Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by tone77, Jun 19, 2021.
Excluding Belgium, Germany, UK, or USA?
Norway. Kveik for life!
Put The Czech Republic, Austria, Canada, The Netherlands and Poland on that list. And more in gradations.
Seeing a lot of new Polish labels at a local, lately. I've tried a few in the past and been pretty underwhelmed. Any in particular you'd recommend?
I remember a notable very strong Black Boss Porter that was quite rustic, but roasty and full of licorice, and a coffee note. I liked Black Boss as a beguiling brute. This beer did not invite multiples and would have been perfect before a Grateful Dead show in the parking lot occupied by Samuel Smith. I liked Zwviec Porter and the lager, but I do understand that just like the rest of the world, pockets of really good beer are emerging. I think the beer culture can and will be embraced in Poland...
Ah, yes remove all the proper responses. "Wrong answers only"
LOL, I remember that nonsense, along with lots of SN.
I followed almost nothing of what you said in that post, but I approve of any good beer in the lot before a Dead show.
The title should be changed to address OP intent to "Best brewing country excluding 4".
But I'll respond to the title from two time perspectives:
Now: USA, Belgium, Germany (well behind), everyone else, competition is on the rise.
1990s: Belgium, Germany, UK, USA (rising), very little competition elsewhere.
Belgium, Belgium, Belgium, Belgium, Belgium. In a solid 6th place is Kiribati.
I been hiding some great stuff from y'all.
FWIW: Beer in the lot of GD shows was not my experience, but I'm kinda old
I mean, this is the only answer.
I finally grabbed a bottle of this beer, overlooked it so many times but it popped up in NBW and was recommended by others too. I’m looking forward to trying this weekend.
Years ago there was a very good Polish export (Black Boss Porter) that reached our shores. It sold well and was satisfying for maybe two at a sitting. And I think Poland is prime for a great new beer proving ground.....
Look up Goodenough Island. My Dad loved the place and healed there more than once, before San Francisco...
I'm going Canada at #5
Dieu du Ciel & Flying Monkeys
Plus Labatt isn't bad for AAL
Canada generally and Unibroue specifically.
Wasn't it Samuel Smith Stout or Nut Brown? I remember the stories of the next day litter. Hell, there is an ode to Ripple which makes me kinda old! I only saw The Grateful Dead at Cameron Indoor in about 1975 and I was driving. It was a great show but they are far from my favorite band of the era.
The Netherlands, w/o question. De Molen, Koningshoeven, Emelisse & on & on....
Austria, at least for marzens:
I know children of friends from high school who traipsed around following The Grateful Dead from city to city. Oh well. I remember the San Francisco days with Jefferson Airplane and Quicksilver Messenger Service being two of my all time favorites. Nicky Hopkins was hell! on the keys.
From my experience (admittedly not much), I could agree with either of these choices. I might give The Netherlands a slight edge by virtue of their two Trappist breweries.
couple stories regarding beer in the parking lot at dead shows.
Alpine Valley in 86 we sold three cases of Heineken in about a half hour.
84 or 85 at Brendan Byrne, a lot of folks were wandering around with "I need a ticket/I need a miracle" signs. I had a ticket, but no beer (was hitchhiking the tour), so I made a "I need a beer" sign. I got a lot of laughs and more beer than I could carry/drink in twenty minutes.
I remember trading for the Taddy Porter and the oatmeal stout on occasion.
My 'vote' is the Czech Republic but you really need to travel there to experience these beers since not too many brands are exported here (Pilsner Urquell is an obvious exception). For those Czech beers that are imported they are all too often old and stale.
For those interested in reading more about the Czech beer scene:
It's the correct answer even without excluding the 4 other countries, because:
Loved Prague, though I have to admit I spent a lot of time at the Gulden Draak Bierhuis sucking down cheap Belgian ales. The old beer garden/brewery U Fleku is one of the nicest settings I've ever had the pleasure of drinking.
I agree with you there Tom:
They only served one beer style, Tmavý Ležák (Czech Dark Lager), but that was A-OK with me since this was indeed a tasty beer. We also ate lunch there three times and I enjoyed the food as well.
Na Zdravi to U Fleků!
I'd give honorable mention to Finland for sahti, but I'm weird. Kippis!
Guy facing the camera looks like Richard Ruch.
Yeah, I thought the same thing.
Was told I just missed him last week at the Troubles End lager fest, was on my way to Samm's.
I was down the shore last weekend so I unfortunately missed the Lager Fest. Richard did attend with a couple of buddies and he said the beers were very good and he had a great time. He also got a chance to chat with the Troubles End brewer for a fair bit of time.
Hopefully they will have this event (or similar) again in the near future.
Excellent topic for conversation, thanks for contributing. Beside the input from others I can’t really offer a definitive opinion of my own but I think the US is now probably #1 in the World overall. This transition probably happened sometime quite recently probably in the last 3-5 years. Before that, most American craft beers were overall as a full portfolio not at the baseline of quality of the other big 3 from Europe. I think that has now changed as most locals and wider distribution brewers are producing beer at a fairly high quality across many styles and at much easier access for most people. This wasn’t the case just a few years ago.
Gonna have to mention Estonia here. Both Pohjala and Pühaste consistently make some of the best barrel-aged Stouts that I have ever had and yes, that includes American examples of the style. They are both absolutely world-class when it comes to this style.
Ya know... One could make an argument for Chad.
According to BeerAdvocate, their national average is 4.18 after all.