What's up with saying nothing in your reviews? Lame.

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  1. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poo-Bah (8,353) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    Do you mean adding notes?
     
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  2. Uniobrew31

    Uniobrew31 Devotee (483) Jan 16, 2012 Pennsylvania

    If you don't at least make some notation on the internet did you really drink the beer?:rolling_eyes:
     
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  3. KBS

    KBS Disciple (325) Apr 25, 2014 Michigan
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    Yes, sorry, wasn’t totally clear, the notes/commercial description is what I meant. Not sure why people add beer to the site leaving that blank.
     
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  4. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (3,001) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Don't tempt me, now...:sunglasses:
     
  5. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poo-Bah (8,353) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    Takes submitting an update to get that added.
     
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  6. KBS

    KBS Disciple (325) Apr 25, 2014 Michigan
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    Can’t be done when adding the beer the first time? Should be a required field when adding it initially.
     
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  7. cjgiant

    cjgiant Poo-Bah (6,110) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    Yeah, it is a little more cumbersome and even somewhat more hidden than it should be. A lot of smaller breweries (at least around me) don't have decent descriptions, either. But adding a beer and then not adding at least a short review is a bit of a pet peeve of mine. Please give us something other than just the beer exists.

    Note: BA has indicated they are hoping industry will add beers, and they probably shouldn't review their own work. I'll agree with this, but am not so sure it's taken hold too much as of this point.
     
  8. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Poo-Bah (10,025) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    A lot of times, especially with smaller or new breweries, that information isn't available to consumers. It would be nice if every brewery would add each new brew to the database before it's released to the public, but......
     
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  9. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poo-Bah (8,353) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    Yeah, part of me agrees, the other part agrees with the system in that accurate information is given.
     
  10. rgordon

    rgordon Meyvn (1,320) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina

    Also the same for places. I do not review beers except in certain threads and would never cite a place without speaking about it. Otherwise, who cares?
     
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  11. FBarber

    FBarber Poo-Bah (6,454) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    If you didn't take a picture of it and post it online did you even drink it??

    (I post frequently to WBAYDN so I'm just teasing)

    The notes have to be added by an Admin - its something Ive asked for a change on in the past but the powers that be have decided to keep it as is.
     
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  12. jamesroses

    jamesroses Initiate (0) Nov 8, 2015 Argentina

    Agree...reviews should be a must...if not...why are they here?
     
  13. KBS

    KBS Disciple (325) Apr 25, 2014 Michigan
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    That’s ridiculous. Even if submitted and it went into pending status until a mod could approve of the lingo would be helpful. It’s really annoying to see some posts about a particular beer, go to the beer itself and have literally nothing there to even describe it. I thought it was quick adds by other BA’s, this makes more sense (or less sense).
     
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  14. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poo-Bah (8,353) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    Sorry, I don't think less of a BA just because they decide not to review beers. Some of the best BAs don't but they contribute in so many other incalculable ways and I salute them for that!!
     
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  15. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Poo-Bah (10,488) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    The only caveat is if it is an area that I plan to return to and I want to remember the spots to hit again or avoid - I usually try to add the full review though that often comes much later from my notes (takes me too long to do on the phone) not when I actually visited the spot.
     
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  16. biboergosum

    biboergosum Poo-Bah (13,725) Oct 28, 2007 Canada (AB)
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    I got bored reading this thread less than halfway through, but still completed it, taking weeks off my life. Hold my beer while y'all contemplate my opinion on the matter.
     
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  17. Boverhof3

    Boverhof3 Initiate (0) Dec 25, 2006 Michigan

    And well you're at it, GET OFF MY LAWN!
     
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  18. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Poo-Bah (10,025) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Or, maybe he's the same guy who reviewed a restaurant that didn't actually exist: https://www.npr.org/sections/thesal...ampaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=2039 :wink:
     
  19. LeRose

    LeRose Poo-Bah (1,816) Nov 24, 2011 Massachusetts
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    I enjoy the written review process when I am at home and focused entirely on the beer. It adds to the enjoymen (or lack thereof) to give some thought to what sensory attributes I can find. Doubtful that I find them all, but I give it a go anyway.

    My forty-some ticks are mainly beers where I have had a taster at a brewery, but want to remember I have had the beer and the number inducates to me whether I would want to have that beer again. I have stopped doing that so much recently, though. I can remember from a tasting flight whether a brewery makes beer I like in the general sense and find that is good enough. One tick does stand out...Heady...where I did get the what else can be said feeling. But f everybody felt that way about every beer, we'd just have a pile of semi-useful numbers.

