Trillium Brewing Company (November/December 2018)

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  1. folkstar

    folkstar Initiate (146) Sep 28, 2017 Rhode Island
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    I respectfully disagree— this is more than a subtle change: I’ve noticed their beers are much thicker , much sweeter and actually less flavorful— the unique hop flavors are totally Buried and muddled in the background.

    Nothing pops flavorwise, other then a mixture of bitter and sweet , kind of like taking a handful of jolly ranchers and mixing it with a handful of garlic cloves.
     
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  2. egrandfield

    egrandfield Aspirant (299) Mar 19, 2018 Massachusetts
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    Yeah, but this makes sense if what I said holds true. You may be in the part of the population that can taste the difference more than the rest of the population can. Tbh, if their brewers are actually reading this thread, there's probably going to be an impetus to either change back or brew two versions of some of their mainstays. I particularly am indifferent. To me, the beers are just full-bodied.
     
  3. Resuin

    Resuin Meyvn (1,280) Jun 18, 2012 Massachusetts
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    I took my family (everyone was in town for the holidays) to the Trillium Restaurant Saturday Night and was a little nervous (despite the fact that my experience has been great there every time) because they are pretty picky, and everyone loved it.

    We had reservations for upstairs and were seated right away and everyone loved their food. They have added a bunch of new options to the menu. We had poutine, oysters, and chips & dip to start (all were excellent but on the smaller side). I, once again, got the burger and it was incredible (pic below) - cooked medium rare as requested and caramelized on the outside. Someone else had the lobster roll and said it was one of the best they’ve had. The service was very friendly and attentive as well. I tried the new Night and Day variant, and it was definitely spice/pepper heavy, so be aware of that if you order it. While the downstairs is always packed and loud, upstairs is much quieter which was very nice. If I had one tip for the restaurant it would be to add wine, as my dad still doesn’t like beer.

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  4. Sweatshirt

    Sweatshirt Disciple (328) Jan 27, 2014 New Hampshire

    Why they just didn't create a new line for the new yeast and grain combos and leave the others the same is beyond me.

    Had to be a cost cutting move. They found a hammer and everything looked like a nail.

    I loved some of the new yeast beers but didn't ever want fort point or Congress to change. They ruined a good handful of beers for me.
     
  5. Rysk22

    Rysk22 Aspirant (208) Nov 12, 2014 Massachusetts
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    I would love for them to brew a Congress St or some other core beer and split the batch into the old and new ferm profile to let us taste them side by side
     
  6. parg0

    parg0 Initiate (48) Feb 22, 2018 Massachusetts
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    Glad to hear you had an enjoyable time, as all my previous experiences there had been pretty good until yesterday. I should clarify that overall I think they've got a great spot, just need to work out the kinks to provide a consistent experience. I have faith that they'll get there, though it'll probably take some time/growing pains.
     
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  7. egrandfield

    egrandfield Aspirant (299) Mar 19, 2018 Massachusetts
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    Honestly, this would be great. Settle the issue once and for all.
     
  8. Sweatshirt

    Sweatshirt Disciple (328) Jan 27, 2014 New Hampshire

    I mean, the change over wasn't with beers that were a distant memory. This happened in real time. I had an old fort point draft when I went to buy perm 32.

    I know the trope here is that taste memory is bad but I don't need a side by side to know that a beer (fort point/Congress ) I had many gallons of changed for the worse.
     
  9. Rysk22

    Rysk22 Aspirant (208) Nov 12, 2014 Massachusetts
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    Oh I know it’s changed. I would just like a evenly fresh side by side comparison
     
  10. Shyla987

    Shyla987 Initiate (106) Jul 18, 2013 Connecticut

    This argument always makes me cringe. You shouldn't have to be a brewer, or pizza maker, or coffee roaster, etc., to have an opinion on this stuff. It's bullshit to say that the criteria for having an opinion on a product you consume is that you first have to have intimate knowledge about making that product.
     
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  11. mhull

    mhull Initiate (103) Apr 11, 2008 Massachusetts

    If past history is any indicator your 2nd point is spot on.
     
  12. egrandfield

    egrandfield Aspirant (299) Mar 19, 2018 Massachusetts
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    Well, yeah, actually, I think it does. If you have the balls to actually go out there and risk startup capital on a risky venture to make a product people may or may not like, you're entitled to a much greater opinion than some asshole sitting at the bar ordering the stuff.
     
  13. Newport_beerguy

    Newport_beerguy Zealot (551) Feb 24, 2011 Rhode Island

    I enjoyed Gay Head Lighthouse immensely but came into it with no expectations, and the new fermentation works out very well in this case. It also helps add a balance to Dialed Up and other high octane beers so I don't feel insane acidity in the back of my throat like what happened with previous DDH and TIPAs. However as mentioned the new fermentation absolutely takes away the character of all of the standard IPAs/pale ales.

    IMO it was decided around the time of Never & Again that they needed to mute and soften their beers a bit, however like Sweatshirt said instead of having the usual process for standard beers and the new process for high octane selections, the cost effective move was changing everything over.
     
  14. oldbean

    oldbean Disciple (343) Jun 30, 2005 Massachusetts

    You could not be more wrong about this.

    I mean, you could mortgage your house and put your absolute heart and soul into opening a restaurant that serves poop sandwiches, but they'd still be poop sandwiches. No amount of personal sacrifice or experience or whatever could possibly validate your opinion that poop sandwiches are actually tasty and nutritious.
     
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  15. parg0

    parg0 Initiate (48) Feb 22, 2018 Massachusetts
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    Nobody is "entitled to a much greater opinion." We're all here to discuss our differing viewpoints and even the most uninformed opinion can provide new light from a different perspective. There are no high horses here.
     
