I recently traded a vertical (5 year abyss) and i traded it for cost. I have a 3 year vertical of hunahpu that I am trading. My question is, do verticals get higher than actual cost in trades, since it is harder to obtain the older vintages? My hunahpu cost 60 for the 3 beers. Is it $4$ or is their an increase to the value for the vertical? I ask because i traded for a vertical of BCBS (2007-2011) recently and traded for higher than what the original sales price was. Is this a case by case basis? Thanks.
I've seen it all over the place, with the $4$ even, or unbalanced on one side or the other. This is probably yet another instance of just having to work it out with one's potential trading partner.
Try not to think of it as a money thing, try to think of it as a value or rarity thing. Older beers are more in demand in many cases, so you could use older vintages to land tougher Wants. When you start to wonder out loud how much your beer is worth in dollars, you're going to get a lot of negative feedback.
It totally depends on what the person is trading. If you are just asking for common shelf beer then I think it's pretty normal to ask for more than the cost of your beers. If you are trading for equally rare things then the $4$ should stay even.
You took it the wrong way. I am not wondering about the cost. I was only wondering if it is a normal thing, since I traded for a vertical of BCBS and paid more than what it was sold to the trader for. I was happy to do it. So, in that case, it did not matter to either party if he paid $2 or $20 for the beer. I was happy to spend more than what it may have cost at the time of him buying it, since I could never get it elsewhere. What I was curious about is if it is a hard fast rule that verticals are valued higher, or if it is a case by case basis, based on the demand of the other trader. Thanks for the answers everyone. So, I pretty much take it as that it depends on both the beer offered (common beers will not increase in value, even if it is a vertical) and the traders desire to obtain the beer.
$4$ people have varying opinions. myself, i don't care about verticals. i care about tough to get, properly aged, cellarable beer. e.g. abyss 07, 08, both more valuable than 10 and 11 (all more valuable than 09). but combining any of the 4 doesn't make any individual bottle more valuable to me. to put it another way, if someone decided to "kill me with extras," and sent me a 7 year bigfoot vertical that was missing 1 year, i would be exactly as happy (which is quite happy, b/c i love aged bigfoot) as if the vertical were "complete". i think of verticals as a way to gauge how long to age a beer, and when drank all together as a very mild novelty. if bigfoot is best with, say, 5 years on it, why would i want a vertical? i'd rather 5 bottles of 2008 bigfoot, or 3 2008 and 2 2009, you know what i mean?
will probably not increase in dollar value, because lots of people are "strict $4$-ists," but like to keep "rarity" or some other thing equal. (e.g. you trade me abyss 08, i trade you KBS + locals to match $4$) other people don't care about $4$ at all. but do they care about cellaring beers? it varies. personally, i'd "trade higher" for abyss 08 than abyss 10. this could mean greater-than-$4$, increase in "rarity", or just me bending over backwards when finding extras because i think the trade is lopsided in my favor.
It depends what the beers are and who's considering the trade, for me, old Hunapuh's are worth less than the fresh ones in terms of trade value. I've had that beer fresh and one aged a year, and the new ones just have more pop.
That is a good point. I always love a good vertical since I enjoy having people taste multiple years of a beer at once. Thanks for the post, this is exactly what i was interested to see. To you, a vertical does not increase the value of the beer traded. That is what I wanted to know. I wanted to get a consensus to see what other BA people think about verticals. Thanks again.
and that is fine. I am usually firm on $4$ as well. I do the same. I always do $4$ (unless I am absolutely desperate for the trade to happen, like my BO trades and the BCBS trade, where I will trade higher than $4$ to get it done). In those cases I send either higher valued beer or better / more trades. I think we are on the same page. Thanks!
It's really pretty dependent on the specific trade, you just gotta talk it out but generally, I feel that a 3+ year vertical is worth at least slightly more than shelf price.
When I trade my full Bruery "12 Beers" vertical you better believe I am gonna be looking for more than $4$.
Code: sqrt((p / y) ^2) ---------------- = n (p / y) p = total price of all beers y = number of years in vertical n = $dollars your vertical is worth
It's like any other beer. Rarity for rarity. If the rarity is off, then it is pretty common to go over $4$.
