what is/was THE standard for brown ale?

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  1. Brunite

    Brunite Initiate (0) Sep 21, 2009 Illinois

    As stated by others; Samuel Smith is the template beer...the classic. Some may be better but this one is still world class. Newcastle? Yeah...the first for many here but BMCish in comparison and hindsight.

    For American versions; Smutty Brown Dog & Avery Ellie's would be my favorites. Fat Squirrel is good but no longer year-around.

    I am hesitant to mention it for fear it gets too popular (I think it is their best seller now), but Tyranena's Rocky's Revenge is a great BA Brown.
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  2. canucklehead

    canucklehead Poo-Bah (2,464) Mar 7, 2003 British Columbia (Canada)

    It is interesting to see that there is really not that many browns out there compared to pale ales or IPAs which is probably how Moose Drool does so well . I always compare any brown to Sam Smiths and any NA brown ale to DFH Indian.
  3. dennis3951

    dennis3951 Crusader (730) Mar 6, 2008 New Jersey
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    Brooklyn Brown Ale
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  4. ferillo

    ferillo Devotee (482) Sep 12, 2009 Massachusetts
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    HF George
  5. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (1,818) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    True, but I was under the impression that was mostly in regards to their cask bitters, and didn't extend to their Taddy Porter, Oatmeal Stout, Nut Brown Ale and whatnot.
  6. LarryAppleton

    LarryAppleton Aspirant (269) Dec 1, 2012 Quebec (Canada)
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    Although no ones mentioning Belgium for Brown Ales, Leffe Brun is my favorite brown, hands down. Factor in the low cost, and it's even better.
  7. codysjb

    codysjb Devotee (423) Jun 16, 2010 Prince Edward Island (Canada)
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    Moose drool. Its the only one I can actually get through a bottle of... I can't think of a less favorite style than brown ales, id rather drink pbr since at least I don't have to taste it. To me brown ales are a confused mix between a pale and stout that decided to go dark and turned back halfway through but got roasted but not tasty in the process.
  8. MammaGoose

    MammaGoose Initiate (0) Jan 10, 2013 Wyoming

    Browns don't get a lot of love from craft beer drinkers, it seems like. Kind of like ambers. And I agree they are somewhat boring. But I appreciate a good brown. A good brown is an easy beer, subtle, and mellow. I like to drink a brown on an early Fall day.

    I haven't had a lot of the beers mentioned in this thread, but I do agree with Moose Drool and Ellie's Brown. Both are good solid beers with no detracting extra qualities.

    I personally love Rogue's Hazelnut Nectar, it's like dessert, but I wouldn't say it's a classic brown. It's very...well...nectary (hazelnutty honey and molasses is what I think of) which isn't necessarily common in browns.
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  9. chinabeergeek

    chinabeergeek Meyvn (1,256) Aug 10, 2007 Massachusetts
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    to a lot of UK beer folks, bottled beer is a distant second choice to begin with, other than for a few specific styles like barleywine.
  10. frazbri

    frazbri Crusader (733) Oct 29, 2003 Ohio

    The now defunct Pete's Wicked Ale was the most notable of americanized brown ales and Newcastle has to be the most popular brown ale in the US. I'm not sure either were truly benchmarks of the style.
  11. PangaeaBeerFood

    PangaeaBeerFood Initiate (0) Nov 30, 2008 New York

    I think a lot of people are misinterpreting this thread. He isn't asking for your favorite Brown Ale, he's asking for Brown Ales that have become archetypal and/or set the standard for the style.

    In my opinion, four come to mind:

    Sam Smith's Nut Brown Ale - It's been around forever and set the tone for the English Brown Ale style.

    Brooklyn Brown Ale - It's been around longer than the craft beer industry, or even the term, "craft beer" and basically set the stage for the American Brown Ale category.

    Avery Ellie's Brown Ale / Smuttynose Old Brown Dog - I think of these as quintessential modern-day Brown Ales that are incredibly delicious, and hit the style guidelines to a T. Ironically, they both involve dogs.
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  12. patto1ro

    patto1ro Defender (617) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands

    How long is forever? I don't believe it's any older than the 1970's.

    Taddy Brown Ale, on the other hand, which I don't think is brewed any longer, was around in the 1930's. That looks a much more typical English Brown Ale, just 3% ABV.
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  13. rails

    rails Initiate (145) Nov 8, 2012 California
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    Downtown brown from Lost Coast sets the standard the first craft beer I ever had back in 1998
  14. ThirstyFace

    ThirstyFace Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 New York

    I love Shed Mountain Ale, Anchor Brekles Brown, CCB Maduro, but most of all, Bear Republic Pete Browns Tribute.

    I thought Tumbler got better over last year, but I heard no mention of a recipe change.
  15. nopucophop

    nopucophop Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2009 New York
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    One that I love is Lazy Magnolia Southern Pecan. May not be the end all be all but it is mighty fine.
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  16. slander

    slander Site Editor (1,785) Nov 5, 2001 New York

    Pete's Wicked Ale circa 1992
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  17. Rosty

    Rosty Initiate (0) Nov 29, 2006 California
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    Totally agree. "What Rocks!"
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  18. jesskidden

    jesskidden Meyvn (1,223) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey

    Hindy's book, Beer School, says that Brooklyn Brown Ale was introduced in 1989, by which time what has come to be known as the "craft beer industry" was nearly a decade and half old. The term "craft beer" itself was already being used by then, as well, but was not as common as "microbrew".

