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Trappist Westvleteren 12 - Trade Value?

Discussion in 'Beer Trading Talk' started by caponeduke, Dec 12, 2012.

  1. caponeduke

    caponeduke Aspirant (239) Jul 28, 2011 North Carolina
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  2. buffs9

    buffs9 Disciple (396) Apr 28, 2008 Colorado
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    I think what people are going to say, including me, is that it's worth $85 in trade.
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  3. doopiedoopiedoo

    doopiedoopiedoo Initiate (0) Oct 2, 2010 Netherlands

    0.5 King Henry or 1/3 Rare
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  4. shuajw

    shuajw Aspirant (287) Aug 12, 2007 Georgia

    a 6-pack of supplication and two Russian River glasses
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  5. fredrik_

    fredrik_ Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2012 Sweden

    it's worth $4$ nothing else.
  6. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    Considering the hundreds of FTs about to pop up I would expect nothing more than $4$ for other limited distributed beer.
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  7. caponeduke

    caponeduke Aspirant (239) Jul 28, 2011 North Carolina
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    cool - I think I will pick it up as much as it hurts money wise. It will be posted soon.
  8. match1112

    match1112 Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2011 Illinois

    they make nice extras.
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  9. Knifestyles

    Knifestyles Initiate (154) Jun 7, 2005 New York

    Definitely not worth a case of Heady Topper...that's for sure....

    (especially since the bricks are making appearances in both Montpelier and Burlington.)
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  10. JulianB

    JulianB Initiate (0) Feb 1, 2012 South Carolina

    And so it begins...
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  11. robinsmv

    robinsmv Initiate (0) Jun 24, 2010 Florida

    Doesn't everyone know the bottles with printing on them aren't tradable? Now the ones straight from the brewery are a completely different story, they be walez bro and should trade for nothing less then an izzy.
  12. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    I think they're great extras. I send 4/6 of mine from a brick I got earlier in the year out as extras and my partners loved them.
  13. shuajw

    shuajw Aspirant (287) Aug 12, 2007 Georgia

    ISO: bucket of oxyclean
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  14. kscaldef

    kscaldef Initiate (0) Jun 11, 2010 Oregon
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    Westy 12 already didn't trade for more than $4$. (Where $ is roughly 15.) Anyone who wanted it enough could find it on Etre or BiaB periodically. The infusion of (from what I've heard) 42,000 bottles into the US market certain isn't going to increase the trading value.
  15. owen49

    owen49 Initiate (148) Jun 13, 2009 Ohio
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    I expect it will unusually easy to trade for this; I'm guessing a lot of people actually were forced to buy more than they wanted - the all-or-nothing 6 pack. I know that I probably would have been happier with 4 instead of 6.

    So unlike a lot of limited releases where people will typically buy only what they want (and what they want to trade), I'm sure a lot of these bottles are very much available.

    So good news if you're looking to acquire some, bad news if you want to use them as tradebait.
  16. dtmets84

    dtmets84 Aspirant (241) Dec 31, 2011 New York
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    I put one on 'hold' at beer pantry. It is 85 bucks + tax.. If any of you guys want it, shoot me a BM
  17. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Crusader (719) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    We just got bombarded with Westy 12 (which is why you can grab a 6 pack). It's trade value has never been lower.
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  18. Jnorton00

    Jnorton00 Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2007 Massachusetts

    You might be able to score a few bottles of BCBs. It seems like a metric shit ton of westy came here compared to BCBS.
  19. zac16125

    zac16125 Poo-Bah (1,786) Jan 26, 2010 South Carolina
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    Luckily, its oh so delicious, and better to be drank than traded anyways!
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  20. Greenplastic615

    Greenplastic615 Disciple (397) Nov 4, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    For the price, I wouldn't buy it if you're buying it exclusively to trade. If you're buying it to enjoy, it's delicious and holds up very well, so you could enjoy one or two now, and save the rest for some important days. :)
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  21. zac16125

    zac16125 Poo-Bah (1,786) Jan 26, 2010 South Carolina
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    Like $4$ locals? I disagree. This is one of the top 5 most wanted beers on BA,and it will almost certainly be sold out everywhere within a day of releasae. Im not saying its a whale, but at least give it $4$ with other limited releases.
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  22. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    I'd argue that it is *not* one of the top 5 most wanted beers on BA.
  23. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Crusader (719) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    No, it's going to go $4$ for shelf stuff for sure. Shelf stuff worth trading for, but shelf stuff nonetheless. (Surly, Pliny, Heady, Bourbon County, etc, etc)

    Westy 12 was not all that difficult to trade for previously, and most anybody who has actively traded for any significant amount of time has already had it. There are now tens of thousands of expensive 6-packs floating around, and many traders are going to be trying to unload 2-3 bottles to subsidize the cost. Supply in the trade forums will greatly outpace demand.
  24. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    ISO: Dave / FT: Westy brick, minus 1 beer and 1 glass so I could try it.
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  25. codysjb

    codysjb Initiate (0) Jun 16, 2010 Prince Edward Island (Canada)
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    Even if it is, the sheer volume of bricks that just came in make it trade for semi limited beers (bcbs, fbs) at best and regular locals at worst. So many were imported that if your on ba and wanted it you just had to apply the most basic effort to secure some. But im sure well still see a million ft:westy 12 iso: bcbs cherry, rare,... Which will get old fast. If anything id think westy 8 and blond are going to go up in value (as will 6).
  26. Bluecane

    Bluecane Initiate (0) Dec 30, 2011 New York

    I keep hoping that the "debacles" with Frangelic Mountain Brown, Bolt Cutter, Utopias, and Westy 12 will slow down some people speeding to stores to buy out and hoard new releases.

