Trillium Brewing Company (November/December 2018)

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  1. NiceBeerCans

    NiceBeerCans Aspirant (247) Mar 16, 2013 New York

    (Moderation Note: As these threads get locked periodically, the recent Trillium accusations and subsequent discussion can be found here: Controversy Surrounds Trillium's Labor Practices, Former Employee Alleges Deceptive Biz Practices. Please keep this thread focused on brewery releases, etc. Thanks.)

    Available beers:


    Esther’s (JC’s awesome wife) instagram:


    Fort Point: 50 Thomson PL, Boston MA (new location)

    Cans, Bottles & Growlers To Go
    Beer On Draft
    Full Food Menu
    Public Transit Accessible
    Kid Friendly
    Event Bookings Available

    Canton: 110 Shawmut Rd., Canton, MA (has onsite parking lot)

    Cans, Bottles & Growlers To Go
    Beer On Draft
    Snacks Available
    Food Trucks
    BYOF (Bring Your Own Food)
    Parking Nearby
    Dog Friendly
    Kid Friendly
    Event Bookings Available

    On site pours at Canton tap room. Limit is lifted. Cheers!


    Fort Point

    Everyday: 11am-11pm

    Our Thomson Place restaurant and brewery opened in the fall of 2018, giving us the expanded presence in Fort Point that we'd dreamed of since opening our door around the corner just 5 years earlier. Our three story building features modern New England farmhouse inspired food created by Chef Michael Morway. We brew on site with both stainless steel fermentation and oak foeders. Guests may enjoy the expansive first floor taproom, second floor dining area, as well as our spacious outdoor patio and third floor roof terrace. Whether your local neighborhood spot or a destination visit, we look forward to sharing many of your life's special moments in our newest home.

    Canton (last call is 30 minutes before closing)

    Mon-Wed: 11am-7:30pm
    Thurs: 11am-9pm
    Fri-Sat: 11am-10pm
    Sun: 12pm-8pm

    Trillium Garden: Now closed for the season! (last call is 30-45 minutes before closing)

    Wed - Fri: 2-10p
    Sat: 11-10p
    Sun: 1-8p


    Wed-Fri: 4pm - 10pm
    Sat: 11am - 10pm
    Sun: 12pm - 6pm

    This season, we are planting roots at the historic Substation building in Roslindale Village. History, community, and impeccable craftsmanship are all evident in this special space. We are beyond honored to bloom at the Substation this winter.

    Last call in our taproom is 30 minutes before close!

    Note: New growler policy as of 7/23/17:



    Trillium Garden (see bottom of this post)

    Boston: Allston

    Deep Ellum

    Boston: Downtown/Fort Point/Charlestown
    Rowes Wharf Bar
    Row 34
    Worden Hall
    Neptune Oyster
    Brewer's Fork
    The Smoke Shop BBQ

    Boston: Back Bay/ South End/Fenway
    The Salty Pig
    Bar Mezzana
    Area Four
    Terra (Eataly)
    Five Horses Tavern

    Boston: Jamaica Plain
    Canary Square
    Vee Vee

    The Publick House
    Prairie Fire
    Stoked Wood Fired Pizza

    The Smoke Shop BBQ
    Area Four
    Alden & Harlow
    Russel House Tavern
    Five Horses Tavern
    Naco Taco
    Lone Star Taco Bar

    Dedham Oscar's


    Milton Steel & Rye

    Little Big Diner


    Waltham Moody's
    Watertown Branch Line

    Armsby Abbey
    The Dive Bar


    Redstone Liquors- Stoneham & Andover, MA
    Craft Beer Cellar- Belmont, MA (And Many Other Locations Throughout MA!)
    Streetcar Wine & Beer- Jamaica Plain; Boston, MA
    Mass Liquors- Worcester, MA
    Julio's Liquors- Westborough, MA
    Yankee Spirits- Sturbridge, Attleboro, and Swansea, MA
    Sturbridge - @yankeestur
    Attleboro - @yankeeattleboro
    Swansea - @yankeeswansea

