Vintage BCBS Questions

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  1. Dontcounttoday

    Dontcounttoday Devotee (456) Apr 23, 2010 Illinois
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    I am looking to trade in the near future for some vintage BCBS and I want to clear up a few things.

    1. What is the specific bottling date/s for 2007 bCBS made in PvW barrels?

    2. What is the last year bottles used twist off caps?

    3. Was 2009 the only vintage that came in 22oz bottles? It was also on 12oz I assume?

    4. Are there any specific bottling dates from any vintages known to be infected?

    If you have any other noteworthy and nfo about vintage BCBS please leave it here, and thanks!
  2. sherm1016

    sherm1016 Initiate (194) Aug 10, 2009 Wisconsin
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    1. ?

    2. 2008

    3. Yes and yes.

    4. Not that I've ever heard of, other than some reporting off flavors in Rare BCBS.
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  3. Dontcounttoday

    Dontcounttoday Devotee (456) Apr 23, 2010 Illinois
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    Thanks for the reply! About the twist off question, are you saying that 2009 is the first year they used regular bottle caps?

    Also, how will twist off caps affect oxidation and aging?
  4. sherm1016

    sherm1016 Initiate (194) Aug 10, 2009 Wisconsin
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    2009 is the first year they had pry off caps.

    My 2008 BCBS has been really tasty recently. If there's any oxidation, it's the tasty kind. It's been a few months though.
  5. MHowdy

    MHowdy Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2012 Michigan
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    Wasn't aware that any BCBS was aged in PvW barrels other than Rare of course
  6. chronie

    chronie Initiate (0) Aug 1, 2011 Illinois
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    I was under the assumption that the 2006-2007 bottles were using Jack Daniels barrels. You should also consider PM'ing Ken H, the communications manager for Goose Island.
  7. Dontcounttoday

    Dontcounttoday Devotee (456) Apr 23, 2010 Illinois
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    I believe you are correct, but there was one bottling (at least one, pretty sure only one) that was made in PvW barrels. I am 90% sure it was those with the bottling label "101207." I am just wondering if that is the only one. For instance, I have a 2007 bottle with the bottled on label reading "1011207" and I want to be sure its not PvW barrel aged. Perhaps I will message him, thanks!
  8. DonDonson

    DonDonson Initiate (166) Dec 5, 2006 Wisconsin
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  9. Dontcounttoday

    Dontcounttoday Devotee (456) Apr 23, 2010 Illinois
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    I would also like to ask, what the hell is Manhatten BCBS and was it legitimately bottled?
  10. FlssmrBrewAlum

    FlssmrBrewAlum Aspirant (204) Feb 25, 2009 Illinois
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    I don't think a "Manhattan Barrel" exists.

    The beer was aged in a Four Roses barrel that Violet Hour then used to barrel age their own Manhattan cocktails in for 8 weeks. TVH's Manhattan recipe was composed of Weller 107 Bourbon, Punt e Mes Italian Vermouth and Angostura bitters

    After all that, Goose Island filled the barrel with their Imperial Stout.
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  11. Dontcounttoday

    Dontcounttoday Devotee (456) Apr 23, 2010 Illinois
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    I see. Was just curious as I just saw pictures of bottles hand written "Manhatten Bourbon County Stout" on them. Interesting but I dont think I will be looking for that one
  12. claaark13

    claaark13 Zealot (504) Nov 29, 2007 Indiana
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    I found the 2007 to be holding up quite well as of early this year (February?). I don't know the previous storage conditions (received in a trade), but I had it at room temp on my "drink now" shelf for about 6 months. Tasted very, very good. Lots of fudge, some vanilla, no heat, still had some nice lacing evident.
  13. MaxSpang

    MaxSpang Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2011 Ohio

    I'm pretty sure 2009 was that last year for twist-offs. I had a 2009 recently that was a twist-off.
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  14. sherm1016

    sherm1016 Initiate (194) Aug 10, 2009 Wisconsin
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    You could be correct. I'll have to look when I get home. I might just be getting confused with the label change, which I know was 2009.
  15. foobula

    foobula Initiate (0) Dec 14, 2009 Illinois

    I'll just mention that '03-'05 were pretty faded when I had them at a tasting on St. Patrick's Day. '06 and later were holding up very well.
  16. kenoftheyear

    kenoftheyear Initiate (0) Sep 20, 2005 Illinois

    Also, we switched from Jim Beam barrels to Heaven Hill barrels in 2006
  17. Rempo

    Rempo Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2010 Indiana

    I still haven't seen confirmation that the 10/12/07 bottling date was PVW-only and not a blend. Just sayin'.
  18. MarcatGSB

    MarcatGSB Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2011 Michigan

    Laffler and a local restaurant were playing with some ideas and actually aged Manhattans in the Four Roses barrels, sold the manhattans at said restaurant, then aged BCBS in the barrels, and you are correct my friend, it was tasty at FoBaB.

  19. Dontcounttoday

    Dontcounttoday Devotee (456) Apr 23, 2010 Illinois
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    Yes I found that page awhile ago and while it does seem generally accepted that 101207 is the bottling date for PvW there is nothing definitive state. Was hoping Kenoftheyear might have some insight. Another person in that thread asked about the same bottling date as what I have which was just 1 day prior, 101107 and if that might also be PvW barrel. Also are ALL the bottles from 101207 PvW?
  20. weatherdog

    weatherdog Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2007 Illinois

    Some bottles do exist, but they are basically for 'internal use only' and very likely will never see the light of day outside of the brewery.
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  21. Dontcounttoday

    Dontcounttoday Devotee (456) Apr 23, 2010 Illinois
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    So I didn't notice in Ken's reply he answered all my questions in the quote. He states that only Rare was ever made in Pappy barrels, and no '07. There's also an open trade thread where this is being discussed and most have come to the conclusion that he is is correct as he works for GI.
    I do not know Ken and do not think that he is lying, but how long has he worked for GI and what does he do? Is it possible he just never heard of regular bcbs being brewed with Pappy? It makes a big difference in trades so it would be good to be sure.

    Also the guy that is trying to trade a bottle is trying to contact the brewery but who knows if he will find someone with that specific knowledge. Any definitive proof one way or the other would be appreciated though
  22. HugePrnceFan1999

    HugePrnceFan1999 Initiate (32) Nov 30, 2011 Indiana

    Barrels are blended, so even if any Pappy barrels were used, their contents would have been blended with other types of barrels.
  23. sleuthdog

    sleuthdog Devotee (429) Oct 21, 2008 Illinois
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    I had one of my 2008 BCBS last a word phenomenal!
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