What's With Hop-Heavy Stouts

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by TheGoldsmith, Feb 20, 2013.

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  1. UCLABrewN84

    UCLABrewN84 Poo-Bah (12,199) Mar 18, 2010 California

    They are generally tasty.
  2. Sirvis

    Sirvis Initiate (189) Apr 29, 2012 Michigan

    Agreed! These have become my favorites since the beginning of the season. I will be sad when the winter brews are gone and my collection has dwindled :slight_frown:
  3. marquis

    marquis Crusader (741) Nov 20, 2005 United Kingdom (England)

    And how! Looking at your and Kristen's recipe for a recreation of 1840 Truman's Export Stout I see the computed IBUs were over 170 ! That's pretty heavy hopping indeed.
    Let's Brew Wednesday - 1840 Truman Export Stout
  4. TheGoldsmith

    TheGoldsmith Initiate (0) Jan 20, 2013 Missouri

    Well put, and I can see how the earthy or citrusy notes in hops could be paired well with chocolate notes or such, but I have yet to try one that worked out. And yes, hops no doubt have a place in stouts, as with all beers. I recently had Boulevard's Dark Truth again, and was pleasantly surprised with the hops in it, notable and providing great balance, but by no means "hop forward".

    Perhaps I was too strong with the word "offended". I like the question earlier, should hop forward stouts and porters be classified differently? I'm also curious to know how traditional hop forwardness is for stouts and porters, or is this a recent and/or American trend?

    By all means, if there's someone out there to enjoy them, keep them on the market, but for the longest time I stuck to cream and oatmeal stouts to avoid personal disappointment. How about some delineation? I like a good dry stout now and then.
  5. BlackDragon

    BlackDragon Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2013 Michigan

    Anything over 40 ibu should be classified as a new style but I know some people like hops in thier stouts but I wish there was a IPstout or something like that since sadly some brewers don't list the IBUs and I end up disappointed with something that has alot of hops when I don't expect it. The best solution would be for all breweries to post the IBUs.
  6. BB1313

    BB1313 Poo-Bah (2,513) Jul 16, 2009 Ohio

    I've always loved hops just as much as the next guy, but I've never really been a fan of hoppy stouts, besides Yeti and Night Stalker. I mean I'll drink em no problem, but I prefer traditional stouts.
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  7. GardenWaters

    GardenWaters Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2012 Illinois

    Ah, yes, Storm King! Fresh, definitely the "hoppiest" stout I know. But with a few years on it, the hops fade out and it's pure bliss.
  8. kpodolanko

    kpodolanko Initiate (0) Dec 7, 2012 Texas

    Even though it isn't a stout, Miller Lite is triple-hops brewed for flavor.
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  9. harrymel

    harrymel Initiate (0) Dec 15, 2010 Washington

    This dichotomy of sentences blew my mind.

    If I understand correctly: stouts have high IBU's.....The balance results in you noticing hops?....
  10. Thickfreakness

    Thickfreakness Initiate (0) Oct 2, 2010 New York

    Try Bluepoint Toxic Sludge or the new Mendocino Black IPA with orange peel. Both are really nicely balanced. Neither taste like grapefruit sprinkled with charcoal.
  11. fox227

    fox227 Initiate (0) Nov 19, 2010 California

    I just had a fairly fresh bottle and it was more hoppy than I remember, but so pleasantly so that I find it hard to believe that people would complain.
  12. BuckTuckian

    BuckTuckian Devotee (440) Dec 19, 2012 Kentucky
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    FFF Alpha Klaus, mmmmmm hops and chocolate
  13. SenorHops

    SenorHops Initiate (0) Aug 10, 2010 Rhode Island

    Let it age if it's too hoppy....or don't buy it. There are plenty of stouts that aren't doing the "hoppy" thing. No need to be offended. It's just another interpretation of a stout and another craft beer experimentation.
  14. Ranbot

    Ranbot Devotee (462) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania

    My tastes also prefer milder hopping in my stouts/porters, but I don't begrudge those the brewers that want to create hoppier versions. Obviously there is a market for them. My only complaint is that the apart from the newly minted "black IPA or Cascadian IPA" category it's sometimes hard to tell from a beer's name or style just how hoppy it's going to be. For example, "Russian Imperial Stout" can be anything from Storm King (very hoppy) to Old Rasputin (malty). For that reason when I buy stouts/porters I tend to fall back on the ones I know I like, instead of trying new ones.
  15. DarkDragon999

    DarkDragon999 Aspirant (271) Feb 13, 2013 Rhode Island

    I thought Old Raspy was hop-heavy when I had it.
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  16. ncaudle

    ncaudle Defender (602) May 28, 2010 Virginia
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    not a big fan of the hoppier stouts (see Storm King) but love me some big roasty black ipas or whatever you want to call it (see Stone 15)

    on another note, looove Founders IS - it just doesnt taste like it's super hoppy
  17. NoMoreBeerBelly

    NoMoreBeerBelly Aspirant (234) Dec 2, 2009 North Carolina
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    Well Founders Imperial Stout is 90 IBU and to me, it is heaven in a glass. And as one of the highest rated, widely available RIS, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
  18. baconman91

    baconman91 Initiate (0) Dec 13, 2009 Ohio

    ever try Troegs Flying Mouflan?
  19. ThisWangsChung

    ThisWangsChung Poo-Bah (2,704) Oct 15, 2011 Maryland
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    Not a stout by any means, but with even just a few months of age on it, it's so good I don't give a fuck what it's classified as. :stuck_out_tongue:
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  20. baconman91

    baconman91 Initiate (0) Dec 13, 2009 Ohio

    yeah, I know...me too - just an Allaround Hoppy, Roasty, Choc. dream..just balanced almost Perfectly. I saw this Article Heading..& its just the 1st thing that popped in my Head. - Haahaaa..quite good brew..Damn!
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  21. ThisWangsChung