    Marty's Fine Wines- Newton, MA (And Other Locations In The Boston Area!)
    Blanchards Wine & Spirits- Jamaica Plain; Boston, MA
    Pemberton Farms Marketplace- Cambridge, MA
    Urban Grape- Boston, MA
    Post Road Liquors- Wayland, MA
    Gordons Fine Wines & Spirits- Multiple Locations
    City Feed & Supply- Jamaica Plain; Boston, MA
    Quality Liquors- Salem, MA
    The Vin Bin- Multiple Locations
    Downtown Wine & Spirits- Haverhill, MA
    Brookline Liquor Mart- Brookline, MA

    Please note: We can't guarantee that our beer will be available at our partnership accounts at all times. Please click the website links above for current inventory at each establishment. Thanks!

    (old) News:

    "You guys like cans. A lot.

    ...we're pumped to announce we're changing the packaging format for all of our hop forward beers (and recently extended to some other styles too) from 750ml / 25.4oz bottles into 16oz cans!

    Batch sizes and case counts will go up as we get our legs under us.

    Cans will be available at both breweries, but please note we won't be able to split the cases evenly on the same day as packaging for logistical reasons (so fewer cases available in Boston vs Canton on day of packaging). Thanks on behalf of the whole trillium team for your support to help us achieve this incredible milestone."

    First two can releases in June (end of the month) were Congress Street and Melcher Street. Cans come in four packs but you can buy individual cans, if you like. Yes, the date is on the bottom.

    Trillium Can Spreadsheet:

    @jimmyfausto created this awesomespreadsheet. In his own words:

    I've been maintaining a spreadsheet for all Trillium can release information, including sell out times, hours/days available, and other notes. I know availability is a frequent topic here, especially for travelers and newbies, so I've made the google doc viewable by the below link. (Let me know if people have trouble accessing it)

    All sell out information is from Trillium's social media, unless noted. There have been rare occasions where they didn't post sell out times for a few beers, in which case I guessed the hours.

    Trillium Garden: Now closed for the season!

    Atlantic Ave & High St, Boston, MA 02110

    This beer garden is operated by Trillium on the Greenway. Serving beer by Trillium & wines by Westport Rivers Winery!

    Draft pours only. The Fort Point location is a short walk nearby for growler fills and bottle sales.


    Wed - Fri: 2-10p
    Sat: 11-10p
    Sun: 1-8p

    Please Note:

    Last call
    at the Trillium Garden is 30-45 minutes before close, pending capacity! We are open subject to weather, so please FOLLOW us on Twitter for closures & delays.


    FAQ Page
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  2. jimmyfausto

    jimmyfausto Initiate (47) Jul 28, 2014 Massachusetts

    Thought I lost this when the first thread was deleted. Shoutout to autosave. For those interested:

    I saw that Trillium recently released their 500th canned offering. Below are some stats from my spreadsheet covering that time. 500 beers released in cans from June 20th 2016 through October 29th 2018. 145 unique brands have been packaged in cans in that time.

    General Stats
    Least can releases in a full month: 12 (February 2017)
    Most can releases in a full month: 24 (August 2017)
    Average ABV: 7.35%
    Average 4pk cost: $18

    Average # of brands available per day: 8.1
    Least: 1 (6/20/2016)
    Most: 15 (11/21/2017)

    Style Breakdown
    Belgian Strong Pale Ale 3 (0.6%)
    Black DIPA 1 (0.2%)
    Blonde Ale 1 (0.2%)
    Blonde Barleywine 1 (0.2%)
    DIPA 144 (28.79%)
    Double India Wheat Ale 1 (0.2%)
    Golden Ale 1 (0.2%)
    Gose 8 (1.6%)
    Imperial Brown Ale 1 (0.2%)
    Imperial Stout 10 (2%)
    IPA 168 (33.6%)
    Kolsch 4 (0.8%)
    Milk Stout 2 (0.4%)
    Oatmeal Porter 8 (1.6%)
    Pale Ale 114 (22.8%)
    Saison 15 (3%)
    Session IPA 1 (0.2%)
    Sour Ale 1 (0.2%)
    Stout 7 (1.4%)
    TIPA 4 (0.8%)
    Wheat Ale 5 (1%)

