What is the beer that could finally put us on the map (Texas)

Discussion in 'Southwest' started by BruceBruce, Jan 10, 2013.

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  1. BruceBruce

    BruceBruce Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2011 Texas

    I think that BBA Hellfighter has a chance, but if BBA Real Ale Was in a bottle it would be the one for sure. What are your thoughts....
  2. gomezman78

    gomezman78 Initiate (37) Mar 30, 2011 Texas

    Put Texas on the map in what sense?

    I will point out that Endeavour won Silver at World Beer Cup in it's first competition. No small feat in the DIPA category. Is that the wrong map?
  3. BruceBruce

    BruceBruce Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2011 Texas

    Yeah I appreciate that, but I feel like if you posted FT: Endeavour you would have way less responses then FT: random JK that end up being rated low (even if that is just Tx being hard on Tx) Maybe I should say what will be the next big beer out of here, but I don't feel like we have had one that is REALLY sought after other then maybe Funk
  4. BruceBruce

    BruceBruce Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2011 Texas

    and that is being easy on Funk, but still one of my favorite beers from here
  5. gomezman78

    gomezman78 Initiate (37) Mar 30, 2011 Texas

    Such is the trend of beer drinkers now...JK is still new and they're trying to do a lot of what is popular now, which is the Belgian/Sour/Farmhouse/etc. And they also don't produce a whole lot and it's very infrequent. The "rarity" of their beers and the fact that they mostly produce styles that are trending right now makes them more sought after, regardless of quality.

    Sours are the new DIPA
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  6. elWhite

    elWhite Initiate (39) Aug 29, 2006 Texas
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    Got a really good feeling about the new Darkside project.
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  7. gomezman78

    gomezman78 Initiate (37) Mar 30, 2011 Texas

    I also feel like this is just being hard on Texas.

    Texas has a lot of great beers and breweries that are way better than a lot of what's coming out of the other 49 states.
  8. MattSweatshirt

    MattSweatshirt Initiate (0) Jun 29, 2011 Texas
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    It's going to take a few beers from different breweries to "put Texas on the map." If Live Oak bottled it would easier. There won't be A beer that does it.
  9. starkmarvelo

    starkmarvelo Disciple (370) Jan 20, 2010 Texas
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    Shiner Bock.
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  10. gomezman78

    gomezman78 Initiate (37) Mar 30, 2011 Texas

    Let's not forget the National Beer of Texas...Lone Star
  11. Lutter

    Lutter Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2010 Texas

    I had a friend visit from the UK and he took back a 30-pack of Lone Star. Apparently it's quite popular in Britain and fetches 5 british pounds at a bar. I'm not kidding.

    It was like his version of Westvleteran 12. He couldn't believe how "bloody cheap!" it was.
  12. Lutter

    Lutter Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2010 Texas

    As far as putting Texas on the map... we need to change some beer laws before that happens, IMHO.

    Anyone who has traded Freetail knows this to be true.

    Changing laws (brewpub laws & licensing laws, especially) can only lead to increased growth, less stress on the bottom line, and more room to expand out of Texas. Very few breweries make it out of state.

    Can you name 1 brewery besides Shiner, for instance, that makes it to 5 or more states? (not counting BMC made in Ft. Worth & Houston :slight_smile: ). St. Arnold is considered huge and they distribute to ONE additional state (Lousiana)
  13. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2012 Texas

    Southern Star made it to Chicago. Not sure if anyone else gets it.
  14. wsnich

    wsnich Initiate (0) Apr 26, 2010 Texas

    Given that breweries cant sell directly to the public and do release days like DLD or PtY, there just isnt much hype built up around the release. Everything is considered shelf beer.
  15. Texas_Speed

    Texas_Speed Initiate (0) Aug 22, 2012 Texas

    Do we really want Texas to be on the "Map"? I mean, every time there is a limited release of anything in Texas it sells out quick. So, if Texas is on the Map that is just going to make that many more people chasing the already limited released beers. Those of us living in Texas know just how great the beer is here and I look at it almost like a well kept secret.

    And to Lutter's point, I would love to see the laws in the state change to make things easier on the breweries and brewpubs.
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  16. frogfan

    frogfan Initiate (0) Sep 4, 2009 Texas

    Soon to be 3 states - read they were adding Oklahoma soon.
  17. starkmarvelo

    starkmarvelo Disciple (370) Jan 20, 2010 Texas
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    Yes, we want Texas on the map. But we just don't sell to outsiders. You must show local ID ;-)

    Seriously, I think we'll get there. I just don't want to be buying $30 bottles a la Bruery.
  18. LarryK

    LarryK Disciple (333) Jul 13, 2012 Texas
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    East coaster here that thinks TX breweries are already firmly on the craft beer map. I'm a hop head and have a ton of respect for many of the wonderful IPAs/DIPAs I've been fortunate enough to try, including the various offerings from Deep Ellum, Live Oak, (512), Independence, Southern Star, Karbach, etc.

