Weissbier. Does anything else compare?

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  1. iseethewhitewhale

    iseethewhitewhale Initiate (0) Jan 26, 2013

    Essentially the Missus and I have began to explore the variety of Weissbeir available to us in Australia. Our latest tastes include Franziskaner and Weihenstephaner varients, I was wondering from this avenue of tasting- what would be the next stage of tasting? Any ideas mates?
  2. colty42

    colty42 Initiate (138) Nov 14, 2011 District of Columbia

    Maybe try some of the American wheat beers (Pyramid, Widmer) and see if you enjoy those. I don't personally, I prefer the German/German-style. You can also try the different types of wheat beers: Kristall Weizen (a filtered hefeweizen); Dunkelweizen (a darker hefeweizen); Weizenbocks (hefeweizens brewed to dopplebock strength). Some of my favorites have been Tucher Kristall Weizen, Sam Adams Dunkelweizen, and Aventinus Wheat-Dopplebock.

    Oh, and I almost forgot to include the Belgian variety, called witbiers. Some of the more popular ones include Hoegaarden or Blue Moon. My favorite witbier hands down is St Bernardus White.

    Hope this helps. Happy tasting!
  3. lookrider

    lookrider Defender (629) Apr 22, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Try Sierra Nevada Kellerweis - it's a great American hefe
  4. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Meyvn (1,105) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I started on wheat beers, both american and german, and jumped to witbiers and saisons. Moved through the belgians prettty quickly and started in on the english ales. Now I'm back to american ales, currently on an american pale kick. I would check out some of the witbiers, st b's white is nice, and maybe check out a few saisons as well. I'm not too sure what makes its way down under, but anything from fantome usually. Exemplifies the style.
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  5. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (2,067) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Witbiers, and St Bernardus in particular, are a great place to start branching out. Then maybe on to Belgian Pale Ales.

    I also like the dunkelweizen suggestion- Hacker-Pschorr makes a really good one.
  6. Stevedore

    Stevedore Poo-Bah (3,832) Nov 16, 2012 Wisconsin
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    I don't know what's available in Australia but Belgian witbiers and saisons are probably the natural progression. Certainly different but has a lot of the same qualities. There's just something about Belgian yeast.. so good.
  7. SummitSeries72

    SummitSeries72 Initiate (164) Mar 17, 2011 New Jersey

    I completely agree. It is easily the best American hefe.
  8. 77black_ships

    77black_ships Devotee (440) Dec 4, 2012 Belgium

    Kristallweizen ~filtered hefe, way better than, that sounds (Weihenstephaner Kristall Weissbier,…), Gose ~ basically a hefe with lactic acid & salt (Bayerischer Bahnhof Original Leipziger Gose,…), Witbeer (St. Bernardus Wit, Struise Wit,…), saisons (Dupont, Dormaal Wit Goud,…), afterwards get a Schneider Aventius.

    I tried getting stuff that you might get hold of @ Australia but I have no idea what is available over there – cheers & enjoy
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  9. Hoppsbabo

    Hoppsbabo Champion (822) Jan 29, 2012 United Kingdom (England)

    A lot of people suggesting witbier, which I've always seen as beer for people who don't like the flavour of beer. I certainly wouldn't call it a progression from wiezenbier but everyone has a different beer journey. First, stick with wiezenbier and try Schneider & Son's Aventinus Tap 6. It's dark and tastes of purple fruits, and it's insanely, insanely good. Then move on to it's crazy Eisbock counterpart, which is one of a kind. Not recommended in 40°C though. Otherwise with your newfound taste for yeast why not move onto Belgian pales and work upwards from there.
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  10. Momar42

    Momar42 Initiate (0) Sep 19, 2010 Maryland

    Perhaps the most easily accessible but Live Oak Heffeweizen from Austin, TX has it beat for best USA Heffeweizen.
  11. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Poo-Bah (2,459) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona

    Stick to Germans. Avoid the "American Wheat" style in which the flavors are intentionally taken out.
  12. FosterJM

    FosterJM Poo-Bah (2,719) Nov 16, 2009 California
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    Like a weiss on steroids if done right!

