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Trading for Cantillon

Discussion in 'Beer Trading Talk' started by PoopChute69, Dec 11, 2012.

  1. Tnudish

    Tnudish Feb 16, 2012 Wisconsin

    Dude I'll take all the St. Lamnivus off your hands that you can pack and treat you very well. Hit me up :)
  2. huskermike12

    huskermike12 Nov 14, 2011 Vermont

    Unfortunately, it isn't in stock though.
  3. kscaldef

    kscaldef Jun 11, 2010 Oregon
    Beer Trader

    I think if someone is willing to do an international trade, they are also willing to order from Etre or Belgiuminabox. So, while those beers are hard to find in a store in the US, they aren't that difficult to order online.
  4. loony4lambic

    loony4lambic Nov 26, 2012 California

    Ive got the label with the pissing fountain. I like the Yellow label alot more, just a novelty outlook I guess. I think the ones I have are the Organic Gueuze, if not please correct me :)

    I also like the Old mash tun label, but never had a bottle when they used it.
  5. Tnudish

    Tnudish Feb 16, 2012 Wisconsin

    You have gueuze BIO bottles

    JAXSON Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Beer Trader

    Biggest noob thread ever right here
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    JAXSON Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Beer Trader

    You know they can be easily purchased from your computer, right?
  8. ArrogantB

    ArrogantB Jun 9, 2006 Colorado
    Beer Trader

    same thing
    Its all the same gueuze just a different label.
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  9. ArrogantB

    ArrogantB Jun 9, 2006 Colorado
    Beer Trader

  10. franklinn

    franklinn May 29, 2012 Vermont

    I don't think he has any idea
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  11. Tnudish

    Tnudish Feb 16, 2012 Wisconsin

    I'm aware it's the same exact gueuze, he was asking which bottles his was classified as though
  12. ArrogantB

    ArrogantB Jun 9, 2006 Colorado
    Beer Trader

    Classified according to whom?
  13. HenrikO

    HenrikO Jun 19, 2011 Sweden

    That's true, I didn't realize until recently that they deliver to the US. Belgiuminabox overcharges massively for the rarer stuff though, but I guess it doesn't matter if you really want the beer. How does the shipping compare to paying for a USPS box yourself (if you trade)? When I've ordered from Etre to the UK the shipping charge is €44 (recently increased from €30), which I find somewhat prohibitive.
  14. Tnudish

    Tnudish Feb 16, 2012 Wisconsin

    I don't know if this is a trick question or what? The Classic Gueuze label has the normal Cantillon guy falling over in chair logo while the Gueuze BIO label has the fountain pissing picture. It's the same gueuze, just labeled differently. He asked which his was, I answered him....
  15. robinsmv

    robinsmv Jun 24, 2010 Florida

    No, I get mine from generous BAs who throw them in as extras. I find it much easier then paying international shipping and dealing with those euro thingies.
  16. analbumcover

    analbumcover Nov 30, 2012

    Really? How do you go about this?

    Never mind, I like this idea better. Who are these people and how can I trade with them?
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  17. robinsmv

    robinsmv Jun 24, 2010 Florida

    I'm not sure if I can tell you. They are all members of a secret trading pact who throw around whales like they are mere guppies. I may have already said too much by speaking of their existence. The only other thing I can say without fear of their wrath is you do not want to piss off this group of trade mercenaries or they turn into BA assassins killing any trade that you could possibly win. They will purposely lose the trade themselves to beer block you.
  18. sarro

    sarro May 12, 2009 Michigan
    Beer Trader

    "euro thingies" /facepalm
  19. Jimmyp7010

    Jimmyp7010 Mar 13, 2009 New York

    Ted didn't we already hammer that one out a while ago, by the way i drank every bottle of Cantillon i traded for and it is always worth it. Always willing to trade for more Saint Lam, Vigneronne and Fou.
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  20. mikecharley

    mikecharley Nov 6, 2008 Pennsylvania
    Beer Trader

    I ordered a large (30kg, iirc) box from beer planet, and the shipping to the us was 94€ (!)
  21. sherm1016

    sherm1016 Aug 10, 2009 Wisconsin
    Beer Trader

    I actually thought the prices including shipping from Etre were pretty comparable to what we pay retail here in the US (if you would be able to find it o_O) . When I placed my order back in October, including shipping, it worked out to be roughly (in USD):

