What happened to Dinkelacker in the USA?

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  1. Cstamp3084

    Cstamp3084 Initiate (76) May 3, 2020 Maryland
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    I’ve been on a German Pilsner kick lately. I have been trying all the imported brands I can find. I remember seeing dinkelacker cd pils in total wine but never tried it. Now every time I go to any total wine they are sold out. After searching I found a Facebook post back in June from a bottle shop in North Carolina claiming to have some from the last batch shipped to the USA. Have you guys seen dinkelacker lately and does anyone know who the importer is?
     
  2. MNAle

    MNAle Poo-Bah (2,345) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota
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  3. jonphisher

    jonphisher Meyvn (1,205) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    I talked to the beer manager at a local store a few months back and he told me they had pulled USA distro. Just one managers word but it does coincide with what you found on that facebook post as well.
     
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  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,429) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Just make sure you check dates.

    It has been a while since I have purchased German brewed Pilsners since they are typically old at my local beer retailers.

    Hopefully you will have better luck in your area.

    Cheers!
     
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  5. Cstamp3084

    Cstamp3084 Initiate (76) May 3, 2020 Maryland
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    I found one place within 100 miles that has it according to Untappd I will call to confirm
     
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  6. Cstamp3084

    Cstamp3084 Initiate (76) May 3, 2020 Maryland
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    every one I have had so far has been 5-8 months old but all have tasted great. If it’s over a year old I’m passing on it.
     
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  7. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,373) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    SH Imports was carrying it, but it looks like they've dropped it... AND changed names. Weird.
     
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  8. jesskidden

    jesskidden Poo-Bah (2,426) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    In Pennsylvania an "Importing Distributor" isn't a company that imports beer from outside the US, but their legal term for what is called a "wholesaler" or "wholesale distributor" in most other states.
    --- PA STATE POLICE LIQUOR CONTROL
     
  9. jesskidden

    jesskidden Poo-Bah (2,426) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Yeah, it's pretty confusing (always was, even back in the era of Spaten North America East and Spaten North America West). According to SHW Brands (not to be confused with S&H > Louis Sieb ---- but it is confused with it).
    Louis Sieb (and wife? daughter? Irene) were pres. and vp of Spaten North America East, which became S&H East (even tho' located in Denver).

    Their ABOUT page isn't too helpful. :grin:
     
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  10. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,373) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    @jesskidden -- what's even more confusing is that Hildebrandt was with S&H up until not that long ago (H in the S&H).*

    And I see SHW has maintained distributorship of Dinkelacker -- @Cstamp3084

    *Ah - I see now that Sieb has the subtitle of S&H East... so yeah, maybe they just liked that old separation of powers from the pre AB-InBev Spaten days.
     
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  11. jesskidden

    jesskidden Poo-Bah (2,426) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Yeah, and on the Louis Sieb site's "Our Team" page it says:
    With a link to S&H West that is defunct, but, obviously it's meant for the new SHW site - the "W" no doubt for "West" ... or is it "Wagner"? So, is Irene Wagner the same woman as Irene Sieb (married vs maiden name) - both names are listed as the "manager" of S&H?
    And here = Irene R Sieb - Other observed names | Irene Wagner

    Wait, what was the question? :grin:

    Or just not kept their website up to date? I don't know, with these two outfits, if I'd trust anything on the websites.:wink:
     
  12. rgordon

    rgordon Meyvn (1,236) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina

     
  13. rgordon

    rgordon Meyvn (1,236) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina

    Oops.....Snow in the computer....
     
  14. Chaz

    Chaz Poo-Bah (2,243) Feb 3, 2002 Minnesota
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    What a logjam this turned out to be, and an all around shame for a good and once reliable brand name!

    As I recall… Spaten North America had Dinkel Acker as a part of its portfolio until the “purchase” (merger and acquisition, and subsequent consolidation, although Interbrew had had a minority stake in the company as far back as 1994) with the new parent (Interbrew, later InBev), roughly 20 years ago.

    Just prior to that, the import division had made a format addition (adding 2x12 330mL N.R. to the 20x500 mL, 4 x 3L mini kegs, and 4x6 N.R. master cases) and doing something of a “push” for the Dinkel Acker brands.

    This was great for the brand name in the North American market, because it had always had a lesser presence and focus than Spaten (and other Munich brands). BUT… then comes the big reorganization, and the Dinkel Acker brands are lost in the shuffle, unlike the Spaten brands somehow made to remain a part of the Anheuser-Busch North America import division (which —like most of the other importers— has changed names and staff so frequently it isn’t even funny). What a wasted effort!

    When fresh, both the Pils and Dunkel were good (if not great) stylistic examples. But as they were always of lesser focus than the Spaten brands, it was difficult to find them regularly, let alone fresh. And this is twenty-plus years ago, before the BIG reshuffle of the deck at InBev.

    When Dinkel Acker finally returned to the U.S. (in 2014, or so?) after many years, it was only the Pils, and only available in ONE format — 500 mL cans.

    Even when fresh, this new formulation of the Pils was a dull shadow of its former self, with no real crispness or sharpness. No doubt that it had over the decades fallen to the same name brand value of the most basic (and cheap) “Fernseh” biers, but it had at one point been a fairly good Pils, and this seemed to be the final nail in the coffin of the brand. To which end, there are nowadays much better U.S.-brewed (Craft and larger, quasi-Craft brands such as Trumer) Pilsners available without too much driving around town, and so it isn’t a great loss.

    I don’t think the Dunkel ever made it here, although the Oktoberfest bier did receive similar, canned treatment. And while at least good (and much better than the flagship brand) it was likewise spotty in availability.