    Most common beer
    Congress St 23
    Mettle 22
    Vicinity 21

    Average Availability

    13.00 days Boston. 12.92 Canton

    Shortest Availability – Boston
    Headroom 2017 - 0.43 days
    Dial Up The Seven Digits - 0.54 days
    Headroom 2018 - 0.625 days

    Shortest Availability – Canton
    Headroom 2018 - 0.29 days
    Headroom 2017 - 0.31 days
    Never & Again - 0.3125 days
  3. mgp

    mgp Initiate (82) Jan 30, 2010 Massachusetts

    Thanks, @jimmyfausto! This summary, along with your spreadsheet, is massively appreciated.

    I wonder what this will look like in a year or two. Now that they've opened the restaurant, I'm guessing they will be casting a wider net to appeal to people that don't like hoppy beers (believe it or not, they do exist). I don't think it's a coincidence that they just released a Hefeweizen.
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  4. Glider

    Glider Devotee (467) Nov 15, 2004 Massachusetts

    I think you're right. The Hefeweizen release tweet said it was the first in a "family of classic styles" to be released. And before the Hefeweizen, they had a Helles and Pilsners on tap.

    The $10/4-pk is a nice price, too. Sounds good to me!
  5. joberlander

    joberlander Disciple (320) May 30, 2014 Massachusetts

    joberlander said:
    Perm 57 is in a whole different class.
    Click to expand...
    Please elaborate.....

    #150 DanPing, Tuesday at 9:32 AM

    For DanPing, Perm 57 is one of the best beers I've ever had. There was nothing I would change about it, so I put that in the highest tier of beers where right below are the pastry stouts I mentioned. They are still phenomenal beer, but Perm 57 blew my mind.
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  6. debokle

    debokle Initiate (24) Feb 20, 2017 Massachusetts

    Really love the new fort point location. Great location, beautiful building, staff is friendly and professional from day 1, glassware is great, even the new FPPA reminded me of the softness on the backend which the old FP bombers exhibited.

    Only wish they had a vegetarian option as an entree. Tried the brewers bowl, and while it was tasty and would be great as a lunch plate, it wasn't filling as a dinner plate ought to be. Otherwise it's a great experience, kudos to JC, Esther, and the Trillium team.
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  7. nolanz14

    nolanz14 Aspirant (255) Aug 31, 2009 Massachusetts

    I bought 2 cans for $5.20 and have to say it was a tasty and refreshing beer. A nice departure from the hop bombs and you could have several at a time.
  8. TangoJuliet

    TangoJuliet Aspirant (286) Apr 2, 2014 New York

    I'm doing a run on Tuesday and then going over to TH. I've only had 4 Trillium beers so I'm pretty noobish to them. Is there anything on their can list that is a must have?

    The hefe sounds like an amazing deal. $10/4 pack how do you say no to that??
  9. spersichilli

    spersichilli Initiate (52) Apr 26, 2018 Florida

    Congress Street is the quintessential trillium IPA so I’d snag that. I really enjoyed DDH Scaled last time I had it too. Besides that get a mix of stuff, they’ll split up 4 packs for you
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  10. TangoJuliet

    TangoJuliet Aspirant (286) Apr 2, 2014 New York

    cool a couple mixed 4 packs is probably the way I'll go! Thanks!!
  11. folkstar

    folkstar Initiate (97) Sep 28, 2017 Rhode Island

    Did anyone notice the last batch of ddh Congress (September) tasted really different , and off? Like an extra astringent aggressive hop bite and much thicker? Didn’t taste like that back in June , so I don’t think it’s new fermentation ...even a month later I had to struggle to get through a can. Nowhere near as enjoyable as before
  12. GonzoHomebrewer

    GonzoHomebrewer Devotee (455) Sep 15, 2012 Massachusetts

    First thing I noticed about beers with the "new fermentation process" was a heavier body.
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  13. dbphoto04

    dbphoto04 Initiate (44) Nov 22, 2015 Massachusetts

    The wife and i went to Trillium for dinner last night and it had to have been one of the most underwhelming meals i have ever had for the price. I wouldn't recommend the restaurant to anyone that is looking for a good meal out.
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  14. bostonwolf

    bostonwolf Initiate (144) Jan 20, 2015 Massachusetts

    I'm guessing the beer garden on the Greenway is going to move on to another brewer next year.

