What's the last lager you had that impressed the hell out of you?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Todd, Feb 16, 2020.

  1. Steve555

    Steve555 Disciple (360) Jun 8, 2020 Wales

    As a lover of classic German lagers then there are a good few that impress (the hell out of) me, amongst my favourites being:
    Weihestephaner Original
    Augustiner Helles
    Hofbrau Original
    Konig Pilsner
    Raderberger Pilsner
    Tucher Bajuvator
    Kneitinger Bock
    Weltenburger Kloster Barock Dunkel
    Freising Jagerbier
    Hacker Pschorr Kellerbier
    More or less all Ayinger lagers
  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,621) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania

    And it would seem that in contemporary times they have become 'Americanized' since plenty (all?) of those Mexican brewed 'Vienna Lagers' are brewed using adjuncts (e.g., corn, sugars):

    "Modelo Negra contains Water, Barley Malt, Non-malted Cereals and Hops."


    “Dos Equis Ambar has hints of caramel malt, brown sugar and subtle notes of spices & fruits. Medium body, well-balanced and pleasant lingering finish

    Ingredients: Water, Malted Barley, Maltose Syrup, Cassava and Hops”

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  3. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poo-Bah (8,241) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming

    Thank goodness Snake River brews an excellent Vienna Style Lager in Jenny Lake.
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  4. EmperorBatman

    EmperorBatman Initiate (165) Mar 16, 2018 Tennessee

    Cassava?!? Now that's an unexpected adjunct...what does it do for the beer?
  5. MNAle

    MNAle Poo-Bah (2,412) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

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  6. monkist

    monkist Meyvn (1,386) Dec 7, 2016 Hungary

    Hey I see you’re very well versed in Vienna lagers - and judging by your photo above, I guess I know the reason why...:wink:
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  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,621) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania

    I presume it is just another source of starch for obtaining sugars during mashing.

    Colonial American brewers would use local sources of starch, for example pumpkins, when brewing their beers.

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  8. EmperorBatman

    EmperorBatman Initiate (165) Mar 16, 2018 Tennessee

    Indeed, I lived in Austria during a college semester and spent last summer there as well. Safe to say, as a student I had plenty of free time to explore the local beers.
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  9. Kb024

    Kb024 Initiate (156) Jun 11, 2015 California

    Mother Earth Mexican Lager 4.5%. Drinking one now. I'm not a big fan of Lagers but this stuff is good everytime. Whenever I drink any other Lager this is what I wish it tasted like.
  10. davidward

    davidward Aspirant (203) Sep 26, 2016 Florida

    New Belgium’s Lime Lager. I was so pleasantly surprised how good it is.
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  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,621) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania

    Below is some information from Dave Carpenter’s book about Lager Beer:

    “But it was an Austrian brewer named Santiago Graf who arguably had the greatest influence on Mexican beer. In 1875…Graf imported European malt and hops,…his highly regarded Vienna lager soon took the country by storm.”

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  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,621) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania

    I am not saying that whatsoever. I simply quoted an extract from Dave Carpenter's book.

    Two things can be 'right' at the same time.

  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,621) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania

    And I support you here. History of any topic can be quite challenging; development is not always a linear process.

    Wikipedia is not my preferred source of information but for discussion purposes:

    “Graf brewed various types of light colored ambers…

    “In addition, he set up his own malting facilities in Mexico, using barley imported from the United States[7]. Graf was able to increase the acidity of his mash by increasing the percentage of dark malts in his recipes[8] thereby counteracting the high alkalinity of brewing water available in Mexico, with the alkalinity simultaneously mellowing the acidic flavors of the dark malts in the final product. The result was a popular, mellow, darker style of Vienna lager. The popularity of the Toluca y Mexico beers was such that Graf frequently had difficulty filling orders and was forced to seek outside investors to rapidly increase production[9]

    Current popular brands of Graf style Viennas include major brands such as Negra Modelo, Nocha Buena, and Dos Equis Amber.”