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  16. egrandfield

    egrandfield Aspirant (299) Mar 19, 2018 Massachusetts
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    1. We're talking about Trillium, which is not serving shit beer, so I find your argument does not apply to this example.
    2. If you mortgage your home to sell an objectively shitty product, you must have an uninformed opinion, so oldbean is essentially contradicting you. I agree with his point in the sense that if you are a neophyte at a sophisticated craft, the startup capital and sacrifice don't mean as much. The refined argument is that if you 1) are making a personal sacrifice to 2) create a product which is objectively superior, you are entitled to a greater opinion than the average dilettante.
     
  17. oldbean

    oldbean Disciple (343) Jun 30, 2005 Massachusetts

    I mean, it's just a tired argument. The best film critics aren't directors, the best car reviewers don't manufacture cars. Being a creator is one thing, being a critic is another, and they're both valid. This should be the oldest of news. Go do the required reading.
     
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  18. Newport_beerguy

    Newport_beerguy Zealot (551) Feb 24, 2011 Rhode Island

    Brewing just to gain approval from other brewers and not serving your prospective customers is a GREAT business plan. Brings to mind those brewers who first poo pooed the NEIPA craze and 5 years later they are putting out a crappy version.
     
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  19. egrandfield

    egrandfield Aspirant (299) Mar 19, 2018 Massachusetts
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    Yeah, and I still disagree with you. Siskel and Ebert's opinions mean nothing to me.
     
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  20. oldbean

    oldbean Disciple (343) Jun 30, 2005 Massachusetts

    1. I think it's pretty well established that the owners of Trillium have done anything but make a "personal sacrifice". They've made millions doing this, which I think is the opposite of a sacrifice. So I guess they deserve less of an opinion?

    2. "Objectively superior"? Objective? According to who? Superior? To what?
     
  21. oldbean

    oldbean Disciple (343) Jun 30, 2005 Massachusetts

    That's Gene Siskel and Roger Ebert to you, buddy.
     
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  22. egrandfield

    egrandfield Aspirant (299) Mar 19, 2018 Massachusetts
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    I think you answered your second question with your first. Obviously they didn't make millions on their first batch brewed, so people had to actually learn about the brewery and then subsequently buy the beer. The reason that people have bought into Trillium in a city that's almost overcrowded with great breweries is because it's objectively superior. You can't sell skunked bud in a growler and expect people to go to Fort Point to pick it up. Their success in this market is the marker of their being objectively superior.
     
  23. egrandfield

    egrandfield Aspirant (299) Mar 19, 2018 Massachusetts
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    Yeah, according to this forum's discussion it has as little value as yours does :wink:
     
  24. oldbean

    oldbean Disciple (343) Jun 30, 2005 Massachusetts

    LOL. That must make Bud Light objectively the best beer in the world.
     
  25. egrandfield

    egrandfield Aspirant (299) Mar 19, 2018 Massachusetts
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    Thank you for the correction, they still doesn't matter to me.
     
  26. egrandfield

    egrandfield Aspirant (299) Mar 19, 2018 Massachusetts
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    I said 'success in this market'. AB has been around for over a century. That's a quote taken out of context. Bud could come along and dominate in a market far less competitive than this one.
     
  27. oldbean

    oldbean Disciple (343) Jun 30, 2005 Massachusetts

    Yeah but the world cared about their opinions because they actually knew what the fuck they were talking about.
     
  28. egrandfield

    egrandfield Aspirant (299) Mar 19, 2018 Massachusetts
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    The world cared about their opinions because YouTube hadn't rolled out yet, so the suppliers of video film reviews were limited. If they were to launch the same program today, no one would watch.
     
  29. gclaw4444

    gclaw4444 Initiate (85) Jul 30, 2015 Massachusetts
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    I think you mean a more informed opinion.
    On the other hand, if you have capital in a risky venture then you're less likely to be honest in your reviews because it might end up hurting you and your company.
     
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  30. egrandfield

    egrandfield Aspirant (299) Mar 19, 2018 Massachusetts
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    Good point. I think someone who has that risk on the line would have an internally more unbiased opinion, but if it were negative, they'd be less likely to share because of business reasons. The main idea here is that it's hard to really judge something that borders on art without having done it yourself or having experienced the entire process.
     
  31. abagofit

    abagofit Initiate (174) Oct 31, 2014 Massachusetts

    Cold poutine is not good, obviously, but so far as the cheese curds are concerned, proper poutine is supposed to have whole chewy curds, not melted. Just a fyi.
     
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  32. nesarebad

    nesarebad Devotee (448) Feb 4, 2012 Massachusetts

    It’s a new system, gotta give them time to get the poutine dialed in.
     
  33. nesarebad

    nesarebad Devotee (448) Feb 4, 2012 Massachusetts

    Respectfully, have to say you mean changed for your worse. There are certainly people who like the new profile better.
     
  34. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Meyvn (1,087) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts

    I would say the overwhelming majority are of the opinion that their core beers changed for the worse.

    I think I might start a poll.
     
  35. drebrew

    drebrew Aspirant (238) May 8, 2013 New York

    A poll is a good idea, but I wish there was a site where we could see reviews/ratings.
     
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  36. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Meyvn (1,087) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts

    You could look at the recent reviews of their beers since May. But the overall rating won't reflect recent ratings. Especially for some of their core beers that have been around for years.
     
  37. trsC

    trsC Initiate (66) May 5, 2013 Spain

    Wouldn't it make sense that since they're already running out their marine line of IPAs alongside their more terrestrial street series that they could reserve a "fermentation profile" for each? Maybe the lineup could even attain some sort of metaphorical meaning as well -- the viscosity and general lack of potability of sea water as representative of the similar qualities of the new profile?
     
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