    Yeah, I've seen it listed as one of the beers Charles Finkel requested that Samuel Smith brew for the US market for his Merchant du Vin company, along with some others like their Porter and Oatmeal Stout. Smith did brew a brown ale they marketed in the UK (in the '80's, at least) as Old Brewery Strong Brown Ale - with a label/color identical to the US Nut Brown Ale of the same era.
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  19. ESeab

    ESeab Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2013 New Jersey

    Definatly not DFH (which both the Palo and IBA are some of my favorite beers, ever)

    Smutty old brown dog (I have a really old brown dog im waiting to try)
    Rogue Brown Nut
    Once upon a time I really liked Brooklyn Brown
    SN Tumbler
  20. PangaeaBeerFood

    PangaeaBeerFood Initiate (0) Nov 30, 2008 New York

    I was being hyperbolic. But even so, I stand by the fact that Brooklyn Brown is one of the earlier American-Style Brown Ales in the way that we know the style today.

    Same as above, I'm being hyperbolic. Though through the lens of the modern American brewing industry, 1970's is ancient history. I'm aware that Brown Ales existed long before that, but the OP wasn't asking about historical origins of the style, he was asking about archetypes. I think Sam Smith's Nut Brown is one of the older Brown Ales in reference to the style as we know it today, and certainly the oldest that is still readily available on shelves in the US.
  21. alexipa

    alexipa Devotee (435) Oct 7, 2011 Colorado
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    It doesn't fit the criteria for the thread, but I feel like every discussion about brown ales needs to include a mention to Upslope Brown. Just an amazing beer.

    As for the thread, I agree with Samuel Smith overall and Avery Ellie's on the US side.
  22. alexgash

    alexgash Poo-Bah (2,473) Jun 18, 2003 Connecticut

    Hard to argue with Bell's Best Brown, Surly Bender, and Smuttynose Old Brown Dog.
  23. Stignacious

    Stignacious Defender (634) Aug 24, 2011 New York
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    DFH Nut Brown and Smuttynose Old Dog Brown ale are tops for me
  24. Boilerfood

    Boilerfood Initiate (0) Jun 5, 2012 Indiana

    Sun King
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  25. BierGartenok

    BierGartenok Initiate (0) Apr 4, 2009 Oklahoma

    Newcastle, Ellie's Brown, Bell's Best, lost coast downtown brown, Moose Drool, Tilburg's Dutch Brown
  26. garuda

    garuda Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2010 Pennsylvania

    Smuttynose Old Brown Dog
    Avery Eliie's Brown Ale
    Pretty Things St. Botolph's Town
  27. Danielbt

    Danielbt Initiate (0) May 4, 2012 Texas

    Moose Drool and Brooklyn Brown and my favorite common browns.
  28. patto1ro

    patto1ro Defender (617) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands

    How could I have forgotten that? I must be getting old.

    Old Brewery Strong Brown Ale was an obvious Newky Brown ripoff/rival. I can remember it being around in the 1970's.Based on the analyses I have of Sam Smith's beers from the 1930's to the 1950's, I don't think it's any older than that.
  29. coryking

    coryking Initiate (153) Sep 21, 2008 Missouri
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    A little local brewery here in STL makes the best brown Ive ever had. Civil Life Brown. If you get a chance to have it, try it. Just a super solid, to style, balanced, great brown...

    My second pick would be Bells Best Brown...
  30. BottleCaps80

    BottleCaps80 Zealot (592) Jan 12, 2013 Iowa
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    I'm in the Hazelnut Brown Nectar camp. Love that beer.
  31. antilite

    antilite Initiate (158) Jan 1, 2012 Florida

    Bolita, baby.
  32. PeterJ

    PeterJ Initiate (69) Dec 5, 2012 California

    Maybe, but Indian Brown is an amazing brown ale. I also absolutely LOVE Maduro from Cigar City.

    As for the standard- probably Samuel Smiths Nut Brown. for $3 a pint it doesn't better
  33. Providence

    Providence Initiate (0) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island

    St. Botolph's is kick ass.
  34. chinabeergeek

    chinabeergeek Meyvn (1,256) Aug 10, 2007 Massachusetts
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    i think dann's only offered it on cask once or twice (i had it at deep ellum), but my experience was AWESOME. totally different from the bottle, which is just ok for me.
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  35. chinabeergeek

    chinabeergeek Meyvn (1,256) Aug 10, 2007 Massachusetts
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    the "retired beers you'd like to see come back" thread has reminded me of: Goose Island Nut Brown

    i'm still holding out hope that AB-inbev will resume bottling this stuff again...
  36. Steamer

    Steamer Initiate (0) Dec 13, 2012 Missouri

    Samuel Smith's Nut Brown gets my vote.
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  37. Jacurdy60

    Jacurdy60 Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2013 Massachusetts

    Great divide Hibernation ale is very good. A little too malty, but I love it
  38. DruRho

    DruRho Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2012 Maryland

    Beat me to it!
  39. Providence

    Providence Initiate (0) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island

    Would LOVE to have it on cask.
  40. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (1,818) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    I still see that around- is it really all old beer?
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