    So, as discussed above this entry using the verbiage of “Graf style Viennas” and “darker style Vienna lager”.

    What is consistent is the terminology of “Vienna” in describing these beers which is consistent with my understanding of the tradition for these Mexican lagers of the later 1800’s – early 1900’s.

    Perhaps one persons “Graf style Vienna Lager” is another person’s “Munich Dunkel”? Who knows.:confused:

  14. Domingo

    Domingo Poo-Bah (2,803) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado

    As stupid as this sounds, a Paulaner Original/Helles that was labeled as best by 08/20.
    That puts that bottle at just barely under a year old. Yet it's still really, really good. It's not at its peak, but it's still better than the vast majority of other lagers on the shelf.
    That's pretty impressive IMO. The downside is that it came from a variety box that was labeled 6/25/20. All the bottles in there are B.B. 08/20. That's almost cheating.
  15. 1009

    1009 Zealot (527) Jan 20, 2019 Massachusetts

    Utica Club. Exactly what a lager should be. Wish they sold it around us.
  16. HammsMeASAP

    HammsMeASAP Initiate (151) Jun 14, 2012 Minnesota

    New Glarus Kid Kolsch was pretty damn good.
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  17. Mortal_Wombat

    Mortal_Wombat Initiate (153) Jul 7, 2020 Texas

    Great Lakes Brewing Co. Oktoberfest. I tend to prefer Paulaner and Ayinger (usually, although Ayinger had some letdowns the last few years with their marzen) but Great Lakes was my favorite of the Oktoberfests last year, both domestic and imported.
  18. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Poo-Bah (1,944) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts

    Wait, as in they claimed it was packaged on 6/25/20? As in trying to indicate the bottles inside were bottled in June?
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  19. Domingo

    Domingo Poo-Bah (2,803) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado

    There's a big UPC label on the box and it had a date of arrival at the store of 6/25/20. No clue if it's the store's fault or the distributor's, but everything in that box was barely within the BB date. It's not a date from Paulaner, but rather a UPC sticker.
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  20. Jacobier10

    Jacobier10 Poo-Bah (2,559) Feb 23, 2004 New Jersey

    I had a similar experience today. Picked up a Von Trapp variety pack with 6/15/20 marked on the box. No way to tell if it was the "packaged on" or "best before" date. The beers were either going to be really fresh or just past their prime. Took a gamble and bought it anyways. Opened the box and all of the beers had a mid-Nov 2020 best before date. Jackpot!
  21. patto1ro

    patto1ro Defender (600) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands

    That was my best bet commercial equivalent. For the Grodziskie we brewed at Jopen, we had proper Grodziskie yeast. Evan Rail got some propagated at the Czech Brewer's House and drove a keg of it over to Holland.
  22. ESHBG

    ESHBG Devotee (431) Jul 30, 2011 Pennsylvania

    From my experience their date on the box is the packaged on date and then you have about a five month BB date on the beers within the package (give or take and depending on the style).
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  23. detpizzaboi

    detpizzaboi Initiate (0) Feb 10, 2019 Michigan

    HOMES x Humble Sea's Soaker collab, a foeder vienna lager brewed with vienna malt, wheat malt & huell melon (DE), fermented in oak, dry hopped with citra.
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  24. gvickery

    gvickery Defender (640) May 13, 2017 Texas

    I was shocked at how good this was. Had it on tap in Natchitoches Louisiana on the 4th of July. Very authentic Bavarian flavor. [​IMG]
  25. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,621) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania

    And if you enjoy dark lagers and are ever back in Louisiana I would recommend Great Raft Reasonably Corrupt Black Lager (just an hour north of Natchitoches in Shreveport). That beer is high quality IMO.

    Nice to know there are some high quality lagers being produced in Louisiana.