    I don't see why Trillium would be involved going forward when their own beer hall/restaurant is less than a mile away.
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  15. AirBob

    AirBob Defender (632) Jul 15, 2014 Massachusetts

    Wonder if it'll be the same deal with NS beer garden by the Hatch Shell? I'm thinking both would want to hold onto the additional capacity - seems like there's plenty of demand for beer gardens considering how many were added/expanded around the area this summer.
  16. Mpom9999

    Mpom9999 Initiate (1) Aug 25, 2018

    Curious to hear the details of your experience. My wife and i were thinking of going in the few weeks.
  17. JimmyCandles

    JimmyCandles Initiate (24) Nov 20, 2017 Massachusetts

    It’s overpriced. The food is fine to good but the portions are small for them charging a premium restaurant price.

    The space is beautiful, the service we had was great and the pours were somewhat fairly priced, the stouts could’ve come down a little bit.

    Let’s not overreact, when i think of Trillium I wasn’t expecting a fine dining destination, i will be back to drink, but not to eat unless the pricing is decreased. I would say worth checking out though.
  18. dbphoto04

    dbphoto04 Initiate (44) Nov 22, 2015 Massachusetts

    You are being way more generous then i would be for what we spent.

    We got 3 quarter sized pieces of cheese with 3 equally small pieces of bread for $21 and a server who dropped them on our table with no explanation of the cheese or the accoutrements. Also i think the "jam" was welches grape jelly.

    we got overpriced bone marrow that was awesome and the highlight of the meal.

    Lastly when we asked to order the pastrami sandwich she failed to mention when we sat down that they were out of it so we settled for a burger that was over cooked and crumbled when we tried to split in 2 and a server that couldn't have cared less and dropped it on the corner of the table away from both of us. We actually sent this portion of our meal back.

    As a "we are sorry your entree was bad" gesture we got 2 comped 4oz pours of BA trillbomb! which, had i not already paid $13 for a 10oz pour would have been awesome, but i didn't need 4 more ounces of it. Also had they looked at our bill would have seen we already ordered it.

    I wasn't expecting a "fine dining destination" but i was expecting a touch above Friday's for the price i was paying and I'm not sure thats what i got.

    I will be back to buy beer, maybe have a pour but i will never eat there again.
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  19. chipawayboy

    chipawayboy Devotee (449) Oct 26, 2007 Massachusetts

    Bummer. Going Thurs w my wife. We have a pretty broad tolerance for expensive or less than perfect brewpub food....but given the location and my wife’s appreciation for R34 — she’s got some expectations. I guess we’ll see what happens. It is early - hopefully they take feedback and make adjustments. They have such a stellar track record brewery wise - I’m betting they’ll tweak the food experience part of the new set up.
  20. mhull

    mhull Initiate (90) Apr 11, 2008 Massachusetts

    Glad to see the cellar Sunday allotments of their stouts are still good for about 16 people total. Sold out at 20 minutes of opening.
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  21. RuckIt

    RuckIt Initiate (195) Apr 29, 2008 Massachusetts

    Tiramisu? They had at least 4-5 cases at each location, and if you arrived by open (or earlier) you got one.

