Westy 12 is not even the best Quad brewed within 10 miles of the monestary. Pannepot (in any of it's variations) St Amatus Both are better. They only time I have REALLY enjoyed a Westy was a old bottle (8-10 years old) I tried over in Belgium. The beer is just too damn hot when fresh. I would choose the Blond or the 8 over the 12 any day of the week. This beers appeal is mostly hype, smoke and mirrors and percived rarity. It's not really that rare even before the Bricks were sold. They brew a lot of it fairly regularly. It's not just sold at the brewery. There are countless local bottleshops and bars in Belgium and the Netherlands that sell it. Locals can by it and re-sell it either with the blessing of the monks or behind there backs. It's hard for travelers to get it at the brewery cause you have to call ahead and give a licence plate number but for locals that is easy to do. It's not a wale. It's good but not any better than any of the big quads out there. I would take a Pannepot any day of the week based purely on flavor and mouthfeel and I can by that any day at the store 2 minutes from my house.