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What changes would you like to see in bars?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Ernest_Hooper, Mar 10, 2014.

  1. BrettHead

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    false dichotomy is false
     
  2. Providence

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    Never tried to create a dichotomy out of the two.
     
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    many American bars have a simple chalkboard as well. lol. BTW, would love to try both hoheads.
     
  4. keithmurray

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    so, ALL new/young parent's act like that? you stereotype much, or just hang with a degenerate type of crowd?
     
  5. TheGator321

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    no, I said it's common. not all.
     
  6. TheGator321

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    and yes, i hang with degenerates, stereotype and post on BA
     
  7. TickleMeTony

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    Some guy already developed a system apparently. He can store X amount of kegs and individually control the temperatures of each. I can't remember where, but I read the article on here. It's pretty sweet. Apparently someone wasn't happy with the ice-cold temperature of their bourbon barrel imperial stout.
     
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  8. HRamz3

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    It's not just the keg temp, the glycol coolant around the lines would need to be adjustable. Much more difficult.
     
  9. rozzom

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    Parents - please take note
     
  10. teledeluxe

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    Suggestions for bars:

    1) If you serve food, have at least one vegan option besides "house salad minus the cheese"

    2) If you have a jukebox, please don't have one of those awful TouchTunes internet jukeboxes where anybody can play whatever the hell they want. Have a damn identity already -- your jukebox selection possibilities should reflect that identity.

    3) At the bar, have some sort of ledge for feet. Bonus points if you have hooks for coats if your stools don't have backs.

    4) If you have multiple TVs on, please don't allow sound to come from multiple programs simultaneously. This includes music. Music or sporting event sound. Not both.

    5) beermenus.com
     
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    This generally true. However, an occasional place with a traditional English pub-like atmosphere where (well behaved) kids are present can be a great thing.
     
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    I just got back from grocery store. couldn't even walk through the threshold because two mothers with kids were chatting it up blocking the entrance. when the older lady in front of me squeaked out an "excuse me" she got the dirtiest look. i laughed and asked which one of them were first time moms. both were. lol. buddy, i see it all the time.
     
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    YES! Can't believe it took this long for that to come up!
     
  14. SouthAtholSuds

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    Wasn't there a time where if kids went to places adults went to they would break out the German Shepards, riot gear and fire hoses? Let's not go back to that time. Ya Hearrrd?
     
  15. Harnkus

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    Loners please find someone.
     
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  16. rozzom

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    Confused by this. What does a loner have to do with anything? Point is that Lukenbrew (a parent) seems to have a very reasonable approach regarding when he/she does or does not take their child to somewhere serving alcohol.

    Contrary to a lot of posts in this thread, he/she has neither have a hardline approach of "no a child can never be anywhere that alcohol is served", nor the opposite "my child should be welcome anywhere". Instead he/she has a balanced outlook, and I agreed with this. I couldn't exactly respond with "people without children - take note" could I?

    Seems (now I'm reading your response to beerassassin too) that you're reading entirely too much into this. Chill out.
     
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    I guess the biggest thing for me here in Lincoln, Nebraska is having an updated menu for beers. The other thing is making sure the bartenders know what is available in the bar. Every staff member should know what the beer on a new poster is.
     
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    You don't know me, I have a gf. Also since you know neither of us, I'm not sure how you know whether or not we want kids. You need to realize that, just because I think kids don't belong in certain situations, doesn't mean I hate them. Non smokers are bothered by smokers, that's why they have separate sections in restaurants and is banned or airplanes, trains, and non smoking hotel rooms. Not sure why you think kids belong everywhere, why should the world change how it operates to suit your kids. Your kids will be adults one day and be able to enjoy everything, like all adults.
     
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    And here I thought arguments about price "gouging" of beer were the most annoying arguments to sift through on this site...
     
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    I think there is a lot of miscommunication going on in this thread. I don't think anyone objects to what you do with your family. Unfortunately there are dumbass parents out there who don't know the difference between a kid friendly place and a place where everyone is just too nice to tell them to fuck off.
     
  21. jefffalcone

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    why? just pour off the first glass glass.
     
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    Major waste of inventory. Money down the drain. Plus, in a lot of bars the kegs are in the basement. Those lines may be 20' long (hence the use of the glycol cooled lines), running out that amount of beer would be beyond ridiculous. As someone else already noted, the temp in the cooler is cold for a reason, and it's not related to taste. If you warm it up, the beer foams more, and it is just not economically feasable to waste that much beer.
     
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    Jeez we have some high class people in here. Give me a bar with some solid selections and an updated tap list and I'm good to go. I like TVs, there isn't much better than sitting down enjoying some good beer with people and watching a good game.
     
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    I think all internet threads asking for somebody's personal opinion about what would improve their experience at bars should turn into vitriolic pissing contests where everybody makes grand sweeping judgments about everybody else's lifestyle choices based on snap judgments from single paragraphs posted by that person. And of course, every time somebody has a suggestion that is not the best business practice, somebody should patronizingly lecture them about real world economics.

