What country brews the best beers? (Excluding Belgium, Germany, UK, and the USA)

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  1. tone77

    tone77 Poo-Bah (7,251) May 20, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Excluding Belgium, Germany, UK, or USA?

    Who's #5?
     
  2. sharpski

    sharpski Meyvn (1,277) Oct 11, 2010 Oregon
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    Norway. Kveik for life!
     
  3. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,686) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Czechia.
     
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  4. rgordon

    rgordon Meyvn (1,322) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina

    Put The Czech Republic, Austria, Canada, The Netherlands and Poland on that list. And more in gradations.
     
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  5. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,686) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Seeing a lot of new Polish labels at a local, lately. I've tried a few in the past and been pretty underwhelmed. Any in particular you'd recommend?
     
  6. rgordon

    rgordon Meyvn (1,322) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina

    I remember a notable very strong Black Boss Porter that was quite rustic, but roasty and full of licorice, and a coffee note. I liked Black Boss as a beguiling brute. This beer did not invite multiples and would have been perfect before a Grateful Dead show in the parking lot occupied by Samuel Smith. I liked Zwviec Porter and the lager, but I do understand that just like the rest of the world, pockets of really good beer are emerging. I think the beer culture can and will be embraced in Poland...
     
  7. ZenAgnostic

    ZenAgnostic Meyvn (1,287) Jan 27, 2011 Texas

    Ah, yes remove all the proper responses. "Wrong answers only"
     
  8. TomFoley

    TomFoley Aspirant (260) Mar 19, 2005 Pennsylvania

    LOL, I remember that nonsense, along with lots of SN.
     
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  9. zac16125

    zac16125 Poo-Bah (2,402) Jan 26, 2010 South Carolina
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    I followed almost nothing of what you said in that post, but I approve of any good beer in the lot before a Dead show.
     
  10. johnInLA

    johnInLA Savant (984) Jun 12, 2005 California
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    The title should be changed to address OP intent to "Best brewing country excluding 4".

    But I'll respond to the title from two time perspectives:

    Now: USA, Belgium, Germany (well behind), everyone else, competition is on the rise.

    1990s: Belgium, Germany, UK, USA (rising), very little competition elsewhere.
     
  11. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Poo-Bah (10,026) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Belgium, Belgium, Belgium, Belgium, Belgium. In a solid 6th place is Kiribati.

    I been hiding some great stuff from y'all.
     
  12. johnInLA

    johnInLA Savant (984) Jun 12, 2005 California
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    FWIW: Beer in the lot of GD shows was not my experience, but I'm kinda old :wink:
     
  13. FBarber

    FBarber Poo-Bah (6,457) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    I mean, this is the only answer.
     
  14. jonphisher

    jonphisher Poo-Bah (1,526) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    I finally grabbed a bottle of this beer, overlooked it so many times but it popped up in NBW and was recommended by others too. I’m looking forward to trying this weekend.
     
  15. rgordon

    rgordon Meyvn (1,322) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina

    Years ago there was a very good Polish export (Black Boss Porter) that reached our shores. It sold well and was satisfying for maybe two at a sitting. And I think Poland is prime for a great new beer proving ground.....
     
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  16. rgordon

    rgordon Meyvn (1,322) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina

    Look up Goodenough Island. My Dad loved the place and healed there more than once, before San Francisco...
     
  17. 57md

    57md Poo-Bah (3,483) Aug 22, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    I'm going Canada at #5
    Dieu du Ciel & Flying Monkeys
    Plus Labatt isn't bad for AAL
     
  18. Squire

    Squire Poo-Bah (2,803) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    Canada generally and Unibroue specifically.
     
  19. rgordon

    rgordon Meyvn (1,322) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina

    Wasn't it Samuel Smith Stout or Nut Brown? I remember the stories of the next day litter. Hell, there is an ode to Ripple which makes me kinda old! I only saw The Grateful Dead at Cameron Indoor in about 1975 and I was driving. It was a great show but they are far from my favorite band of the era.
     
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  20. barrybeerdog

    barrybeerdog Initiate (186) Aug 17, 2012 South Dakota

    The Netherlands, w/o question. De Molen, Koningshoeven, Emelisse & on & on....
     
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  22. rgordon

    rgordon Meyvn (1,322) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina

    I know children of friends from high school who traipsed around following The Grateful Dead from city to city. Oh well. I remember the San Francisco days with Jefferson Airplane and Quicksilver Messenger Service being two of my all time favorites. Nicky Hopkins was hell! on the keys.
     
