What the hell happened to Sea Hag???

Discussion in 'New England' started by Robtobfest, Oct 31, 2014.

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  1. Robtobfest

    Robtobfest Disciple (324) Oct 21, 2009 Connecticut

    I was excited to see this on tap tonight at the first restaurant I went to I returned the pint telling them that it was not sea hag then I went to another restaurant with some coworkers same thing filtered different color definitely not the same beer and don't judge me went to a third bar on the way home Sea Hag again same thing filtered crystal clear. not the same beer whatsoever what the hell is going on????
     
  2. timotao

    timotao Disciple (332) Sep 16, 2013 New York
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    Did you taste it?
     
  3. chamawaiian

    chamawaiian Initiate (0) Sep 21, 2013 North Carolina

    Idk what to tell you man..what part of CT? Fresh seahag cans lately have been superb. Draft as well in the Hartford area.
     
  4. chamawaiian

    chamawaiian Initiate (0) Sep 21, 2013 North Carolina

    Also just from my personal experience of always having nebco in my fridge for the last couple years, I can tell you their batches are either not very consistent, or maybe they are constantly tweaking recipe. Hag is drinking better than Gandhi right now..in cans at least. I want the bot back from 6 months ago!
     
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  5. Pwbres

    Pwbres Aspirant (226) Mar 25, 2013 Maine

    What the hell happened to punctuation???
     
  6. Robtobfest

    Robtobfest Disciple (324) Oct 21, 2009 Connecticut

    Voice text.....not English class. Sorry guys! Yes , tried it. Different beer. Great beer but different. Not speaking about cans just the draft. This was never filtered, right? Well now it is. Plan B Glastonbury, Max Amore Glastonbury, 2Bros Salem. If I'm alone on this then I guess I'm crazy and sorry to waste your time.
     
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  7. pbrian

    pbrian Defender (610) Feb 8, 2001 Connecticut

    Maybe I'll have to go to Plan B Glast today for lunch, for, you know, scientific research.
     
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  8. Lamnic

    Lamnic Initiate (0) Mar 1, 2012 Connecticut

    The cans I got dated 10/15 of Gandhi are incredible. Sea Hag doesn't come close.

    That said, although hag fluctuates from batch to batch, it's always in the same realm and I can always drink one and tell it's a Sea Hag. Maybe it's Hartford area kegs of sea hag they just released, because in FC it's tasting great as always.
     
  9. TRFD803

    TRFD803 Initiate (0) Oct 23, 2012 Connecticut

    Picked up a 6 pack canned 10/20/2014 and I thought it was fantastic.
     
  10. CChap

    CChap Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2014 Connecticut

    The same situation w Bot over the last two weeks. It's filtered differently, color change,isn't the same although it is still a good beer.
     
  11. pjs234

    pjs234 Devotee (456) Jun 29, 2008 Connecticut

    While I love NEBCO, their biggest problem is the inconsistency of their beers. They really do vary too much from batch to batch. Sometimes this is a good thing, as they really hit some of them way out of the park. Other times the beers seem to miss the mark. Would be nice if they could just dial it in and have the same beer each time they brew it.
     
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  12. Berman1125

    Berman1125 Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2014 Connecticut

    I'm glad I'm not the only one. Having some Gandhi on tap at the moment. It seems a little paler in color and is a little more bitter...still a very good brew but not what I remember. My very recently canned Sea Hags taste as usual.
     
  13. WesFoxlove

    WesFoxlove Initiate (0) Jun 12, 2013 Massachusetts

    Haven't had the Sea Hag since maybe Jan/Feb, and probably only 6-8x ever... But grabbed a fresh 6-pack this weekend and have to say this is the best I've ever had it outta the can. Damn tasty:

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  14. Robtobfest

    Robtobfest Disciple (324) Oct 21, 2009 Connecticut

    I agree the canned version is the same and damn awesome. The draft right now.....different beer.
     
  15. Seakyden

    Seakyden Initiate (168) Apr 25, 2010 Massachusetts

    I miss the old recipie. In the last year the recipie jiggering made this beer lose all of its bite. Used to be one of my favorites and now I'm really not into it anymore.
     