  13. iseethewhitewhale

    iseethewhitewhale Initiate (0) Jan 26, 2013

    Lovely, thanks mates. Im enjoying another drop of Weihenstepaner Hefe Dunkel at the mo, very keen to see if i can source some of these American weiss beirs even if they dont quite stack up to the barvarian equivalents i'm still interested to try them. Cheers colty42, SFACRKnight for the ideas, and thank you to the rest who informed :slight_smile: look forward to sourcing and sampling!!
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  14. gcamparone

    gcamparone Meyvn (1,435) Dec 6, 2011 Rhode Island
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    If you haven't already, try Allagash White, it's one of my favorite american wheatbeers
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  15. chinabeergeek

    chinabeergeek Meyvn (1,272) Aug 10, 2007 Massachusetts
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    it's actually a good american attempt at a classic belgian witbier. not really an american wheat at all.

    down there in Oz, redback is a domestic kristalweizen that should be readily available. but you're probably like me, and much prefer the unfiltered bavarian originals.
  16. BeerSingh

    BeerSingh Initiate (0) Jul 25, 2009 India

    Get V.I.T.U.S >
  17. TheSixthRing

    TheSixthRing Poo-Bah (2,409) Sep 24, 2008 California

    I love dunkels, but I'm not sure I've ever seen the Hacker-Pschorr available in my area. I'd love to try it!
  18. kingofhop

    kingofhop Initiate (0) May 9, 2010 Oklahoma

    Banana/clove flavors ain't for me. I'll take an American wheat anyday.
  19. TheSixthRing

    TheSixthRing Poo-Bah (2,409) Sep 24, 2008 California

    Yeah, not a lot of Americanized Hefe beers are all that great, to be honest. Europe's still got us beat in that style, IMO. As others have said, the Sierra Nevada Kellerweiss is probably the best example of the style in the States. Also, I'm fond of the Firestone-Walker Solace, which is a Hefe/Saison hybrd available around April-September.
  20. bylerteck

    bylerteck Poo-Bah (2,923) May 17, 2009 Ontario (Canada)
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    Not a whole hell of a lot of American stuff makes its way to Oz. In terms of Australian examples of the style, check out Moo Brew Wheat/Hefe depending on what they're calling it these days, Chevalier Hefe and Hefe Dunk from Bridge Road. 4 Pines and Bridge Road also do a Hefe. Also, try to find Burleigh Hefe as it won best Hefe at the World Beer Cup or some awards thingy of equal significance. Most German variants like Franziskaner, Erdinger, Weihenstephaner, etc. should be available at Danno's.

    Good luck!
  21. Hoppsbabo

    Hoppsbabo Champion (822) Jan 29, 2012 United Kingdom (England)

    Interesting. What does American wheat taste of then? I've only ever had German.
  22. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (1,974) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois

    Basically, it tastes like a less hoppy Pale Ale. :astonished:


    And to clarify: most of the beers mentioned above (Live Oak, SN Kellerweizen) are Bavarian-style Weizens, not the "American Pale Wheat Ale" -- which is an insult when labeled "Hefeweizen."
  23. herrburgess

    herrburgess Meyvn (1,035) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    So you're saying it kinda tastes like American Pale Lagers...or American style Koelsches...or American Blonde Ales...or American style Pilsners...?
  24. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (1,974) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois

    Now that you mention it...
  25. Jeffo

    Jeffo Poo-Bah (2,727) Sep 7, 2008 Netherlands

    First of all, thank you for calling it a weissbier and not "hefe."

    Since you're in Australia, I doubt you will have much access to American style wheat ales. I'd suggest moving into Belgian style witbier, which is a spicy wheat beer, and perhaps on to Belgian style beers in general. Also, if you can get any Dukelweizen or Weizenbock in Australia, give those a try.

    In the end, as far as weizen beer goes, southern Germany is as good as it gets.

  26. keithmurray

    keithmurray Meyvn (1,138) Oct 7, 2009 Connecticut

    Ayinger Weizenbock would be to your liking
  27. Domingo

    Domingo Poo-Bah (2,244) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    If you like weissbier, you might like other ester-heavy beers. Weizenbock (a stronger weissbier) and Witbier (the Belgian equivalent often brewed with spices) are obvious places to look.
    You might also simply like anything where the yeast runs the show. Lots of Belgian beers fall into that grouping. A good place to start would be a Belgian Golden like Duvel.
  28. DStoked

    DStoked Aspirant (257) Sep 28, 2011 Ohio
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  29. chinabeergeek

    chinabeergeek Meyvn (1,272) Aug 10, 2007 Massachusetts
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    i wouldn't say they are "equivalents" or "versions" of one another. they are all distinct styles of their own. the only common thread is the use of wheat and perhaps the top fermentation. trying to tie them to other totally distinct styles does justice to none of them.
  30. DStoked

    DStoked Aspirant (257) Sep 28, 2011 Ohio
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    What's your point? Are you criticizing my suggestion, or just complaining about semantics?