    How I use the data maybe differs a bit. I look at the number score for an overall sense. Then I try to find reviews from people who write a lot of reviews, then within that group I look for people who I have found have similar tastes to see what they thought. As an example, @cavedave and I seem to have very similar thoughts on beers we have both had, so I trust what he reports on a beer I have not tried. I will agree that process falls apart when there's no written reviews and it is a little annoyng, but it is what it is. Most of the time I am doing this backwards...I will buy a beer, then wondering what I got myself into will take a peek at the ratings and reviews.

    FWIW, I have had sensory training several times in my career. Very focused on products my company makes, but it certainly hammers on the basic tastes. So I am pretty good on sweet, sour, bitter, astringent, etc...the common things in most products. I struggle with the beer specific attributes. I get confused with hop profiles, but I can say "tastes like", and at the end of the day that is what matters. Even the trainers I have had will say that is important. If I can't describe something specifically, maybe saying what it reminds me of will trigger somebody else or help with their perception. While I have limited experience, home brewing helps because I can get my hands on the individual ingredients and learn about them first hand on my own terms.

    It took me a while to start writing, even longer to join in on the NBS discussions, but I am glad I did. I have only added a couple of beers, but did find the process a little clunky.
     
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  20. colts9016

    colts9016 Poo-Bah (2,976) Jul 2, 2007 Idaho
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    I enjoy writing reviews, for me at least it is time spent with that beer. However, a few beers are more memorable than others. I feel that the time spent writing gives me time to reflect on the quality of the beer. Another thing after writing close to 1000 reviews they progressively got better and my pallet evolved. I have thought about going back and editing some of my older ones.
     
  21. colts9016

    colts9016 Poo-Bah (2,976) Jul 2, 2007 Idaho
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    I am with you I just cannot do smoked beers. However on a whim i pick up a cold smoked wee heavy Scottish Ale Aged in Russell Reserve Barrels. I was flat blown away, it was smoky but not.
     
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  22. TheDoctor

    TheDoctor Poo-Bah (2,569) Mar 7, 2013 Canada (QC)
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    As an ESL teacher, I think that in writing that sentence you have forfeited your right to complain about any "problems" expressing yourself in English. :wink::rolling_eyes:

    Unless you're problem is that you right to good....:sunglasses:
     
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  23. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,684) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Notes to a beer in the listing? I've added notes in the past (IBU, label notes, etc.) and once they've been reviewed they go into place. If I've added the beer first I've had to wait for the beer to be slotted in place, then make the update(s).

    Under the "Suggest an Update" tools link in the right column of a beer's page, it takes you to a separate page with Change Type and a drop down menu where you can find Notes. Add the notes to the details section and remain patient.
     
  24. FBarber

    FBarber Poo-Bah (6,454) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    No, no - I know how to add notes and beer details/information to an existing beer as it stands now. What I was referring to and what I've suggested in the past is that when a person adds a beer to the site BA add a field for notes regarding the beer they are adding to the site on the add beer page. That way initial notes could be added providing more information on the beer without needing to go through the submission/approval process.
     
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  25. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,684) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    That would definitely help streamline things.
     
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  26. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Poo-Bah (5,514) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
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    What about small breweries that don't write a description for their beer? Should users make one up?

    I do agree that more descriptions should be added, which brings up the debate on whether or not breweries should be allowed to maintain their beer profile pages, which would include adding notes or a commercial description.

    I'd be all for adding the description field to the initial beer creation page. It would really help smooth things out, instead of incurring another step to add a description. Unless the mods have experienced issues with people abusing the description part before, hence the required review...?
     
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  27. JamFuel

    JamFuel Poo-Bah (8,514) Mar 26, 2009 Sweden
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    I have no problem expressing myself as such, but I sometimes feel that I keep repeating certain phrases, and that annoys me. I take pride in my command of both Swedish and English, but English is still not my first language... :slight_smile:
     
  28. KBS

    KBS Disciple (325) Apr 25, 2014 Michigan
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    It doesn't need to be a commercial description, but if the person adding doesn't know enough about it for a brief description, they shouldn't be adding it. Something as simple as "imperial stout aged in bourbon barrels with chocolate and coffee added" would be sufficient enough.
     
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  29. FBarber

    FBarber Poo-Bah (6,454) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    I don't know what the back story is if there is one, but maybe I should bring it back up in its own thread under the suggestions.

    I agree with adding notes especially in cases such as the one where the beer is listed as an imperial stout, but then its aged in barrels or has stuff added - the additional information helps. But what about a generic IPA that doesn't have a commercial description? And there is no information on hops or any other details? To me, there is nothing worthwhile to add to the notes so who cares? I think the beer should still be added.
     