    ThisWangsChung Poo-Bah (2,704) Oct 15, 2011 Maryland
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    Damnit, now you've convinced me to buy more of it! Thanks for indirectly draining my wallet out, buddy! :angry:

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  22. NickyDee21

    NickyDee21 Devotee (467) Dec 23, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    The FIS hop profile is nothing compared to what Night Stalker was. Put some FIS down for a year or so, then revisit. That beer is amazing. The hops will fade out immensely.
  23. klaybie

    klaybie Initiate (0) Nov 15, 2009 Illinois

    Brewers are capitalizing on the fact that hop forward styles are becoming increasingly popular among craft enthusiasts. That being said, I like my stouts to taste like stouts through and though; not "stout-IPA :confused: -stout-".
    Unless they tell me on the bottle that the stout they brewed will be hoppy I don't like that surprise.
  24. klaybie

    klaybie Initiate (0) Nov 15, 2009 Illinois

    Just goes to show that taste is totally subjective! I have never perceived hops in FIS. In fact, I purchased a few more four packs because I thought it was a near perfect embodiment of an imperial stout. If you have access to Alesmith try their Speedway Stout, if you haven't already. It'll hurt your wallet a bit but you'll forgive yourself upon tasting it.
  25. ShemRahBoo

    ShemRahBoo Defender (604) Jan 28, 2010 New Jersey
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    An imperial stout at 10% with 40 IBUs could be extremely sweet. IBU does not equal hop flavor or aroma and high IBUs are needed in stronger beers to balance the amount of malts used and a higher FG.
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  26. DelMontiac

    DelMontiac Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2010 Oklahoma

    I prefer my hop bombs to be in pale format and my stouts to be a sort of roasty-toasty-choco-coffee bliss. If a brewer can pull it all together into something great then I'm down, but maybe not for a second glass.
  27. pitweasel

    pitweasel Initiate (0) Jun 11, 2007 New York

    This. Some days, Storm King sounds like the perfect beer for me. Others, I'd rather go for exactly what the OP is describing. I'm thankful to have the options!
  28. WickedSluggy

    WickedSluggy Devotee (400) Nov 21, 2008 Texas
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    More BJCP guideline quotes for you...

    American Stout:
    Overall Impression: A hoppy, bitter, strongly roasted Foreign-style Stout (of the export variety).
    IBU: 35-75

    Russian Imperial Stout:
    IBU: 50-90

    IBUs, as you know, come from hops.
  29. Kerrie

    Kerrie Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2012 Michigan

    I had a hoppy Stone Smoked Porter the other day and didn't care for it too much. It wasn't bad, just nothing I'd buy again. As for the Storm King Stout, I don't recall that one being hoppy, so maybe it's been sitting on the shelf for a while? I liked that one far more. I guess I'm not a hoppy stout/porter fan.
  30. darkandhoppy

    darkandhoppy Aspirant (295) Dec 26, 2008 Connecticut

    the hoppier, the happier
  31. mweso2000

    mweso2000 Disciple (389) Apr 10, 2010 Georgia
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    Funny people are mentioning FIS as a real hoppy stout, but when I had one of these against a Sweetwater Happy Ending, I found the FIS to be more of your chocolate coffee stout and SW to be one of the hoppiest stouts I ever had. I loved the contrast though.
  32. ncaudle

    ncaudle Defender (602) May 28, 2010 Virginia
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    I think some people see high IBU #s and think it must be really hoppy, but it's all in what/how/when the hops were utilized. a large FWH addition will give you high IBU #s but without having the big bitter taste one normally associates with big hop bitterness
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  33. HipsterBrewfus

    HipsterBrewfus Initiate (0) Jun 3, 2012 Maryland

    I drink stouts to get away from hops.

    If I get a bottle of a hoppy stout, I'm throwing it on the ground.
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  34. Loganyoung

    Loganyoung Initiate (0) Jul 16, 2011 Georgia
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    I love Sweetwaters happy ending. I mean it's a dry hoped stout. How could you possibly go wrong with that?
  35. plutoniumpete

    plutoniumpete Aspirant (231) Oct 21, 2008 New Jersey
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    Hands down Mikkeller Beer Hop Breakfast blew my mind away the first time I had it. And then the second time I had it. Such a hoppy flavor from such a dark beer. Best of both worlds IMHO
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  36. mjryan

    mjryan Zealot (577) Dec 22, 2007 Minnesota

    I don't believe this to be true. Maybe RIS, but RIS doesn't even come close to defining stout beer as a whole.
  37. Gunderstorm

    Gunderstorm Initiate (0) Feb 2, 2008 Illinois
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    Night Stalker is a PERFECT example of what TheGoldsmith is talking about.
  38. Ricelikesbeer

    Ricelikesbeer Zealot (578) Nov 29, 2006 Colorado

  39. Ricelikesbeer

    Ricelikesbeer Zealot (578) Nov 29, 2006 Colorado

    I had this just the other night, and while I enjoyed it, I much prefer the regular beer geek breakfast or the few beer geek brunch versions I've had. Just thought the large amounts of finishing hops were a little goofy for the stout.
  40. Ricelikesbeer

    Ricelikesbeer Zealot (578) Nov 29, 2006 Colorado

    Yes, and this interpretation is generally not meant to mean that brewers blast their stouts with hops, but that is certainly where the trend is going.
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