    OP asked "I was wondering from this avenue of tasting- what would be the next stage of tasting? Any ideas mates?" I was simply suggesting that if he likes Weissbier, the next stage of tasting may be to explore other styles that bear some resemblance to the Weissbier style.
  31. Domingo

    Domingo Poo-Bah (2,244) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    Wessbier and witbier are both (usually) unfiltered ester-heavy wheat beers with a fairly similar grain bill, light hopping, a heavy yeast that produces similar flavors. They look similar, smell similar, and even taste fairly similar. Other than the Belgians using spices, they're pretty close. If someone likes one, the odds say they'd like another. "Equivalent" might not be the best word, but I don't think it's far off.
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  32. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (1,974) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois

    Well, as someone who has sampled all of the above for many years (Berliner Weiß at the source, too), I wouldn't be quick to suggest the Berliner to someone who likes Bavarian Weizen. As you point out, it's sour and/or tart and a far different character than a Weizen. It may just turn the OP off wheat beer entirely!
  33. chinabeergeek

    chinabeergeek Meyvn (1,272) Aug 10, 2007 Massachusetts
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    if you can detect banana and clove in your typical belgian witbier, then your palate is either completely broken or more sophisticated than any other human on the planet. the yeasts are totally different, and german hefeweizen does NOT use raw unmalted wheat, which is typical of witbier and gives additional acidity.

    semantics or not, there are not many similarities between berlinerweisse and bavarian hefeweizen, other than the use of wheat and top fermentation. for a newcomer like the OP i would recommend dunkelweizen and belgian tripel before getting anywhere near berlinerweisse.
  34. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (1,974) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois

    While there may not be banana or clove directly in a Wit, there is plenty of spiciness and fruit esters going on -- not to mention vanilla at times; something I'll get from Weizen now and then.

    And while I agree they aren't the same beer, I have to defend that they fall very close -- a lot closer than Beliner Weiß or American Pale Wheat.
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  35. DStoked

    DStoked Aspirant (257) Sep 28, 2011 Ohio
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    There's only one way to find out. Quite simply I say what's the harm in trying? He's obviously looking for a new experience. I don't share your terror of turning him off to the entire wheat genre by sampling a Berliner, especially since he is already fond of the style and, as you point out, it has a far different character.
  36. Domingo

    Domingo Poo-Bah (2,244) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    I'm not the first person to make that comparison. Garrett Oliver has done it more than once. Keep in mind that the "typical" banana/clove note isn't dominant in every weissbier. For instance comparing Mahr's, Schenieder, Erdinger, and Paulaner will net you 4 totally different flavor profiles...and I'd dare say the the ones further north in the country (Franconia in particular) have a flavor profile that share more with Blanche than Weihenstephaner. It's more of a vanilla cream and green apple. I will say that I still get a bit banana from a wit. It's certainly milder, but it's there.
  37. chinabeergeek

    chinabeergeek Meyvn (1,272) Aug 10, 2007 Massachusetts
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    ah well, guess i'll cop this to individuals having different palates.
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  38. Domingo

    Domingo Poo-Bah (2,244) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    I'm not trying to be an ass - try a Mahr's weiss and a Blanche together. They're more similar than you might think. It's the Munich weissbiers that have the heavy banana.
  39. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (1,974) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois

    You seem to be contradictory there. Yes, he's fond of Weizen, and yes -- Berliner Weiß is far different from Weizen, so yes -- I would not lead him so far away at this point. Which is not to say that he should avoid it altogether, just don't lead him into the expectations that it will be similar to something he already likes.

    To your original comment of,
    I have never found any real resemblance between Bavarian Weizen and Berliner Weiß.
  40. smartassboiler

    smartassboiler Champion (871) Apr 9, 2012 Illinois
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    New Glarus Dancing Man Wheat would like a word with you.
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