  30. KBS

    KBS Disciple (325) Apr 25, 2014 Michigan
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    That would be fine for me, but I am sure others specifically do not care for some type of hops so although rated well, may be an "avoid" for them. For me personally, I would usually buy a single of any hops first, just to give it a try before buying more, especially since comparatively they are usually inexpensive to try. For a $15-$20 stout, it's nice to know if there are peppers in it, it's an automatic no go and I can turn my attention elsewhere.
     
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  31. FBarber

    FBarber Poo-Bah (6,454) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    If the information is out there, then for sure, it should get added. But I'd rather someone add nothing than possible add incorrect or wrong information.
     
  32. donspublic

    donspublic Poo-Bah (2,225) Aug 4, 2014 Texas
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    Just recently added a beer, I didn't add a description because the brewer didn't give one and the releases that went out, gave no information. I will go back when that info is posted, but I bought the 12 pack had a few, reviewed it and gifted it forward to my son in law. So sometimes a description/notes just don't exist at the time the beer is being added and reviewed.
     
  33. Burt

    Burt Crusader (760) Nov 27, 2005 Rhode Island

    Lame ticker rater here, not ashamed or proud of it. When I joined BA many moons ago I like to read the reviews because I wanted to see if I was tasting the same thing as everyone else. I can not pick out the nuances that make a good reviewer. Every now and then I will write a review because the brew was something special. Majority if the time it either tastes good or bad. Picking out different flavors normally evades me most of the time and trying to put it into words will be mundane. So I tick.
     
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  34. cavedave

    cavedave Poo-Bah (3,108) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    And yet you speak better English than most folks in America.
     
  35. JamFuel

    JamFuel Poo-Bah (8,514) Mar 26, 2009 Sweden
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    Well, I am a bit special... :sunglasses:
     
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  36. mikeinportc

    mikeinportc Poo-Bah (1,908) Nov 4, 2015 New York
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    There's only so much time/brain cells/$/calories, etc, so sometimes it's an either/or decision. :wink:

    I most often look when the local beer store posts the new stuff on social media. If it's something limited (very often), I'm trying to decide whether to go right now , or just take my chances , and wait until I'm going anyway. I usually go right by 4-5days/week (at least), but that can be too long. A lot of things only last a few hours, if that.
     
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  37. mikeinportc

    mikeinportc Poo-Bah (1,908) Nov 4, 2015 New York
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    Yep.
    But..... I added one like that :rolling_eyes: , Friday before last. It was from a growler, the brewery site's beer menu was blukked, & the guys at the beer store forgot what they were told , other than the name. I did do a review though. :slight_smile:
     
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  38. mikeinportc

    mikeinportc Poo-Bah (1,908) Nov 4, 2015 New York
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    There was something recently (what thread?) with somebody asking what was meant by those terms. I was surprised, but I guess it's a matter of experience. People use what they know. He lives in a city, in Germany, so isn't used to those smells. For me, that's an almost everyday thing. *shrug* Didn't occur that somebody wouldn't have at least some general memory of them.

    Ok, maybe this helps? :
    Floral - I think of how it smells walking through a field with a mix of flowers ,especially in the fall. (Asters & goldenrods + a few others), or a bouquet of mixed flowers, with nothing really standing out. Just a mix. If it was something specific , such as daisies, or Oriental lilies, etc. then I could say that.

    Pine : rub a bunch of pine needles(actual Pinus - not spruces, or others. Go for the long needles. ; ) ) then sniff your hands.

    Just use what you know. Don't worry about "inadequate" or "inferior". You can always go back later & edit,if you have an "Ah ha!" moment. There's no time limit on editing reviews.
     
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  39. IKR

    IKR Savant (916) May 25, 2010 California
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    The descriptive reviews in BA 1.0 were a huge asset to me when I first started perusing the site and looked for new beers to try. I don't care that my personal tastes don't align with another member, and our likes or dislikes for a particular flavor differ. If a person can convey the different flavor notes and other attributes of a beer reasonably well it is a huge help in deciding whether to pull the trigger on a beer, especially for some of the higher priced ones. A number alone just doesn't work in that regards for me. For people apprehensive about writing reviews just go for it. A larger pool of reviewers with different taste preferences only makes the overall ratings for beers better.
     
  40. plaztikjezuz

    plaztikjezuz Defender (623) Dec 19, 2004 Michigan

    Hey on the upside this thread made me rate a beer. Been 6 years.

    #Bells30thAnv
     
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