Discussion in 'US - Northeast' started by oxide, Mar 26, 2012.

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  1. oxide

    oxide Initiate (0) Apr 22, 2011 Vermont

    I stumbled onto this bracket that a local Burlington, VT newspaper is circulating. They've been asking people to vote on a bunch of Vermont beers until they find the greatest one. In the quarterfinals, they're actually pairing Double Sunshine against Trout River. Similarly, they pair Switchback against Edward. What is most unbelievable, I believe, is that Switchback is preferred over Edward. Also, Woodchuck cider is leading over Heady Topper by 2:1! Let's see if this changes over the coming days. Maybe some helpful BA's will help shift the polls.

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  2. jbertsch

    jbertsch Poo-Bah (1,549) Dec 14, 2008 Massachusetts
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    good lord... completely random matchups that make no sense
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  3. yankeefan287

    yankeefan287 Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2012 Pennsylvania

    The fact that Woodchuck is even in the bracket disgusts me. I don't know what kind of shananigans are going on here, but it's completely invalid in my mind.
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  4. bryanole27

    bryanole27 Initiate (0) Jun 24, 2011 North Carolina

    Funny I just had a friend of mine from Vermont just emailed me this. I voted, and I think the BA community needs to step in here and 'correct' this madness!! VOTE PEOPLE!!
  5. seanwhite

    seanwhite Initiate (0) Jan 31, 2008 Massachusetts

    Oh who cares! It is for the general public, leave the good stuff for us. The less people who know about our good liquids the better. The last thing we need is someone who doesn't care about beer buying cases of heady topper and selling them on the ebay....
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  6. youbrewidrink

    youbrewidrink Initiate (0) Apr 9, 2009 Vermont

    I was completely floored when I saw this this. These results are indicative of the demographic of this fish wrap.

    Most of the Birkenstock wearing readers of this rag wouldn't know a good beer. Please vote to correct this injustice
  7. Brad007

    Brad007 Poo-Bah (3,961) Mar 28, 2007 Vermont

    I hate it! There's no way Woodchuck should be going up against HT! That spot should be reserved for something from Hill Farmstead (Ephraim) or Lawsons (Double Sunshine or HopZilla).
  8. oxide

    oxide Initiate (0) Apr 22, 2011 Vermont

    It's already unfortunate that some of Zero Gravity's (including the TLA, a Lawson's collab) were kicked out by Rock Art and Trout River. I respect them, but come on. You can't have semi-finals of the BEST Vermont beer with Trout River Rainbow Red, Long Trail Ale, Switchback, and Woodchuck Cider.
    Now that's just frightening.
  9. oxide

    oxide Initiate (0) Apr 22, 2011 Vermont

    Haha that's awesome. You're right, though; it's a bunch of liberal yahoos up here. But to be fair, quite a few of the tree huggin', Birk-wearing pseudo-hippies generally advocate for the good stuff. It's the old men that like Switchback, and the 18-20 crowd that think Magic Hat and Long Trail are the greatest things since sliced bread.
  10. Brad007

    Brad007 Poo-Bah (3,961) Mar 28, 2007 Vermont

    Good point but the folks who put together this bracket should have done some more research on beer. They could have spoke to either Jeff Baker or Chad Rich if they wanted advice on what beers to pair up, etc.
  11. LostTraveler

    LostTraveler Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2011 Maine

    "Heady Topper is in a can, no good beer is in a can. Woodchuck is better"
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  12. oxide

    oxide Initiate (0) Apr 22, 2011 Vermont

    Jeff actually posted it and it showed up on my Facebook feed. That's where I saw it first. I don't usually resort to reading 7 Days.
  13. FrankLloydMike

    FrankLloydMike Devotee (400) Aug 16, 2006 Massachusetts

    "No good beer is a cider!" would be a good response, even though I like a good cider like Farnum Hill.