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  23. dcotom

    dcotom Poo-Bah (3,112) Aug 4, 2014 Iowa
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    From my experience (admittedly not much), I could agree with either of these choices. I might give The Netherlands a slight edge by virtue of their two Trappist breweries.
     
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  25. TomFoley

    TomFoley Aspirant (260) Mar 19, 2005 Pennsylvania

    couple stories regarding beer in the parking lot at dead shows.
    Alpine Valley in 86 we sold three cases of Heineken in about a half hour.
    84 or 85 at Brendan Byrne, a lot of folks were wandering around with "I need a ticket/I need a miracle" signs. I had a ticket, but no beer (was hitchhiking the tour), so I made a "I need a beer" sign. I got a lot of laughs and more beer than I could carry/drink in twenty minutes.
     
  26. TomFoley

    TomFoley Aspirant (260) Mar 19, 2005 Pennsylvania

    I remember trading for the Taddy Porter and the oatmeal stout on occasion.
     
  27. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,828) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    My 'vote' is the Czech Republic but you really need to travel there to experience these beers since not too many brands are exported here (Pilsner Urquell is an obvious exception). For those Czech beers that are imported they are all too often old and stale. :slight_frown:

    For those interested in reading more about the Czech beer scene:

    https://www.morebeer.com/articles/Czech_Beers

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    Na Zdravi!
     
  28. jesskidden

    jesskidden Poo-Bah (2,544) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    It's the correct answer even without excluding the 4 other countries, because:
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  29. TomFoley

    TomFoley Aspirant (260) Mar 19, 2005 Pennsylvania

    Loved Prague, though I have to admit I spent a lot of time at the Gulden Draak Bierhuis sucking down cheap Belgian ales. The old beer garden/brewery U Fleku is one of the nicest settings I've ever had the pleasure of drinking.
     
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  30. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,828) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I agree with you there Tom:

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    They only served one beer style, Tmavý Ležák (Czech Dark Lager), but that was A-OK with me since this was indeed a tasty beer. We also ate lunch there three times and I enjoyed the food as well.

    Na Zdravi to U Fleků! :slight_smile:
     
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  31. UrbanCaveman

    UrbanCaveman Meyvn (1,130) Sep 30, 2014 Ohio
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    I'd give honorable mention to Finland for sahti, but I'm weird. Kippis!
     
  32. GreenBayBA

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  33. TomFoley

    TomFoley Aspirant (260) Mar 19, 2005 Pennsylvania

    Guy facing the camera looks like Richard Ruch.
     
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  34. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,828) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Yeah, I thought the same thing.

    Cheers!

    @rotsaruch
     
  35. TomFoley

    TomFoley Aspirant (260) Mar 19, 2005 Pennsylvania

    Was told I just missed him last week at the Troubles End lager fest, was on my way to Samm's.
     
  36. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,828) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I was down the shore last weekend so I unfortunately missed the Lager Fest. Richard did attend with a couple of buddies and he said the beers were very good and he had a great time. He also got a chance to chat with the Troubles End brewer for a fair bit of time.

    Hopefully they will have this event (or similar) again in the near future.

    Cheers!
     
  37. bubseymour

    bubseymour Poo-Bah (3,568) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    Excellent topic for conversation, thanks for contributing. Beside the input from others I can’t really offer a definitive opinion of my own but I think the US is now probably #1 in the World overall. This transition probably happened sometime quite recently probably in the last 3-5 years. Before that, most American craft beers were overall as a full portfolio not at the baseline of quality of the other big 3 from Europe. I think that has now changed as most locals and wider distribution brewers are producing beer at a fairly high quality across many styles and at much easier access for most people. This wasn’t the case just a few years ago.
     
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  38. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Poo-Bah (4,790) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    Gonna have to mention Estonia here. Both Pohjala and Pühaste consistently make some of the best barrel-aged Stouts that I have ever had and yes, that includes American examples of the style. They are both absolutely world-class when it comes to this style.
     
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  39. dennisthreeninefiveone

    dennisthreeninefiveone Initiate (164) Aug 11, 2020 New Jersey
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  40. SLeffler27

    SLeffler27 Poo-Bah (3,056) Feb 24, 2008 New York
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    Ya know... One could make an argument for Chad.

    According to BeerAdvocate, their national average is 4.18 after all.
     
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