  26. HaoleBoy

    HaoleBoy Disciple (300) Mar 3, 2017 California

  27. patto1ro

    patto1ro Defender (600) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands

    Moonlight Reality Czech is such a wonderful beer. Briant Hunt is an amazing brewer.
  28. woemad

    woemad Poo-Bah (4,289) Jun 8, 2003 Washington
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    Probably the Lumberpunk Italian pilsener, a collaboration beer between local breweries Whistle Punk and Lumberbeard. As an appreciator of pilseners and European lagers, I feel like I'm living in a golden age, with so many Spokane area brewers nailing European lager styles.
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  29. jhavs

    jhavs Poo-Bah (2,053) Apr 16, 2015 New York
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    I'm not sure if impressed is the right word, but I really enjoy the new Lawson's Finest Scrag Mountain Pils with Salt & Lime. It has just the right amount of flavor over a tasty base brew. Works great for this hot/muggy weather we have been having.
  30. Sheppard

    Sheppard Poo-Bah (2,266) Mar 16, 2013 Massachusetts
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    Kölsch is not a lager.
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  31. Jacobier10

    Jacobier10 Poo-Bah (2,559) Feb 23, 2004 New Jersey

  32. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,621) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania

    While Kölsch is fermented with an ale yeast strain this beer style, as brewed in Germany, is cold conditioned (i.e., lagered) after primary fermentation is complete. In this context this beer style is a hybrid.

    I am uncertain whether every US craft brewery's version of a Kölsch is cold conditioned. Needless to say but if the brewery foregoes this step the beer is dissimilar from a lager.

    FWIW when I homebrew my Kölsch beers I choose to cold condition for 3-4 weeks.

  33. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,616) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois

    In a word (or 4--typically German compound words); Obergäriges Lagerbier, top-fermenting Lagerbier in English.

    Top-fermented; cold, long-stored for clarity and smoothness. Everybody wins. :slight_smile:
  34. Sheppard

    Sheppard Poo-Bah (2,266) Mar 16, 2013 Massachusetts
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  35. monkist

    monkist Meyvn (1,386) Dec 7, 2016 Hungary

    Actually, we also lived there for five years until 2018 and had a fair share of their local beers... The most impressive thing was (in terms of beers, of course) that I could not find a bad beer there, not even among the cheapest ones in Aldi (Hofer) or Lidl...
  36. nc41

    nc41 Poo-Bah (2,771) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I had a new lager yesterday, and it was from Burial, nice frothy head, clean and crisp, and only 3.5 ABV. You could pound that bad boy all day, perfect beach and pool beer. It was not listed as a session kinda beer either, it’s called Innertube btw.
  37. eppCOS

    eppCOS Poo-Bah (2,029) Jun 27, 2015 Colorado

    A return last night to Upslope Craft Lager, impressive. Stood out during a multi-style tasting of sours, gueuze, and IPAs, but I remember that lager. That takes some doing. Good buy, too. Cheers.
  38. monkist

    monkist Meyvn (1,386) Dec 7, 2016 Hungary

    By the way, is it only me or does this thread look livelier than many of the rest? As much as we adore all those IPAs and Stouts and Belgians and Sours, I believe all of us have a weak spot deep down inside when it comes to a good ol’ Lager...:beers:
    I think it is time again that low fermented beers get the recognition they deserve!
  39. nc41

    nc41 Poo-Bah (2,771) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    In this heat and humidity I just can’t get with heavy stinging IPAs, this is where these subtle lagers really shine, even hoppy Pils kinda turn me off a bit. I want crisp and clean, and fresh craft lagers certainly outdistance any AAL. Except SA Lager, I think it’s too sweet, and I haven’t bought any in 10 years or more. Burials lager held its head to the end of the glass, noting I dislike more is just a zero head beer, think Rolling Rock. After the pour give it a minute and there a few little bubbles at best.
  40. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,621) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania

    Dale, have you had the chance to try the new beer from Victory (Classic Lager) yet? This is indeed a great beer for the heat wave(s) we have been getting lately.

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