  16. Littlelotte88

    Littlelotte88 Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 Connecticut

    Part of the problem I have noticed is stores hoard sea hag and bot.
     
  17. PenningtonNY10

    PenningtonNY10 Initiate (153) Nov 20, 2009 Connecticut

    Really? It improved things for me.
     
  18. CTJman

    CTJman Champion (818) Jan 14, 2013 Connecticut
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    i cant say ive noticed any change. if you consider draft what is poured into my growlers then id have to say im still in love with the hag.
     
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  19. Guzzle_McBrew

    Guzzle_McBrew Initiate (0) Feb 17, 2014 Connecticut

    I got a growler of Hag the week before last and it tasted/looked different from usual to me, to an extent. Less grapefruit/orange concentration, and it poured pretty much clear rather than turbid. That said, it wasn't that different from usual, and anyone who knows Nebco knows part of the fun is the variance in beer-sometimes you hit the jackpot!

    I attest that there have been one or two GBot batches that were just about the best DIPA I have ever had...the usual Gandhi is on point, but every once in a while the Bot hops in the phonebooth and comes out with it's cape on.
     
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  20. Guzzle_McBrew

    Guzzle_McBrew Initiate (0) Feb 17, 2014 Connecticut

    Also, any Sea Hag, GBot, or Supernaut fans: I heavily urge you to try Fat Ten Er 11, which I am fondly calling Gandhi-Naut. Key player hops from each of those three brews doing their respective thangs; drink it, its official.
     
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  21. Drufus

    Drufus Initiate (0) Apr 23, 2007 Connecticut

    I had some on draft at Bricks and Barley in Shelton last week. It was flat. Then I got a different beer and that was flat too. I blame the bar. Something must have been going on with their draft system.
     
  22. Stum-pub

    Stum-pub Initiate (0) Sep 2, 2013 Connecticut

    Soooo good.
     
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  23. Patbrown2

    Patbrown2 Initiate (130) Nov 27, 2013 Connecticut

    Just picked up Hag yesterday (dated 10/21) and noticed the lack of citrus as well.
     
  24. HeavyDandtheGirls

    HeavyDandtheGirls Initiate (197) Mar 7, 2014 Massachusetts

    CT BA's: I will be in Enfield this week, any packey suggestions for my best spot to score some NEBCO? Specifically Sea Hag. Last time I stumbled across some but a somewhat sure bet would make things easier.
     
  25. bfitzge2

    bfitzge2 Aspirant (267) Jul 21, 2010 Massachusetts
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    I'd hit up the Liquor Cabinet in Granby; Joe's in East Windsor used to have a lot, but lately all they've been had on hand is 668. Wish I had better news, but it's been hard to track down this far North.
     
  26. freshcarl

    freshcarl Aspirant (250) Sep 7, 2013 Connecticut

    Picked up a 6-pack dated 10/30, and thought it tasted very different. I am fully aware of batch variations, but this batch wasn't even close. There was none of the big citrus that you love so much from Sea Hag, and it appeared to be filtered. I was concerned that they might have changed the recipe again, but plenty of people on this thread confirmed otherwise. It's like they completely skipped a step in the brewing process, missed a late hop addition or dry hopping.
     
  27. darkandhoppy

    darkandhoppy Aspirant (247) Dec 26, 2008 Connecticut

    I bought 2 6 packs that had little white "11/20 14" stickers on them. They were AWESOME. not kidding. not filtered, JUICY
     
  28. pbrian

    pbrian Defender (610) Feb 8, 2001 Connecticut

    Ditto- Mine were 11/12 though. Yeah, they differ every now and again, but I'll take my chance with NEBCO anytime.
     