    I would prefer to hang out in paces where younger kids aren't allowed in. Other people don't care or feel the opposite, let each bar decide for itself based on the crowd and atmosphere it wants.

    Dealing with children in the way is just part of life you have to tolerate. Last time I was on a plane there was a young kid behind me who was coughing and a few times he reached through the crack in the seat and touched me. Last time I went to a rock climbing gym I couldn't use the reverse hang area because some kids were using it like a slide. You deal with it because they're kids and have no way of knowing it would bother people.

    But if you want to attract me to a bar, make it a place that's not noisy and I can relax and not censor myself.
     
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    Sooner or later they all come around. You'll learn to like it - welcome to my camp! :cool:
     
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    ...or 'tolerance'.
     
  27. BMitch

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    I'd probably see eye to eye with you more often if you didn't always come across as such an old curmudgeon. :p
     
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    Many excellent pubs here are family friendly and I have no problem with them.
    I get the impression that some posters want to behave in a manner which would be unsuitable if children were present.Personally, if anybody did that in my haunts they would be out on their ear pretty quickly.
    But there are children and there are children.My own boys were beautifully behaved ( other people's opinion, self praise is no praise) and I could confidently take them anywhere.Nobody ever objected to my taking them into the pub ,one landlord even sat them down in his kitchen and gave them orange juice and nibbles.
    Pubs in rural areas at least have to be family friendly because those which are not would lose a lot of business.
     
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    I can sympathize with non-parents - Young single guys are focused on school, their career, sports, or getting laid... kids dont even register - we all were there at some point. Truth is to guys, even fathers, the best kids/other peoples' kids are the ones you don't even know are there (I love it when people say this on a crowded flight when we stand up after landing).
    But damned if I don't love a good draft beer in a gastropub/brewpub with a good dinner - I hope that never changes no matter what stage in my life: marriage, kids, and my kids' marriage (especially time to celebrate!).

    As rollom stated, selection of appropriate environment for our kids is no different than your choice of where/when to smoke, appropriate clothing for a situation, formality of language, etc - just takes common sense!
     
  30. dar482

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    Removing or limiting the seats at a bar, specifically when a bar is busy.

    As a patron, it just blocks off so much space and prevents you from ordering at the bar. You have to reach over people and spill on them to get the drink you ordered.

    As a business, you're slowly down how quickly people can buy drinks! I doubt people sitting at the bar will go to another bar just because the bar doesn't have seats, but I certainly imagine people have ordered less drinks or left a place because ordering a drink got too cumbersome.
     
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    Sure they do. They are called parents. Cheers
     
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    I go to one nice restaurant/bar several times a week for an afternoon beer or two. This place sells fantastic fresh draft beer from everywhere, but features N.C. beers. The place is very family friendly and folks of all ages and walks of life intermingle perfectly well. On some early Fridays the place fills up quickly with young families while the bar is fully peopled with young, old, and all in between. I've never seen a problem ever. Sure kids sometimes get a bit fussy but nobody cares and many remember their own youngsters and go about their business. I love civilized places and conversation.
     
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    1.)Don't exclude people who choose to eat a certain way.

    2.)Do exclude people who listen to music you don't like.

    ?

    Limiting music style on a juke box is a good way to make sure it doesn't pay for itself.
     
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    You're right. Should have had that one on my list.
     
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    Perfect dude I'm ready to find someone with money , love to help start this . I would like to see half pours like in Athens ga at some of their restaurants. I threw out an idea a week ago about opening a tasting room and selling smaller amounts, everyone's tastebuds are different, so why not sell 6oz. I will drink half a beer and cap it then pop another . Sounds crazy but my hophead and can't get enough different flavors. The perfect craft beer experience with those whom are serious for that perfect pour. Man this could be called café beertopia. You would stay there for hours. Good idea!
     
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    You're right. No WiFi should have been on my list.
     
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    Thanks for the kind words man! I REALLY like it when beer establishments have smaller pours on their menu! I like trying new beer; I dislike being stuck with a beer that did not do it for me.

    And to the guy above about having a bar with a shelf for your feet? GENIUS! The little things man, it is the little things.
     
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    Ban freezer-frosted pint glasses and mugs.

    Fire all employees whose answer the question, "What craft beers do you have?" with their own question, "What's craft beer?" (Yes, this is inspired by a true story from last weekend in San Antonio.)
     
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    I'm not picky at all, but if I could ask for one change from my favorite beer bar it would be to update facebook/twitter whenever something new is tapped. Or even post a tap list every day. Just a thought.
     
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    Last weekend I asked a local bartender what Fifty West's Fork in the Road was (meaning, is it an IPA, stout, or whatever)... she looked at me bewildered, completely unable to answer my question and just poured me a sample without saying a word. I was ok with that. :)
     
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