    I'd go so far as to say that I'd put Lost Gold among my top national IPAs; I had it two months ago and was blown away to the point of wondering whether they'd tweaked the recipe -- I didn't remember it being that good the first time I'd had it a little over a year ago.
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  19. kmello69

    kmello69 Defender (618) Nov 27, 2011 Texas
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    I dont want to be on the map. These beers are hard enough to chase down here as it is.

    I was just in DC for a week, and went for a few beers at Churchkey (great craft bar). The bartender told me that he had literally never even SEEN a TX beer in that area, and we're setting up a trade. People WANT to try our beers, regardless of whether there is a "one" for the map or not.
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  20. pwsoldier

    pwsoldier Devotee (438) Apr 26, 2007 Texas

    Jester King.

    In my opinion, the craft beer boom is the main reason why it's hard for TX to establish a nationwide sensation. The increase in craft beer drinkers, breweries, and out-of-state brands in TX alone over the past few years is staggering, and the same thing is happening nationwide. This is a wonderful thing for TX in general, but not so much for the trading potential of our beer. La Muerta and Jester King sours are losing trade value because more breweries across the nation are making beers of equal or greater quality. And let's face it, we have yet to produce a solid, easily available (meaning year-round) gem. Endeavour is great, but it's still relatively new to the market and doesn't come close to overpowering DIPAs from other states (Pliny, Abrasive, Dreadnaught, Hop Stoopid, etc.)

    The people who fell in love with Freetail and Jester King from the beginning will continue to trade for it, but I think it'll take a while for a TX brewery to make a nationwide impression anytime in the near future. And the same is true for other states as well. Some brands have been established for years, most of the other greats are just trends that will fizzle out. Just look at the BA Top 100 list and how frequently it changes. It used to be damn near chiseled in stone.

    In short, be grateful for the great beers we have and don't be too disappointed when said beers don't land you whales in the trading market. It's just beer.
  21. jamescain

    jamescain Meyvn (1,002) Jul 14, 2009 Texas
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    You know what I find interesting about this thread. The talk is more so about trade bait then actual quality of beers. Texas, whether you think so or not, actually does produce some world class beers. They are just not in high demand outside of the state. I would personally rather have world class beers that I can easily buy rather then something I can't get because everyone else outside of the state wants it. I think Texas is certainty on the map for producing good beers, just not hyped beers. I'm fine with that.
  22. JohnBender

    JohnBender Zealot (566) Apr 20, 2012 Texas

    FWIW, Southern Star (Albeit only 6)

  23. kunstdrache

    kunstdrache Initiate (0) Sep 22, 2006 Texas

    Something to consider...WA is a state that would be considered one of those states with fairly loose beer laws and called a great beer state, yet they're in the same shoes as we are with their version of "what beer will finally put us on par with Oregon". Don't believe me? Check out this hilarious thread where they're bitching about how WA has no rare beer (now going onto page 23).
    Point is, like James said, it's really all about hype.

    Keep in mind, WA is a great beer state mainly due to their outstanding beer distro and their proximity to CA and OR, although they will be soon losing RR...

    P.S. To be fair to WA they have Fremont which is making some excellent beer.
  24. Texas_Speed

    Texas_Speed Initiate (0) Aug 22, 2012 Texas

    Wow! I had no idea they distributed to that many states.

    I agree. I don't ever trade with anyone, so trade value means nothing to me. I enjoy all the great beer Texas has to offer and I enjoy being able to get my hands on them pretty easily.
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  25. jamescain

    jamescain Meyvn (1,002) Jul 14, 2009 Texas
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    I still trade but I very rarely trade with someone I have not traded with before. I just don't understand why beer has to be rated by its trade value rather then its actual taste. I think its interesting the different factors that influence how we perceive beer.
  26. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2012 Texas

  27. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2012 Texas

    Sadly, this is how we get once we've had the local stuff. We want to experience new beers and the only way to do so is trade since nothing can ship from a store to us.

    And honestly, good barrel aged stuff is very rare in our state. It's even harder to get your hands on it in bottles.

    I think thats why the hype train passes TX.

