plus on Assassin 2018 to get either BAA 2018 or Hung drawn and quartered?

    Figured I was at 2.4 imaginary beer units with the assassin and both of the other two were at 3 units. Am I off? Anyone have plus suggestions?
     
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  26. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Devotee (416) Apr 8, 2017 Indiana
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    Honestly, I think you are best off by listing every plus you would be willing to offer, and say "pick 1."

    What you need is someone who wants an Assassin and will give up a BAA. The average joe probably wants a FO B3 type of add, but it should not require that much. You're more likely to find someone that has a more obscure want in the range of ground state, I think, if you offer all your potential pluses and give them the option.
     
  27. blkhawk14

    blkhawk14 Initiate (66) Nov 14, 2014 Minnesota
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    Honestly seems like BAA and Adsassin 18 are sitting about 1:1 right now. Hung drawn needs a + on assasin end, somewhere around .5 IBU (new term for imaginary beer units)
     
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  28. blkhawk14

    blkhawk14 Initiate (66) Nov 14, 2014 Minnesota
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    This ones still totally up in the air value wise far as I can tell. Their first collab was rough but totally different style. May go $4$ with more limited trill or treeehouse. Same with hill stuff, maybe 1:1 with ba Dorothy or something like that but can't imagine going 1:1 with Anna or Arthur
     
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  29. 7irondave

    7irondave Devotee (410) Jun 22, 2016 Massachusetts
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    Definitely would not expect 1:1 with HF shelfies. Should have been more specific.

    Thanks for the input
     
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  30. dxtxxii

    dxtxxii Initiate (24) Dec 1, 2016 Pennsylvania
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    Took me a couple weeks offering Assassin+ to get BAA, and eventually had to use FOb3 as my + to close it. Unfortunately, Assassin '18 doesn't seem to have as many people searching for it considering what it goes for.
     
  31. Dactrius

    Dactrius Meyvn (1,111) Apr 23, 2012 Wisconsin
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    Full disclosure, I brought a couple bottles home with me but it's not for trade.

    I'm not sure this is helpful, but I assume the new De Molen would trade in line with what adwtd do trades for, maybe slightly higher due to the 6 bottle limit on the DM but perhaps slightly lower due to it not having the pedigree. Also probably a bit harder to nab the DM since there are likely just less bottles of it floating around, especially in the lower 48 since it's not like the adwtd release where a bunch of people flew up there specifically for the release.
     
  32. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Devotee (416) Apr 8, 2017 Indiana
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    My guess has been lower since there have been only a hand full of ISOs. When ADWTD gets released, it's like seeing a big BA stout release from perennial, TG, SP, etc. everyone wants it. So far, does not appear to be the case with either of these anchorage releases from Saturday.

    Just my 2cp.
     
  33. cmukid87

    cmukid87 Aspirant (296) Jan 30, 2017 Michigan
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    FWIW, I saw a post on a social media site looking for a 4:2 ratio and was offering Rocky Road, Big Poppa, Boss Tycoon and Perennial 17 for De Molen
     
  34. Thirst_trappist

    Thirst_trappist Initiate (164) Jan 18, 2016 Florida
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    How many VR units is,Veil ba sleeping forever Kentucky reserve?
     
  35. KevinJohnson2

    KevinJohnson2 Devotee (460) Jul 8, 2013 Michigan
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    I have a ‘16 St Lam that’d i’d to turn into LPF... Would I have to add or would i’d be looking 1:1?

    Thanks for the feedback! Cheers!
     
  36. colby600

    colby600 Aspirant (270) Mar 24, 2015 Massachusetts
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    I traded BA Affogato + RFI : for Kentucky box with the glasses two months ago. So roughly 1.5 VR units.
     
  37. blkhawk14

    blkhawk14 Initiate (66) Nov 14, 2014 Minnesota
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    Normally i'd say the St. Lam has to add but with the scarcity of St. Lam this year its gone up a bit in trade value. Because of Venn Diagram issues (ie lots of folks with lpf have st lam) you may have to add something like an RdG or equivalent.
     
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  38. Thirst_trappist

    Thirst_trappist Initiate (164) Jan 18, 2016 Florida
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    Hmm...my mistake,..I don't care about the box or glasses.


    What's your feeling now?
     
  39. colby600

    colby600 Aspirant (270) Mar 24, 2015 Massachusetts
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    I don't feel feelings anymore. I can't give an accurate answer to your question.
     
  40. colby600

    colby600 Aspirant (270) Mar 24, 2015 Massachusetts
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    I like the glasses more than I liked the beer if that helps.
     
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