    Like I said: A sad turn of events for a formerly good and reliable brand.
     
  15. jesskidden

    jesskidden Poo-Bah (2,426) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    "Drink a Dink" as they used to say.
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  16. Chaz

    Chaz Poo-Bah (2,243) Feb 3, 2002 Minnesota
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    A fine slogan to return to! :grin:

    Hey! At least the tee-shirts would be all the rage on etsy.
     
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  17. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,373) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    When DA was first distributed in the US it was actually brewed under license by Spaten for export -- I had to double-take the label. My local retailer always had great 12-pack prices and the Pils was my house beer for a very long time.

    When AB-InBev started mucking around with Spaten they dropped the DA brewing -- maybe Spaten USA had something to do with teaming Spaten & Dinkelacker, dunno.

    But I agree with Chaz, when DA started coming back to the US, direct from Stuttgart, it wasn't the same beer to my palate and I was disappointed. Their Okto wasn't any better to me.
     
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  18. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,373) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    FWIW -- I had the DA Okto insitu at the Canstatter Volkfest and it was great -- something about exporting it just isn't working.
     
  19. jesskidden

    jesskidden Poo-Bah (2,426) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Yeah, I thought I remembered that, too, in recent years but couldn't find any info on it.

    Well, that wasn't the first time, at least not on the east coast - it was around in the 1960s (below left - NJ State prices) into the 1980s, imported by Dieter Steinmann, Inc., founded in the 1960s and claimed to be the "sole US importer" of Dinkelacker.

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    I remember coming across it on tap in some strange places (like little bars set up in the back of a liquor store, once common in NJ) and being pretty cheap, too. But, in the 1970s, "cheap" for an import might have meant 50¢ a glass rather than 75¢ - 90¢.
     
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  20. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,373) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    I'll have to see if I saved a label.
    Okay, first time in *my* drinking lifetime (which is actually a pretty freaking long time). :wink:

    I wish I could remember when I first saw DA and decided to give it a try -- probably early 90s. I just remember it had a great mix of bready melanoidin malt and spicy bitter noble hops. Something I haven't encountered in any German (or German-style) Pils since, except fresh Ayinger Bavarian Pils.
     
  21. jesskidden

    jesskidden Poo-Bah (2,426) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Found it. Back when they were still Spaten North America and on Long Island - early 2000s label below.[​IMG]

    So... ya missed out on the 50¢ draughts, I guess?:grimacing:
     
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  22. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,373) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    I remember an all green border back in the 90s -- but maybe my memory playing tricks.
    Never saw DA on draft anywhere around here -- but a lot of .50¢ BMC drafts at college! :grin::nauseated_face:

    (and those were probably 10 oz. glasses! :rolling_eyes:)
     
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  23. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (2,952) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Also "The Mercedes of beers", which may have been true 40 years ago. :wink::sunglasses:
     
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  24. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (2,952) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    I was going to suggest a substitute but then noticed that you're already familiar with Schilling. :grin:
     
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  25. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,373) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Okay, maybe green to gold. Prolly the green bottle playing the trix.

    But metallic gold. :wink:
     
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  26. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,373) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Well, MB being headquartered in Stuttgart along with DA might have been the hook.

    At least they didn't choose Porsche. :wink:
     
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  27. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,373) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    I always want to say Trumer, but then I remember they aren't widely distributed.
     
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  28. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (2,952) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Dinkel Acker? Never heard of it :wink::grin:
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  29. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,373) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Uh, dude? When did you last use that boot? :grin::astonished:

    BTW -- Where was the mini keg brewed?
     
  30. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (2,952) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Heh, it's been a decoration since the 1980s. Probably time for a good cleaning, though. :wink:
     
  31. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (2,952) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    'West' Germany :wink:
    [​IMG]

    That's actually a recent acquisition that my wife got at a garage sale- a pretty good find on her part.
     
  32. Cstamp3084

    Cstamp3084 Initiate (76) May 3, 2020 Maryland
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    At 9 months old this one is pretty damn tasty. I’ve had no luck finding dinkelacker in Md, va, or dc. I have reached out to a few distributors. I’ll see if I get a response.
     
  33. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,373) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    I mentioned Ayinger Bavarian Pils before; if you can find it fresh, it's one of the best.

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/39/184287/?ba=steveh#review
     
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  34. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (2,952) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    I don't know if anything has changed but I've been able to get it in NJ- the most recent time was around last October. I'll have to take a look the next time I'm at that store.
     
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  35. Cstamp3084

    Cstamp3084 Initiate (76) May 3, 2020 Maryland
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    I have been as far north as voorhees nj to stock up on jacks Abby. At the time I wasn’t looking for dinkelacker but if you find some let me know I don’t mind a ride.
     
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  36. Cstamp3084

    Cstamp3084 Initiate (76) May 3, 2020 Maryland
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    so far I’ve had ayinger, rothaus, paulaner, Konig, veltins, warsteiner, bitburger, jever, radeberger, weihenstephaner and hofbrau wurzburger it comes to imported German pilsners.
     
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  37. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,373) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    And you're still looking for Dinkelacker?

    Würzburger HB is a good fresh one, too.
     
  38. Cstamp3084

    Cstamp3084 Initiate (76) May 3, 2020 Maryland
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    yes I went looking today with no luck ended up getting a six pack of kostrizer schwarzbier.
     
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  39. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,373) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Heh. The "dark Pilsner." :wink:
     
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  40. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (2,952) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Will do.

    Also, if you're interested in a good Pilsner with a hoppy bite make sure to try Double Nickel the next time you're in NJ.
     
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