    I'll live though.
  28. kmello69

    kmello69 Defender (618) Nov 27, 2011 Texas
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    Thats what I meant what I said I dont want to be on the map. I think TX is making some great beers right now, and I'm actually happy that they're not as hyped, because then they'd be even harder to get than they are. I'll just keep drinking them myself.

    Hype is meaningless - I've tasted some super hyped beers I thought were crap. And if you want to trade (I only trade with a few buddies not on BA) people DO like TX beers and want to drink them, even without much hype.
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  29. jamescain

    jamescain Meyvn (1,002) Jul 14, 2009 Texas
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    Good barrel aged stuff in TX is not as rare as you think, it is just not as hyped. I think the big issue with people in TX is that most assume other people are producing better beers then what they can find locally or that our distribution is so bad we can't get anything good. I prefer trading to buying online anyway, but to say that you are forced to trade because you have had "everything" local I can only imagine is not true. I'm not saying trading is bad I'm just saying that we tend to rate beers based off of "trade value" and assume the are superior because they are highly sought after.
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  30. starkmarvelo

    starkmarvelo Disciple (370) Jan 20, 2010 Texas
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    "Trade value" is a real thing, and a lot of people shrug it off. Has anyone noticed that Pumpkinator is rated as world class now that quick scores count in the overall score? so this should help a bit. I trade on occasion, and it's never for anything special, so Texas beer get me what I'm after. Especially Freetail and jester King. You just have to use what you got. Maybe it will take two bottles for one. But anything can be had, especially since there are a lot of generous BAs out there.
  31. jamescain

    jamescain Meyvn (1,002) Jul 14, 2009 Texas
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    But does it actually improve the taste of the beer?
  32. starkmarvelo

    starkmarvelo Disciple (370) Jan 20, 2010 Texas
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    Nope. But the reality is that a lot (not all) people trade based off of scores. My philosophy is, I have a beer you want to try, you have a beer I want to try. Lets trade.

    I look at the written reviews and see what flavors other people taste, and that's how I decide what I want to trade for.
  33. champ103

    champ103 Poo-Bah (3,843) Sep 3, 2007 Texas
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    We have had this beer for a long time already. Live Oak Hefe has not only been in top 100 since people first started reviewing it, people are always trading for growlers of it, and it is just a damn good beer that is fairly easy to find around Texas anymore.
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  34. jamescain

    jamescain Meyvn (1,002) Jul 14, 2009 Texas
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    That's exactly what I do.
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  35. starkmarvelo

    starkmarvelo Disciple (370) Jan 20, 2010 Texas
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    Great minds think alike.
  36. pwsoldier

    pwsoldier Devotee (438) Apr 26, 2007 Texas

    Yep. If anything, Live Oak Hefe is the beer that put TX on the map.

    FWIW, I only have a couple of people that I trade with regularly, and I give them exclusively TX beers. They can't get enough. We may not have hype, but people are starting to notice us. I'll never get sick of drinking TX brews. There's just too many great ones out there these days. I did a lot more trading earlier in my craft days because our distro was garbage and there were only a handful of good TX breweries. The progress we have made since then almost makes me proud enough to actually call myself a "Texan". :wink:
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  37. BruceBruce

    BruceBruce Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2011 Texas

    Was just bored late at night, but there are some great points on here. So we should all call the congressman, then petition Live Oak to bottle, and be happy with what we have because we could be Oklahoma (not sure of their actual distribution based solely on the fact that I would never want to live there)
  38. jamescain

    jamescain Meyvn (1,002) Jul 14, 2009 Texas
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    ISO: shelf cantillon
  39. kevinscott

    kevinscott Aspirant (227) Oct 21, 2008 Texas

    Visit Stein's Deli in New Orleans. Lots of dusty old bottles last time I was in there.
  40. DanzBorin

    DanzBorin Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2012 Texas

    Come to Houston and go into specs looking for a good BBA Stout. Anything local is sold out before it hits the shelf. The only other stuff that I think of on the shelf is BBA Dogfather which is awful.

    Almost all BBA beer in Texas is kegged.

    Jester King barrel ages, but pretty much just sours. Obviously Whiskey Rodeo, but that was so super limited it hardly counts.

    I hope we get bigger programs going with our breweries for barrels. Some companies that have been out there for less time have way bigger barrel programs. See Firestone Walker and Founders for examples. I think that even though some breweries have been around for a good while, the state had such a small amount of breweries that they didn't do some of these things. As the industries grows, I hope it does things to create new and even greater beer.
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