Updates to Changes: Beer Hads, Full Reviews & Ratings

Blog Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by Todd, Jan 10, 2013.

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  1. aasher

    aasher Grand Pooh-Bah (4,471) Jan 27, 2010 Indiana
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    Can we get a Retired Top 100 soon? Wishful Thinking? :wink:

    That's been my only true consistant want for two years now, aside from DDG
     
  2. Jeffo

    Jeffo Pooh-Bah (2,850) Sep 7, 2008 Netherlands
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    I really think the quality of the reviews is what seperates this database from Ratebeer. Thanks for helping keep it that way.

    Jeff
     
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  3. liamt07

    liamt07 Initiate (0) Jul 26, 2009 Canada (ON)

    On any brewery's main page, it still lists the total number of ratings as "Revs" (Reviews). Any thoughts as to whether to adopt listing total ratings for this page or just full reviews?
     
  4. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Grand Pooh-Bah (4,092) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona
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    Well, I kindly suggest a value of something like .10 for 'hads' compared to a full review, or something similarly diminished. :slight_smile:

    In the other thread people noted that it isn't a theoretical point to note that people will "review bash" by just slamming beers with 1's or 5's quickly, because it was pointed out that people are already doing this. This will be inevitable with such a quick & easy 'had' scoring system. And I think it will be much tougher to police because of the vast quantity of 'hads' that will exist, increasing numbers of people using the 'hads' feature (especially once the app goes live too), and a suitably low score weighting will diminish the negative impact on beers' scores.
     
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  5. barleywinefiend

    barleywinefiend Initiate (0) Nov 22, 2007 Washington
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    Minimum Characters for Full Reviews (250)
    THANK GOODNESS!!
     
  6. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,254) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Hads and Full Review averages are actually very close for most beers.

    I believe we've also witnessed some 1 bashing and 5 hyping with Full Reviews before all of this too.
     
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  7. Thorpe429

    Thorpe429 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,655) Aug 18, 2008 Illinois
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    What's the point in making it so that a person can't update hads quickly? If someone has a few beers at a bar and wants to update later, is there really a point in limiting how quickly that can be done?
     
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  8. morimech

    morimech Grand Pooh-Bah (3,779) Nov 6, 2006 Minnesota
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    Weight the Hads (I suggest .25) compared to reviews and I would be very happy with everything else that has been done so far.
     
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  9. 05Harley

    05Harley Initiate (0) Feb 8, 2008 New Hampshire

    Nice revision guy's, digging on going back to the 250 characters and as always thanks for listening and including us users.
     
  10. chinabeergeek

    chinabeergeek Pooh-Bah (1,837) Aug 10, 2007 Massachusetts
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    can you post the comparison figures for the "top beer" lists?
     
  11. MarcatGSB

    MarcatGSB Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2011 Michigan

    I like that you can now rank things in quarters when reviewing a beer, that is a nice touch.
     
  12. nickfl

    nickfl Initiate (0) Mar 7, 2006 Florida

    I like the updates! Recently a lot of things that had been bothering me since the forum redesign last year have been improved. I am especially looking forward to the improvements that you have promised with the site redesign.

    One more request, when the app comes out, please do not be one of those websites that prompts me to download the app every time I visit the site on my iPad. An app for the phone is one thing, but I have absolutely no interest in an app or "mobile version" of a website when I'm using my iPad and I'm amazed at how many websites seem to want to cram one down my throat.
     
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  13. woosterbill

    woosterbill Pooh-Bah (2,733) Apr 6, 2009 Kentucky
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    Great news! I'm so, so glad that full reviews are back to the default view, and that full reviews still have to be longer than a tweet.

    Cheers!
     
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  14. JohnnyHopps

    JohnnyHopps Grand Pooh-Bah (3,036) Jun 15, 2010 Indiana
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    And all is right with the world again. (except beer costing money). Glad to see the clutter of the "Hads" is gone. Thanks!!!
     
  15. GennyCreamAle

    GennyCreamAle Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2009 New York

    Im a little fuzzy on the term ticker, its derogatory? Just because someone uses the scoring system with the written review does that automatically mean you're not a ticker? You sir have reviewed 1000+ beers...that's like 3 times as many as I have ever had in my life. Perhaps you're a ticker?
     
  16. chinabeergeek

    chinabeergeek Pooh-Bah (1,837) Aug 10, 2007 Massachusetts
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    compare BA full reviews with untapped and ratebeer. it's night and day. people like yemenmocha take time to actually evaluate a beer and write his reviews. meanwhile at ratebeer, it's literally a competition for who "ticks" the most beers - they list rankings of who has "reviewed" the most beers. i put "review" in quotes deliberately.
     
  17. duceswild

    duceswild Pooh-Bah (2,046) Feb 8, 2010 Heard & McDonald Islands
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    To the Bros: Can you please look into the time between entering hads. I am sure I am not the only one in this group that takes notes either on paper, on my phone, or even mentally if just a few beers when at tastings or the bar then enters them all at once when I'm back on the website in front of the computer. I understand wanting to prevent spamming the site with a ton of hads quickly but you can at least let me enter more then 1 or 2 a minute.
     
  18. gcamparone

    gcamparone Pooh-Bah (2,057) Dec 6, 2011 Rhode Island
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    Nice changes, thank you! Definitely keep it at 250 character min. I hate reading cursory reviews!
     
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  19. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,145) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    You can tell the tickers by if they review with a notepad or phone while they drink 2 oz samples, and make sure to get every one into their databank. Take a look at ratebeer for ticker style reviews. Sure one can tick and give helpful, BJCP reviews done with full pours and careful consideration, but that is not an issue with me in terms of the usefulness of their review in making my buying choices.

    People can tick all they want, more power to them. It is when they post that they think a number, or a review saying the equivalent of , "Really brown beer, some foam on top, nice smell, malty, good taste, malty with some hops, and some excellent carbonation, I recommend it" should be weighted the same as a "real" review that I have an issue . One feels almost stupider after reading a review from most tickers.
     
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  20. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,703) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    This is a small and unrelated suggestion, but something to consider for the site redesign: instead of drop down boxes for selecting a score 1 through 5 - for Hads AND Reviews - I think it would be more attractive to have a horizontal scale and slider. The default would naturally be at '3' - defeating the argument that negligence is why there are so many Hads scored as 1's. This would also be an improvement on the clunky appearance of the drop down boxes, especially since the list of numbers has grown considerably (which I like).
     
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