    I'm actually impressed that there are solid--and some stellar--options available still in all the brackets. This is open to the general public, and even in Vermont, that means that most people will know more about Magic Hat than Heady Topper, let alone something as hard-to-find as Lawson's.
  14. jamvt

    jamvt Disciple (395) Aug 5, 2005 Massachusetts

    i think you also need to take availability into consideration, and rightly so. How can you vote for a beer that is on draft less than a dozen locations and sells out off-premise in minutes.
  15. oxide

    oxide Initiate (0) Apr 22, 2011 Vermont

    I agree that distribution and everyday availability are two factors that have to be considered. It would be a bit unfair to name something like Society & Solitude #3 as the "best" overall beer. Maybe the tastiest, but you would have to drive a number of hours to get a growler of it. On the flip-side, Heady Topper is distributed throughout the state and is not hard to find. Hundreds of people are willing to ship it FT. Its up to the voters to decide, but it still seems ridiculous to have a finals bracket potentially consisting of Rainbow Red and Switchback. Leaving whales like HF out of the equation, it's a tough to argue that Long Trail Ale or something similar is the best beer in VT.
  16. jamvt

    jamvt Disciple (395) Aug 5, 2005 Massachusetts

    I agree with the sentiment of the thread. Just playing a little Devil's Advocate. If anything it just shows how small a percentage of everyday folks drink higher-end craft beer.
  17. jacksback

    jacksback Initiate (0) Jul 20, 2011 Massachusetts

    People will vote for things they know, and it's a lot easier to get Long Trail, Magic Hat, and so on than it is to get things like HF, Lawsons, and even Heady. Most people will just choose the best option in front of them instead of searching and researching.
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  18. patrick802

    patrick802 Initiate (0) Mar 16, 2010 Vermont

    dude are you racist or are your gucci's ontoo tight? i think your coment about birkenstock wearing readers is way out of line.
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  19. jamvt

    jamvt Disciple (395) Aug 5, 2005 Massachusetts

    racist? probably not. ignorant? possibly. seven days is about as a good a free local newspaper as you're going to get.
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  20. kinopio

    kinopio Aspirant (267) Apr 30, 2009 Massachusetts

    It annoys me that somehow Longtrail Ale became the beer that most places will have when they only have one craft beer on draft. Its a pretty shitty beer. In situations like that I'll save a buck or two and get a 16oz Naragansett or PBR.
  21. Aexoonge

    Aexoonge Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2012 California

  22. duchessedubourg

    duchessedubourg Aspirant (251) Nov 2, 2007 Vermont

    I found the match-ups fairly ridiculous. Send your comments on the feature to beverage/food editor Corin Hirsch at SevenDays.com - to let her know - I did!
  23. jomobono

    jomobono Aspirant (245) Mar 12, 2012 Massachusetts

    Looks like the gaps are closing.
  24. jamvt

    jamvt Disciple (395) Aug 5, 2005 Massachusetts

    what exactly about the initial match-ups bothered you?
  25. DirtyPenny

    DirtyPenny Disciple (395) Jun 25, 2011 Massachusetts

    "Oh hey guys, what is a better beer: this cider, or this beer?"

    Man, what?
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  26. duchessedubourg

    duchessedubourg Aspirant (251) Nov 2, 2007 Vermont

    Virtually none of the excellent beers listed from brewpubs won their bracket - why would you put beers that are only available locally at their point-of-origin up against beers that are bottled and widely distributed not only all over the state, but out-of-state as well? The availability factor renders the match-ups "apples & oranges," IMO.
  27. jamvt

    jamvt Disciple (395) Aug 5, 2005 Massachusetts

    that's a good point. but at least they got a shout out.
  28. mclaughlindw4

    mclaughlindw4 Initiate (0) Jul 2, 2009 Maine

    I've seen similar brackets that were rediculous. For example one had shipyard in the same bracket as unibroue, and shipyard was winning handily. Its only because more people know what shipyard is. Oh well.
  29. Codyman

    Codyman Initiate (0) Mar 27, 2012

    You guys talk like a bunch of elitist a-holes. Seriously. Have any of you ever even been to Vermont? There is a ton of great beer in VT.