    Rose deG - $23
    Classic Bio - $18
    St. Lamv - $32
    St. Gilloise - $29
    Vigneronne - $29

    (since they were all 750ml bottles, shipping charges were allocated evenly across 10 bottles)

    Even if these prices are off by a buck or two, your time and headaches must be worth something.
  22. huskermike12

    huskermike12 Nov 14, 2011 Vermont

    That's actually even a little less than we pay in Iowa except for the Classic, so yeah, much better choice.
  23. sherm1016

    sherm1016 Aug 10, 2009 Wisconsin
    Beer Trader

    Yeah, I think if we were to apply shipping as a percent of the bottle prices before shipping, the price on Classic get much better. About $13 I think. But it seemed to make more sense to me to apply it as a flat amount per bottle, since I could sub in a much more expensive bottle of St. Lamv for the Classic and have no increase in shipping.

    EDIT: Just to reaffirm - we don't see Cantillon here in WI but once in a blue moon, so I really don't know for sure what the retail prices are.
  24. HenrikO

    HenrikO Jun 19, 2011 Sweden

    This actually seems pretty competitive. I consider my earlier question answered: there is no need to trade for non-whale Cantillon as you can just have them shipped to the US.

    Except if you need your fix when Etre/Belgiuminabox are out of stock, of course.
  25. sherm1016

    sherm1016 Aug 10, 2009 Wisconsin
    Beer Trader

    One cost that I did not build in, as it was not an issue: it is technically illegal to have alcohol shipped into the US for personal comsumption, unless it goes through a legitimate importer. As such, US Customs can and does seize shipments from Etre/BiaB. Not sure what the seizure rate is, but if, for example, it is 1 in 10, you would want to add another $2-$3 per bottle to account for seized orders.
  26. Hanzo

    Hanzo Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    Instead of trading for Cantillon I just made friends with LambicKing and started a tasting group with him in it. Much easier.

  27. huskermike12

    huskermike12 Nov 14, 2011 Vermont

    This is the main problem especially for things like St. Lam that is almost always out of stock when I look.
  28. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    Ugh - loon inflation these days is ugly... Classic Gueuze used to be an $8-$9 750, Rose/Kriek/Vign $13-$15... only Lamvinus was ever a $25-$30 bottle. And I'm only talking 2-3 years ago at these prices regularly on US shelves.

    If you're paying $30 for a bottle of St Gilloise, you're really doing lambics wrong... you can get a just as good (often better) bottle of Girardin or others for half the price.
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  29. sherm1016

    sherm1016 Aug 10, 2009 Wisconsin
    Beer Trader

    The Gueuzes that I have seen in Milwaukee in the last year (to the best of my knowledge, and I look pretty closely) are Hanssens and Tilquin. $10/375 or $20/750 for either, IIRC. Or course Lindemans Cuvee Rene at $5/375, and probably some Boon. Might also be able to find some St. Louis Gueuze Fond Tradition if I hunt for it, but I don't recall there being a recent shipment of that either.

    No Cantillon. No 3F. No Girardin. Some of that stuff hits Chicago, but when it does, it doesn't last long from what I can tell.

    It's very possible that St. Gilloise is not worth $30 a bottle. But how the hell would I know (or better yet, try it so that I can make that decision for myself).

    EDIT: Timmermans has been available in Milwaukee as well, at somewhere aroung $15-$20 / 750ml.
  30. kscaldef

    kscaldef Jun 11, 2010 Oregon
    Beer Trader

    Pricing on loons is all over the place these days. In the past year, I've paid anywhere from $25-35 for a St.Lam, $18-25 for LP. I've gotten both Classic Gueuze and Kriek for $13. And I was extraordinarily fortunate enough to get a FouFoune this year for a mere $20, half the price of ordering it from Belgium!
  31. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    Yeah, I'm not saying don't try it, I'm just saying this Cantillon craze is getting way out of control when people are paying $30 for a basic gueuze. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Cantillon plenty, but the other brands are 95-100% as good for a fraction of the price. People are now buying Cantillon just because of the name, which is silly. It's become a farce, really - look no further than these two beers, which are identical:

    The US label has a 4.32 while the Euro version has a 4.15. That difference is the American 'loon hype in numbers right there.

