We were at Russian River 1.5 wks ago and I steered away from the Pliny to try something else -I believe it was Happy Hops, decent but did not rock my world. Blind Pig was not available.That being said, one of my favorites from years ago and I still enjoy is Bateman's XXXB. It was one of the 1st I enjoyed after getting away from BMC after spending time in Germany in the service and drinking better lagers. Is it the same as I remember it, no. Our tastes change over time.