Under appreciated/under produced beer styles

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  1. BottleCaps80

    BottleCaps80 Defender (606) Jan 12, 2013 Iowa
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    Just had a bottle of Freigeist Abraxxxas the other night, which is the best Berliner Weisse I've ever had. I love the balance of yeasty wheat, with a tart/sour finish and it got me wondering why more breweries don't brew this style of beer. It is a very approachable style with a lower ABV that would make it a good intro into craft beer for newbs, yet still have the depth and complexity to attract craft beer lovers (especially the Abraxxxas, which has a slight smokey/peaty taste too). It just seems like an under appreciated beer style.

    What are some other beer styles you don't see many breweries making, which you would like to see more of?
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  2. bleakies

    bleakies Devotee (400) Apr 11, 2011 Massachusetts

    I'd like to see more American brewers take a stab at making an English-style bitter that weighs in at no higher than 4.0% abv.

    Failing that, I'd like to be able to find more English-proper bitters at my local beer emporia. But alas, what I've read here and elsewhere indicates that it's not a style that travels well.
  3. Domingo

    Domingo Poo-Bah (2,192) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    Abraxxxas might actually be a spin on a Gratzer more than a Berliner.

    Personally, I want to see more dunkels. For some reason schwarzbiers are relatively popular with American craft brewers, but dunkels are few and far between. I never understood that. IMO, they're far more approachable for both normal craft drinkers and macro converts alike.
  4. ablackshear

    ablackshear Initiate (130) Sep 17, 2010 Colorado
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    IPAs and barrel-aged stouts
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  5. tectactoe

    tectactoe Initiate (0) Mar 20, 2012 Michigan

  6. joeebbs

    joeebbs Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2009 Pennsylvania

  7. Providence

    Providence Initiate (0) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island

    In before someone that is inexplicably afraid of lagers comes in and says "In before the lager crowd shows up!"

    EDIT: Maibock/Hellsbock and Czech Pils
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  8. mecummins

    mecummins Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2012 Illinois

    I'd love a wider selection of good domestic Saisons.
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  9. BottleCaps80

    BottleCaps80 Defender (606) Jan 12, 2013 Iowa
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    I'm not familiar with the Gratzer style, so you very well may be right that it is more similar to that than a Berliner Weisse. The bottle actually calls it a "Smoked Lichtenhainer Weisse" and the description on the bottle says it is in the Berliner Weisse style. Either way, it is an excellent German Wheat, that's for sure!
  10. josefiak

    josefiak Initiate (152) Jun 9, 2011 Washington
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    Smoked double IPA.

    Hoptaneous Combustion blew my mind.
  11. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Meyvn (1,382) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan

  12. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Meyvn (1,165) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Come to Colorado, seems like everyone is brewing them here, Hell, even Spoetzl will have one out this spring...

    Back on track though, weizenbock. I haven't seen too many around outside of the german beer section of the bomber rooms. I would love to see some american interpretations.
  13. jman005

    jman005 Aspirant (258) Jan 21, 2013 Kentucky

    Belgian IPA. Would like to see more of these.
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  14. BottleCaps80

    BottleCaps80 Defender (606) Jan 12, 2013 Iowa
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    Great info. Thanks for the link!

    I'd love to see more breweries doing that Lichtenhainer/Berliner Weisse style of sour wheat beers. Amazing style! Too bad it is almost an extinct style(s)....hope they make a booming return.
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  15. Thorpe429

    Thorpe429 Poo-Bah (5,394) Aug 18, 2008 Illinois
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    Things have gotten quite good here in the U.S. with Hill Farmstead, Upright, Tired Hands, and others, but I would still love to see more.

    I would love to see more low abv offerings in general, particularly including kolsch, "American Bitters," and berliner weiss. Low abv saisons are fantastic as well.

    Finally, I would really like to see more American breweries starting to experiment with true spontaneous fermentation.
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  16. BottleCaps80

    BottleCaps80 Defender (606) Jan 12, 2013 Iowa
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    Agreed there are more and more US breweries making quality Saisons. Two more to add to the list are Stillwater Artisanal Ales and Funkwerks
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  17. jmw

    jmw Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2009 North Carolina

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  18. ehammond1

    ehammond1 Initiate (0) Jul 4, 2008

    Thorpe mentioned some above, but Logsdon definitely deserves a mention as well.
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  19. mecummins

    mecummins Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2012 Illinois

    Apparently I need to copy down these Saison suggestions and see what's available near me. Thanks for the info!
  20. kojevergas

    kojevergas Poo-Bah (7,678) Aug 15, 2010 Texas
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    Kellerweiss. I was damned impressed with New Glarus' offering.

    Patersbier/Enkel. No one makes them. No one seems to want to recognize their existence. We recognize Dubbel, Tripel, and Quadrupel, but not Enkel? I'd love to see a local offering in the vein of Chimay Doree.