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  29. toconn

    toconn Initiate (0) Feb 24, 2014 Connecticut

    I agree, something is up. I've been going to the brewery about once a week for something like 2 years-ish. In my opinion, Gbot & Hag both really started to drop off not long after the old head brewer moved away and left NEBco. I'm not really sure if that was the cause, just suggesting that the two events seemed to happen on a somewhat similar timeframe. It's weird because I still really like a lot of their less frequent beers that they've continued to brew since. FBD, locust reign, galaxy pale ale, Fat 10'er #2, 7, 11 have all been great beers in the last 3-4 months... but Hag and GBot have been pouring clear, and the normal floral / fruity bouquet I'm used to has become dull and muted now. All speculation on my part, but I can't help but wonder if they're trying to stretch the hop bill to make their flagship beers more profitable.
     
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  30. Berman1125

    Berman1125 Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2014 Connecticut

    My sea hags have been tasty as hell. Gandhi a slightstep down from past years
     
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  31. AJ_Barbieri

    AJ_Barbieri Initiate (0) Jan 30, 2014 Connecticut

    I don't get it... Hag is drinking better than ever. Maybe it's a taste thing.
     
  32. threephase

    threephase Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2013 Connecticut

    Um.... Matt hasn't left. James was the assistant brewer and tended to be the curator of the more malty beers.

    That might be your problem there...
     
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  33. Guzzle_McBrew

    Guzzle_McBrew Initiate (0) Feb 17, 2014 Connecticut

    +1
    I find this sentiment peculiar;
    Matt Westfall, current head brewer for NEBCO, made Gandhi Bot and has been a big hand in designing and creating the other major IPA's from Nebco. Many of my favorite delicious hoppy offerings like the whole Fat-Ten-Er Series, SuperNaut and Locust Reign have been created in the last two years. I don't think any leavings have had a catastrophic effect on hoppy stuff. (I didn't know of an ex-head brewer leaving two years ago, but I wasn't as interested then...)

    Also, there have been some really thorough Gandhi Bot batches in the last year. It has gone up and down, and a little over a month ago I noticed a couple Sea Hag/Gandhi batches I wasn't too keen on, but saying they have gone downhill for two years seems potential for throwing the champagne out with the cork.

    TL/DR- Matt kills it and has continued to bring the hoppy noise. Gandhi and Hag have seen ups and downs but are not gone, lost, or in any steady decline. And yes, I am a fanb0i here, but I speak from genuine observation.
     
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  34. pbrian

    pbrian Defender (610) Feb 8, 2001 Connecticut

    Even an IPA should be fine after 5 weeks.
     
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  35. threephase

    threephase Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2013 Connecticut

    Yes... But if it has been sitting warm on a shelf and you expect the big fresh hop flavors and aromas of it being a few days old you are bound to be disappointed.
     
  36. pjs234

    pjs234 Devotee (456) Jun 29, 2008 Connecticut

    True, it can affect taste, but I don't think it explains why some batches are coming out perfectly clear and others murky
     
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  37. Coche

    Coche Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2014 Connecticut

    I have always found variance in bot and hag depending on the batch. A gentleman at a higher end liquor store told me that nebco had changed their recipes. He stated that sea hag was now a double ipa and gbot was a triple. I was not about argue with the guy because he was selling a 4 pack of gbot, wich they hoard and only give to certain folks who ask.
     
  38. threephase

    threephase Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2013 Connecticut

    Good point. I have a feeling yeast generation might have something to do with this. I know that someone experimenting with The Alchemists yeast strain found some attenuation issues with much higher generations of their yeast. Supposedly, this prompted The Alchemist to limit the number of generations. Wonder if something similar is happening here. Also, from what I have seen online as well homebrewers using this strain cultured from dregs of cans have much different experience in the yeast dropping based on the generation.
     
  39. Pahn

    Pahn Meyvn (1,431) Dec 2, 2009 New York

    yeah, matt is responsible for the hop goodness. whoever is thinking NEBCO hoppy beers are going down hill because they lost the "hoppy brewer" has been misinformed.

    also agree on ups and downs, particularly with gandhi. sea hag past few years has been unbelievable, tap and can for me.
     
  40. Seakyden

    Seakyden Initiate (168) Apr 25, 2010 Massachusetts

    Matt rules. Straight up.
     
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