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Trading for a rarity just to trade it for something else?

Discussion in 'Beer Trading Talk' started by musicman7070, Jan 23, 2013.

  1. musicman7070

    musicman7070 Disciple (357) Aug 26, 2012 New Jersey
    Beer Trader

    I recently thought about this and was wondering what all of your views on this are. I thought the point of trading was to get non localized beers to consume and not just trade away for something else that you want. I would feel like I was being taken advantage of or something. I mean if I'm trading something to someone, im trading it thinking they really want it to drink not to just send away. It just doesn't seem right to me. What is everyone's thoughts on this?
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  2. JGates

    JGates Initiate (0) May 18, 2011 California

    In my opinion, the point of trading IS to get non localized beers to consume. But certainly not consume immediately. If someone trades x for y, and then trades y for z, he is still trading beer for something he could not get. Don't feel taken advantage of as long as you were happy with your trade.
  3. MasterCraft

    MasterCraft Initiate (0) Sep 2, 2012 Massachusetts

    Yeah I probably wouldn't feel that way unless I really hooked someone up, like sent a small brewery-only release for off the shelf locals, under the impression that they really wanted to try the beer I sent. But I would generally only do something like that with an established trading partner, where trading up wouldn't usually be much of a concern.
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  4. jsilva

    jsilva Initiate (0) Nov 10, 2009 Massachusetts

    Sometimes you trade for something then come across the chance to try it somewhere else. Then you can retrade for something you havent had and retrade.
  5. maximum12

    maximum12 Poo-Bah (3,352) Jan 21, 2008 Minnesota
    Beer Trader

    No offense OP, but this has been discussed many times. I'll cut to the chase:

    A. No, I'd never trade a rarity I traded for. That's stupid. Y'all who disagree are stupid.
    B. Yes, it's my beer. Once I trade for it, I own it. Y'all who disagree are commies (or socialists).
    C. Who cares, long as both original traders are happy. Y'all who disagree lose the Internets.

    This thread will probably go on for 47 hours & encompass nothing not noted above. If someone has an original thought on the subject, I'll be pleased & mildly excited.
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  6. JohnGalt1

    JohnGalt1 Poo-Bah (4,634) Aug 10, 2005 Idaho
    Beer Trader

    I make it a point to tell folks that I will not trade the beer they send me.

    It bothers me the few times where somebody appealed to my emotional side to get rare beer from me and then they turned around and traded it away almost immediately. I have also found beer that I traded people on Ebay. How do I know it was beer that I traded? Because people list the bottle numbers.

    I know that I should probably not care because those bottles are not mine anymore, but I feel like they lied to me to get something they would otherwise likely not have the ammo to pull out the trade.
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  7. Devi0us

    Devi0us Initiate (0) May 3, 2011 California

    I honestly could care less...Once your trade with the OP is completed, the beer is now the property of the OP...He could drink it, trade it, drain pour it, sleep with it, give it to Black Xantus for all I care as long as I was happy with the beer that I received...

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  8. musicman7070

    musicman7070 Disciple (357) Aug 26, 2012 New Jersey
    Beer Trader

    Sorry man. The thought was on my mind and just decided to post. I should have looked for previous threads such as this one before I posted.
  9. musicman7070

    musicman7070 Disciple (357) Aug 26, 2012 New Jersey
    Beer Trader

    I get what you and everyone else is saying, and I completely agree. I just get a lot of satisfaction providing people with beer they couldn't get otherwise. I guess I shouldn't be so sensitive to this issue. I suppose this happens more than I originally thought.
  10. pschul4

    pschul4 Zealot (562) Jan 7, 2011 Illinois
    Beer Trader

    Here is my take:
    You trade rare beer X for rare beer Y and give him rare beer Q along with local beers A,B & C as extras.
    1. He trades rare beer Y for rare beer Z => you have no reason to be angry, this was the agreed upon trade and he can do what he wants with his beer
    2. He trades rare beer Q for rare beer Z => Now you have a reason to be upset. You went out of your way to hook him up with a beer you thought he would like and your action was a pure act of generosity. I understand its still "his beer to do with what he likes" but its a DICK MOVE to trade away extras for personal gain

  11. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Savant (945) Mar 17, 2009 Massachusetts
    Beer Trader

    Seems ironic to say that since you traded the beer to that person instead of drinking it.
  12. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    Personally, I like to drink beer too much to re-trade it. Especially if it's something I have never had. What if it ends up being my favorite beer ever? If I had re-traded it before opening it, I would have never known...
  13. Rempo

    Rempo Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2010 Indiana

    Personally, I like to trade beer too much to drink it. Especially if it's something I have never traded. What if it ends up being my favorite trade ever? If I had drank it before trading it, I would have never known...
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  14. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    it's interesting to watch the trading forums and predict who the second coming of mikesgroove will be. i did pretty well in the deadpool last year, though i was way off about grumpyoldtroll. fucking deceptive username.
  15. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    This sounds awfully familiar... I think I'm going to contact my lawyer for possible plagiarism charges. Know any good ones?
  16. MADhombrewer

    MADhombrewer Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2008 Oregon

    I have never done it and won't. But, once it is your beer do what ever you want.
  17. GrumpyOldTroll

    GrumpyOldTroll Initiate (0) May 5, 2012 New Jersey

    A lot of people within the community have some sort of sub-hobby within the hobby (ticking, collecting, drinking, trading for the sake of trading, profit, some combination of these or others), so I think it's hard to generalize the point of trading for everyone and the various reasons why one trades helps keep things interesting. Whatever one's primary goal is, it's always best to be honest about intentions and sensitive to others' expectations about a deal, and obviously, some of those sub-hobbies are easier to reconcile with this than others. But if you're hiding something from your trade partner or otherwise distorting the truth, that's not cool.
  18. bryanole27

    bryanole27 Aspirant (227) Jun 24, 2011 North Carolina

    So do people that trade then go to the ISO:FT thread to see if their beer pops up? Really? I have about 15 completed trades and honestly every one of them could have re-traded those beers and I wouldn't even have known it.