    I get complaining if their regular releases were like this, but come on - it's a small drop of a beer that they brewed once, 8-months ago. If you really wanted it, you could have gotten it with minimal effort.
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  22. dogdrule

    dogdrule Initiate (128) Jan 11, 2018 Massachusetts

    It's a pretty established pattern by now that these cellar sunday stouts are available at single-digit case limits, and in the past have drawn a big enough lines for bottles to be accounted for before the doors open. I walked into Fort Point 5 minutes after open and got a bottle, and the fact it wasn't sold out/accounted for before doors opened speaks to the fact that re-releasing these stouts in small quantities at a time rather than all of the remaining bottles on a single day means the hype dies down with every subsequent reappearance and people stand a better chance of getting some without having to arrive an hour before open to stand in line. It's frustrating to have these bottles sell out so quickly after open, but it's more frustrating to have to stand in a long line on the one single day the entire remaining allotment of a bottle you really wanted is released and potentially miss it if it sells out, or know you've missed your shot entirely if you weren't able to go that particular day. It's kinda nice knowing if you wait a few more months it'll likely show up again, even if it means you can't stroll in at 2pm
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  23. mhull

    mhull Initiate (90) Apr 11, 2008 Massachusetts

    My gripe is more around the created scarcity each time they put a few cases up on cellar Sunday so it sells out in 20 min. I went to the first one and told myself I wasn't going back but my dumb ass was there at 12:05 yesterday and got shut out.
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  24. lansdowne24

    lansdowne24 Initiate (58) May 30, 2012 Massachusetts

    An important thing to keep in mind with any new restaurant is that there are going to be missteps. In the first 3-4 weeks, there is a 100% chance that issues will arise, and the good ones will work to fix them.

    I went with my girlfriend and two close friends of ours on Saturday. The experience was certainly not flawless, as two entrees came out at least 15-20 minutes later than the first two. Kind of awkward. However, the manager came out to explain the delay, and then came out again to give us the same extra glasses of Barrel-Aged Trillbomb that were mentioned above. Most places are too discombobulated to even figure out the issues, let alone attempt to repair them in their first week. The food is generally expensive, but on par with the area. Our meals were solid all around with the BBQ Pork stealing the show for us. I would certainly eat there again, albeit only for special-ish occasions. Most nights I will also go to Shake Shack or maybe Pastoral for food.

    If you're expecting something closer to "Trillium great" as opposed to "craft beer good", then going on the opening weekend is ill-advised. It's best to keep expectations low while new establishments work out their inevitable issues.
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  25. dbphoto04

    dbphoto04 Initiate (44) Nov 22, 2015 Massachusetts

    people should not be expected to keep expectations low when they are paying $17 for a burger, especially not during the opening week. Service should be spot on during that time. Employees should be at the top of their game as this is everyones first impression. The food should be cooked to perfection and if its not, it shouldn't leave the kitchen.

    I saw JC yucking it up with some friends in the private dining room right behind us while people were getting free 4oz pours of BA Trillbomb! because the service was so bad. Just saying...
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  26. Sweatshirt

    Sweatshirt Disciple (320) Jan 27, 2014 New Hampshire

    Most restaurants worth a damn over staff, keep table sections tiny, and over train well before they open the doors. It minimizes mistakes and they go overkill on comps when mistakes do happen. First impressions are everything. The bar in Canton was where it became clear the standards Trillium sets for employees just aren't all that high. They need to raise thier own standards and expectations not have the customers lower thiers.
  27. nolanz14

    nolanz14 Aspirant (255) Aug 31, 2009 Massachusetts

    Definately. The Congress St I bought last week drinks more like a DIPA.
  28. cmoney13

    cmoney13 Initiate (92) Sep 9, 2017 Massachusetts

    I hope no new restaurant or bar expects their customers to come with this attitude. Let's face it: Trillium can afford these missteps because they are immensely popular. Which is fine, more power to them. Some would also argue their immense popularity is a key cause of these issues, but I would reject that as it's not like they don't know their own popularity at this point.