    God forbid people have an opinion or a palate that's different from yours. It's called the Vermont Brew Bracket, not the Vermont "Beer" Bracket so Ciders have just as much a right to be there as anyone else.

    Get over it.
  30. jacksback

    jacksback Initiate (0) Jul 20, 2011 Massachusetts

    I'm the first to jump on the cynical, jaded bandwagon, but damn... relax. A minor discussion/debate about some odd choices in a little beer bracket thing. On a beer website.

    Might take that "get over it" line and self-apply.
  31. DirtyPenny

    DirtyPenny Disciple (395) Jun 25, 2011 Massachusetts

    Nobody is suggesting otherwise. A few people are saying that there are some breweries they don't like. That doesn't mean they're bashing the entire state.

    "Brew" is a slang term commonly used to refer to beer. This is semantics at best, and by that logic we should be throwing in things like wine and whiskey which are also fermented, which is obviously not the intent given that all but, what, one beverage presented here are, in fact, beers. For someone who seems to think that people are overreacting you're pretty worked up yourself. Chill out.
  32. oxide

    oxide Initiate (0) Apr 22, 2011 Vermont

    Not trying to be cynical or jaded, but if the bracket is calling for the best beer in Vermont, it's foolish to consider a watered-down, skunky, poor-ass interpretation of an English Ale as the best. The situation is magnified when you take into consideration that the beer isn't bottled and growler fills are not available. I mean, no one's really missing anything due to them only kegging the beer, but as we discussed before, availability should be taken into account. My vote rests on either Edward or Double Sunshine. Theyr'e not necessarily easy to get, but they are hands-down some of the best beers available in the country. And now I'll step down from the soap box :-).
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  33. andrewinski1

    andrewinski1 Initiate (0) Apr 14, 2009 New Hampshire

    It's also not called the Vermont Beer Advocate Bracket. Non BA's like beer too.
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  34. Corin

    Corin Initiate (0) Mar 27, 2012

    I'm that Corin (a food writer at Seven Days) and have yet to receive any comments. You are welcome to send them to me, though I had little to do with choosing the pair-ups. I believe they mimic how a sports bracket actually works — and judging by the number of votes, people have had fun with it. It's illuminating to see how passionate some of you are about our local beer, which is some of the best on the planet.
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  35. Rempo

    Rempo Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2010 Indiana

    Someone out there sure wants Woodchuck to win - every matchup it's in has an inordinate number of votes...
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  36. jomobono

    jomobono Aspirant (245) Mar 12, 2012 Massachusetts

    You just joined today, someone must have told you the bracket was getting trashed in BA.
  37. Corin

    Corin Initiate (0) Mar 27, 2012

    Yup. And went from casual user to commenter.
  38. jomobono

    jomobono Aspirant (245) Mar 12, 2012 Massachusetts

    Yeah, you see these brackets a lot and they are for the general public. Why are these beers so popular? Because the general public thinks they taste good and they are made for the masses, which is fine. Craft beer is made for craft beer drinkers, super hoppy IPAs, bourbon barrel aged stouts, stuff the general public doesn't really like or does not want to shell out big bucks for. It was reported that craft beer sales went up 13% so glad to see it is growing and allows them to keep going.
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  39. jacksback

    jacksback Initiate (0) Jul 20, 2011 Massachusetts

    What jomo said. Cool to see Vermonters excited about their craft beer... probably not too important who wins which bracket.

    But hey, leave it to people on BA to get worked about something like this! :rolling_eyes:
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  40. Aexoonge

    Aexoonge Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2012 California

    jumping right in with the sharks, huh? :wink: Seriously, anything that gives craft beer more of the limelight is cool with me!
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