    Braggot. I've only had two; one was excellent, one was pretty good.

    Irish Dry Stout. There's no love for it outside of the auld country, especially from U.S. breweries. Of course, I'd say the same thing about Irish Reds and Cream Ales. Does no one else love Kilkenny?
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  21. TheSixthRing

    TheSixthRing Poo-Bah (2,780) Sep 24, 2008 California

    I'd love to see American breweries tackle, and get right, Hefes and Dunkelweizens. Sierra Nevada did right with the Kellerweis, I'd love to see them mass market a dunkel based off that recipe.
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  22. Thorpe429

    Thorpe429 Poo-Bah (5,394) Aug 18, 2008 Illinois
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    I would say Stillwater (absolutely love Premium, Table Beer, and Brian's BA stuff), but Funkwerks hasn't wowed me with anything as of yet. I didn't have an exhaustive list, just mentioning some of my favorites. On the funky side, of course Jolly Pumpkin gets a big mention as well. And, as Eric mentions below, I was reckless in leaving out Logsdon, one of the best. I'm also a huge Oxbow fan.

    Yes, absolutely Logsdon. Thank you.
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  23. Tschnab

    Tschnab Defender (640) Aug 21, 2010 New York

  24. ESeab

    ESeab Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2013 New Jersey

    India Brown Ale
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  25. abcramer

    abcramer Disciple (348) Feb 6, 2010 Pennsylvania

    Mild and other session beers.
  26. kneary13

    kneary13 Initiate (0) Jan 30, 2010 Massachusetts

    prob IPA, Double IPA, imperial stout....

    ok seriously though - +1 on milds/sessions and German style beers.
  27. DarkDragon999

    DarkDragon999 Aspirant (285) Feb 13, 2013 Rhode Island

    The other day I saw Brooklyn irish Dry Stout for sale and I was going to pounce on it but I ultimately passed.
  28. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (2,367) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Munich Helles
    Munich Dunkel

    more top quality versions on draught, please!
  29. TNGabe

    TNGabe Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2012 Tennessee

    Don't let them get you too excited. Most of those breweries either don't distribute or have very limited distribution, Stillwater being the exception.

    I'd say I wanted more Biere de Garde, but I've never had a domestic BdG that was any good. I'd really like to see a good biere de mars, too. With saisons finally gaining well deserved popularity amongst drinkers and brewers alike, hopefully more breweries will realize they have yet to explore the malty side of farmhouse ales.
  30. PEIhop

    PEIhop Crusader (752) Dec 2, 2010 Massachusetts
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    Berliner Weiss
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  31. FlakyBiscuit

    FlakyBiscuit Initiate (0) Sep 11, 2012 Pennsylvania

  32. MammaGoose

    MammaGoose Initiate (0) Jan 10, 2013 Wyoming

    As has been mentioned, I'd like to try and become familiar with more of the German styles.

    I'd also like to try a wider array of lagers. I know Jacks Abby, and perhaps a few others, specialize in lager varieties. I'd like to try more of it. As with many craft drinkers, I'm an ale drinker 99% of the time. But I'm still confident that lagers can be just as exciting, there just aren't that many exciting ones out there. So, while perhaps they're not very traditional styles, I'd like to see more breweries experiment with beers like India Pale Lagers, smoked lagers, black lagers, etc.
  33. brian4beer

    brian4beer Initiate (130) Jan 27, 2013 Indiana
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  34. reverseapachemaster

    reverseapachemaster Aspirant (244) Sep 21, 2012 Texas
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    Maybe not under-produced but I wish there were more saisons, or at least more saisons available in my area.

    Generally it seems German styles are under-produced. Sure, there are lots of hefes and pilsners but fewer dunkelweizens, alts, bocks, etc. out there.
  35. Ri0

    Ri0 Poo-Bah (2,591) Jul 1, 2012 Wisconsin
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    Move to Madison WI. Every brewery seems to make a Maibock here.
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  36. Ri0

    Ri0 Poo-Bah (2,591) Jul 1, 2012 Wisconsin
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    Capital Brewery in Madison WI. That is all.
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  37. Ri0

    Ri0 Poo-Bah (2,591) Jul 1, 2012 Wisconsin
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    Black IPA's and Rye Beers, but I think these are catching on more.
  38. FlakyBiscuit

    FlakyBiscuit Initiate (0) Sep 11, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Send me some in PA. :slight_smile:
  39. cid71

    cid71 Initiate (149) Mar 2, 2009 New Jersey

  40. jamiejohnson

    jamiejohnson Aspirant (220) Aug 4, 2007 California

    The really true smoked beers like the master Aecht Schlenkerla Rauchbier

    It's been years since I've had it, but maybe Alaskan Smoked Porter makes the grade.
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