    Do patrons get their choice of a free pour when Trill screws up or it's trillbomb or else? Because I probably wouldn't want a huge, high abv stout most of the time. I'd kind of find it insulting, to be honest.
  29. Al_Bundy

    Al_Bundy Initiate (62) Jul 27, 2014 Massachusetts

    I hate to say cause I love trillium. However, the new fermentation profile or whatever changes were made are dreadful. Some of the best beers I've had from anywhere now cost a huge premium for beers that are sweet and feel like a rock in your stomach once complete. Please go back to the profile that made trillium what it was. I dont need 10 more lactose beers.
  30. dbphoto04

    dbphoto04 Initiate (44) Nov 22, 2015 Massachusetts

    We weren’t offered anything, they just brought out trillbomb and as I mentioned we had already had it and paid full price for it. Would have much rather had the other dessert beer they had on the draft list if given the option.
  31. folkstar

    folkstar Initiate (97) Sep 28, 2017 Rhode Island

    The new profile really makes me much less excited about trillium as a whole
  32. BigStein88

    BigStein88 Aspirant (287) Nov 5, 2007 New Hampshire

    To each their own, but anyone who writes something off from one experience just makes no sense to me. It would be great if we were all perfect on our first try. It would really be something if any new place (brewery, restaurant or whatever) could meet everyones expectations on their first try. Read these forums and it won't take long to see that this is an absolutely impossible dream. We live in an imperfect, but hopefully always improving world, don't go back if you don't want but changes do get made.
  33. 7irondave

    7irondave Disciple (383) Jun 22, 2016 Massachusetts

    My personal opinion on fermentation profiles:
    Bottles > current fermentation profile > previous fermentation profile
  34. jtads122

    jtads122 Initiate (66) Feb 11, 2014 Massachusetts

    Wow, that's surprising. My wife and I went on Saturday and thought the food was phenomenal. I got the pumpkin bisque and then the bbq pork and both were incredible. I would be surprised if I went back and didn't get both again, they were that good. We shared the burrata and both thought it was great. My wife got the fried chicken and she really liked it as well. We've been to a lot of the nicer restaurants around Boston too and really enjoyed Trillium's food. To each their own though.

    Even though they don't do flights, I appreciated how the bartender said we could try anything on draft before deciding what we wanted to drink.
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  35. Al_Bundy

    Al_Bundy Initiate (62) Jul 27, 2014 Massachusetts

    Totally agree I find myself buying less and branching out to smaller breweries when I used to be at trillium regularly.
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  36. dbphoto04

    dbphoto04 Initiate (44) Nov 22, 2015 Massachusetts

    I posted a more detailed review. It wasn't that the food wasn't good, the bone marrow was awesome, the cheese was good just wish there was more of it for the price and the burger was a fail. The food ranged from bad to great, but the overall experience was what really underwhelmed me.
  37. Rysk22

    Rysk22 Initiate (184) Nov 12, 2014 Massachusetts

    Still wish they would have provided a little color on why they made the change aside from, "we think it tastes better..."

    Was it to get back to characteristics of previous profiles? Just an evolution? Either way, a very interesting move considering almost everyone loved the beers as they were.
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  38. Phineasco

    Phineasco Crusader (776) Sep 4, 2016 Massachusetts

    Have they brewed perm 32 again? I can’t keep track of the island and lighthouse beers, but Perm 32 was great.
  39. EnronCFO

    EnronCFO Devotee (497) Mar 29, 2007 Massachusetts

    Seriously, used to buy Fort Point and Congress St growlers, bottles and cans regularly. Two of my all time favorite beers. Then they started brewing bigger batches and all the non-Street IPAs and that weird Trillium hop burn started to show up in all of the IPAs. Figured the new fermentation profile was aimed at calming that and it did I guess, but jesus did it muddle the flavors of the beers. Stripped out the bitterness and just made the beers less interesting. Never thought of it as heavy but makes sense.
  40. Woody1180

    Woody1180 Initiate (142) Sep 18, 2012 Massachusetts

    Went for lunch Saturday and was pretty Meh. Place was beautiful and clean and beers were great but food was underwhelming. Burger ordered medium rare was cold in the middle. Took a few bites around the edges finished wife's chicken sandwich. Didnt want to bother sending it back, after that initial cold bite I just didnt want another burger and didnt want to deal with the drama of sending back. Will go back to drink but no reason to do dinner there with so many other options around
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