    Who. Cares.

    I'm too busy drinking the beer I traded FOR to worry about the beer I traded AWAY.
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  19. jaIsPoAn

    jaIsPoAn Initiate (0) Aug 1, 2012 New York

    Who cares what "they " do
  20. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    interesting dichotomy between your avatar and your post.
  21. Etan

    Etan Initiate (0) Jul 11, 2011 Wisconsin

  22. tinypyramids

    tinypyramids Initiate (0) Jul 19, 2012 Illinois

    i remember the guy who traded things and eventually traded a paperclip up to a house. i hope one day to hear the legend of the one who turned a steel reserve tallboy into a dave.
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  23. BdubleEdubleRUN

    BdubleEdubleRUN Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2009 California

    That man would have to hold the longest winning streak in history
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  24. kmello69

    kmello69 Defender (617) Nov 27, 2011 Texas
    Beer Trader

    How about a guy who gives away the extras you sent him as extras? That one gives me a sad the most
  25. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    Thanks for making me actually look up dichotomy and disparity. Still trying to figure out which one is accurate.
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  26. Devi0us

    Devi0us Initiate (0) May 3, 2011 California

    What if Rare Beer Q is a style that you hate or know you won't drink then what? You're not allowed trade it for a style that you want or a beer that you're gonna drink withiut it being a DICK MOVE?
  27. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    I dunno about you, but I try to avoid sending styles my trading partner hates as extras, especially if it's a rarer bottle that I know someone else will really love...
  28. stxSS07

    stxSS07 Initiate (0) Nov 23, 2010 Illinois

    I just did this for my Sandy Hook LIF box. Kewl dood from MN sent me two Abrasives. Happily shared one with my fwend, saw AnnArborJoe had it on his wants, and tossed it in.

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  29. Devi0us

    Devi0us Initiate (0) May 3, 2011 California

    I try to send extras that my trading partners like as well I also use seekabrew to see what they can't get so I can send awesome extras...I also ALWAYS ask what styles that they like but I've had a few trades where I've recieved extras and was like "what the fuck"
  30. cfh64

    cfh64 Devotee (482) Aug 16, 2005 Texas
    Beer Trader

    The more I've traded the less I mind. It's becoming more common that I get extras that I already have plenty of or have had multiple times. If someone else has it on their wants or if I think they will enjoy it more than myself then I send it their way. Likewise, I don't know everything my trading partners have and haven't had. If I send them an extra and they in turn trade it for a beer they want more or give it someone who would really appreciate it than everyone wins. Either way, I made someone happy with a beer, hopefully :)

    There was one instance when I asked a guy who xtra'd me 2 Heady Toppers (actually I think it was NJOssie) if he cared that I wanted to send one of them to a noob trader I was dealing with. I felt bad because a.) I love the beer and b.) its an extremely nice gesture for someone to send HT as an extra but I knew it would makes this noobs day. NJOssie would have probably never found out but I have a guilty conscience like that. NJOssie was completely cool with it and the noob was VERY happy and appreciative.

    Edit: I actually think NJOssie thought I was a nut for asking him.
  31. kmello69

    kmello69 Defender (617) Nov 27, 2011 Texas
    Beer Trader

    I'd be cool too, if someone asked, but it rubs me the wrong way when I go out of my way to pick something local for someone that I know they havent had and couldnt get on their own, and then find out they gave it away rather than drinking it.

    Whatever, its their beer, but I dont have to like it. :)
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  32. JeepCop

    JeepCop Initiate (103) May 16, 2010 Kansas
    Beer Trader

    I generally try to trade for at least (x2) of a beer that I've never had before. If I like it, I've got another one on standby. If I don't, I'll trade it to someone that hasn't tried it or just wants it.
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  33. jrnyc

    jrnyc Champion (834) Mar 21, 2010 New York
    Beer Trader

    I agree, in the spirit of being a good trader I went above and beyond to trade something and they turned around and retraded it I wouldn't be happy.
  34. seplo

    seplo Disciple (376) Sep 8, 2009 Connecticut
    Beer Trader

    Couldnt have said it better...CHEERS
  35. maximum12

    maximum12 Poo-Bah (3,352) Jan 21, 2008 Minnesota
    Beer Trader

    Oh, not busting your nads at all. It just brings out the same arguments, but hey, probably from different people!
  36. pschul4

    pschul4 Zealot (562) Jan 7, 2011 Illinois
    Beer Trader

    Take it to a tasting. I just hate the idea of profiting off of someone elses generosity
  37. sandiego67

    sandiego67 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2008 California

    I have been getting a lot of multiple, easy to obtain extras from trades around the country lately. I have passed some of them along to other local traders that I trade with. I drink some and I pass some along. I don't see that as an issue.

    I also receive some obviously because they still have packing tape on them.
  38. cavedave

    cavedave Poo-Bah (2,063) Mar 12, 2009 New York
    Beer Trader

    I only trade for beers I want to drink. I could see the point of trading for a BIF box, but otherwise what is the point of trading, and spending the money we do, unless we drink the beer? Put another way, I work too hard for those beers I get in trade not to enjoy them myself.
  39. LostTraveler

    LostTraveler Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2011 Maine

    Just make sure you "win" every trade and it doesnt matter.
  40. UCLABrewN84

    UCLABrewN84 Poo-Bah (11,887) Mar 18, 2010 California

    This seems like a huge and expensive pain in the ass.
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