    New hoarders are probably coming at a faster rate than they can be "cured" by such mistakes, but maybe not.
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  27. BobZ

    BobZ Disciple (391) Jun 24, 2009 Massachusetts


    Plus a soon to appear "The Westvleteren in the Brick Package is not as good as the old Westvleteren" threads accompanied by a plummet out of the Top Ten (if not the Top 100) because the beer will no longer have the delicious "rarium" flavor it once had!:eek:

    After all, Morons be Morons! :p
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  28. brees6221

    brees6221 Initiate (0) Aug 4, 2009 Western Sahara

    Westy12 is definitely not one of the top 5 most wanted beers on BA. I don't know if there's an easier way to do this, but I took the long rooad and searched some of the big dogs for # of wants. If you use that and were able to compile a complete list, I'd say it might be in the top 10.

    1. Pliny the Elder 2986
    2. Kate the Great 2702
    3. Pliny the Younger 2599
    4. CBS 2351
    5. Darkness 2279
    6. Westy12 2257
    7. Heady 2173
    8. Dark Lord 2164
    9. KBS 2121
    10. Black Tuesday 2055

    This list is nowhere near official, I stopped once I found 5 with more wants than Westy12. :D I know we're off-topic at this point so to satisfy my curiosity I'm going to start another thread.

    Edit for anyone interested: http://beeradvocate.com/community/threads/beers-with-the-highest-number-of-wants.55189/
  29. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Crusader (719) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    Yeah, this is actually a good thing that people keep gobbling up releases that turn out to be in good quantities, low demand, and/or aren't that highly rated. Back in the day gots/wants ratio was a near perfect proxy for how hard it would be to obtain a beer. Something like Bolt Cutter with an inverse 1-to-3 shouldn't trade for anything but shelf locals. Nowadays that number is irrelevant compared to the hype of a new release.

    But you're right, there's a good chance that the market is growing faster than people can learn their hoarding lesson.
  30. JulianB

    JulianB Initiate (0) Feb 1, 2012 South Carolina

    FT: Westy XII brick ISO: x2 Cable Car plus some locals to match $4$
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  31. Franch

    Franch Devotee (445) Mar 22, 2011 District of Columbia
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    FT: westy 12 brick x2 + 1 extra bottle ISO: 2x brandy vanilla DL
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  32. drummermattie02

    drummermattie02 Initiate (0) May 10, 2009 Texas
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    I agree with all that you've said, although I consider Utopias far from such a debacle. Sure, the mouth breathers trying to trade it for $200 of actually rare beer are a bit out of their minds, but I think there are still plenty who think it's a great beer, limited (fewer bottles than King Henry, at least), worth paying for, and enjoy the hell out of it when they open it. Not hard to tell I'm in the latter group, but oh well.
  33. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Savant (945) Mar 17, 2009 Massachusetts
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    The only people left on earth who hasnt had this beer are noobs and people who don't trade. You should make out pretty well if you're trading with an idiot.
  34. zac16125

    zac16125 Poo-Bah (1,786) Jan 26, 2010 South Carolina
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    Sorry sixth. I was basing this off BA wants. Geez, tough crowd.
  35. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    BA wants? He just showed you BA's don't want this beer anywhere near top 5.
  36. Bluecane

    Bluecane Initiate (0) Dec 30, 2011 New York

    What I said can be true even if your second part is true, too. It's supposed to be a great treat, one that I would love to try one day, and very well may be worth paying for to drink. But I lumped it in there because it's recent, people tried and failed to get a bevy of big beer, and it was a costly mistake, one that would likely be successful in dissuading many from trying the same stunt in the future.
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  37. Knifestyles

    Knifestyles Initiate (154) Jun 7, 2005 New York

    Actually, wasn't King Henry ~12,000 bottles?

    SA stated that there would be ~15,000 bottles of Utopias this year...

    Not really agreeing/disagreeing with your statement, just suggesting that they aren't as far apart in rarity as one might think.
  38. Stinger80OH

    Stinger80OH Crusader (700) Nov 11, 2011 Ohio
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    Trade value should be what you paid for it, and since it should be 85 bucks everywhere, that should be the trade value
  39. nanobrew

    nanobrew Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2008 California

    For some reason I got a chuckle out of this, thinking of the hoards of new beer traders coming in as an endless sworn of zombies. You may take down a few, but for each one there are 10 more slowly creeping up on you. Where vets leaving the trading forum are survivors barricading themselves in bunkers, and their Mountain Dew and twinkie supplies are established trade partners
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  40. brees6221

    brees6221 Initiate (0) Aug 4, 2009 Western Sahara

    Hey, this is BA. You get what you paid for. ;) And again, I just stopped searching after I found enough to push it out of the top 5 to disprove your post. Was it a DICK MOVE? Sure, albeit a lighthearted one.
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