    I can appreciate that your local stores might not get everything, but if you're going to order online, you can order other brands just as easily for a lot less money. Girardin 750's are like $4 on Etre vs $20 for a Saint Gilloise.
  32. mrbubbler

    mrbubbler Jun 16, 2008 California

    Only problem is De Cam seems to be harder to get then cantillon. I would swap a case of cantillon gueuze for a case of De Cam gueuze any day of the week =)
  33. stupac2

    stupac2 Feb 22, 2011 California
    Beer Trader

    Alternatively, those two numbers are within the pDevs of each other and as such are not distinguishable.

    I think that people pay way, way too much attention to the headline number and not nearly enough to deviations/variances. It's entirely possible for differences that seem large to be utterly meaningless, as is the case here.

    Incidentally, even if the difference were meaningful there are other potential explanations (such as Europeans having more reliable access to gueuzes so rating them lower in general, Europeans rating all beers lower in general, etc).
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  34. HenrikO

    HenrikO Jun 19, 2011 Sweden

    Love me some De Cam. De Cam Oude Lambiek is made of pure WIN.
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  35. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    I love De Cam, but it's much more rare, and more expensive.

    Perfectly valid point, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that makes them indistinguishable. If people rated honestly to a 5 point scale, sure, maybe. But they don't, and damn near every halfway decent beer on this site falls within the same pDev range. Which is why many people ignore them. Otherwise you may as well just move to a thumbs up or thumbs down rating system.

    And yes, there, are many other potential variables at play. We'll never know, but given knowledge of the beer scene, there's little debate that there is a Cantillon hype boom going on at the moment, and with hype tends to come inflated ratings.
  36. Tnudish

    Tnudish Feb 16, 2012 Wisconsin

    All this lambic talk is making me thirsty....
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  37. sherm1016

    sherm1016 Aug 10, 2009 Wisconsin
    Beer Trader

    1. I've ordered 1 bottle of St. Gilloise, just to try it. If I turn around around and start ordering it on a regular basis, at that point we can have discussions on why it is a bad deal relative to other, similar beers on the market. Maybe it is just a "basic Gueuze." I'll decide for myself though, after trying it.

    2. Including shipping, Girardin Black Label on Etre would have been about $15 USD. Certainly a great deal relative to the St. Gilloise (assuming I agree that it is just a "basic gueuze"). Not as great of a deal over Classic Bio, or similar 3F offerings. All these things would need to be weighed and decided at the time of purchase, taking into account what you "want" versus what premium you are willing to pay over a similar, lower priced alternative.

  38. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    Fair enough. I just don't think most people are taking the same calculated approach as you. More like "OMG Cantillon is the best and all these other brands suck in comparison and I don't care how much Cantillon costs I need it all!"
  39. stupac2

    stupac2 Feb 22, 2011 California
    Beer Trader

    To be fair, their fruit lambics pretty much are the best, and if you want anything besides kriek and framboise often the only game in town.

    Freaking out about their gueuze is silly IMO. I'll buy it if I see it, but I'll also buy 3F. I'd probably buy Mariage Parfait too if I ever saw it, but I don't think I ever have (outside of the '03 that Toronado seems to have infinite bottles of). I've considered Hanssens a few times but they were even more absurdly priced than Cantillon, like $30 for a 750 of a gueuze or kriek. Pass.
    I don't think that conclusion follows. Everything has nearly the same pDev because the underlying forces that generate the distributions are nearly the same (even then they do vary), but I don't think we have a better tool for saying "here's the range of 'true' distributions for this beer".
    Sure, but that's true about pretty much every limited made by anyone at this point. Which is why I'm coming to the view that rating schemes are pretty much useless.
  40. HenrikO

    HenrikO Jun 19, 2011 Sweden

    Yet I rarely see people trade for De Cam? Is this because of the hype factor surrounding Cantillon, or again because you can order De Cam from Etre/BinaB?

    Anyway - less demand for De Cam means more for me, right? ;)
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