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Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by TheGoldsmith, Feb 20, 2013.
They are generally tasty.
Agreed! These have become my favorites since the beginning of the season. I will be sad when the winter brews are gone and my collection has dwindled
And how! Looking at your and Kristen's recipe for a recreation of 1840 Truman's Export Stout I see the computed IBUs were over 170 ! That's pretty heavy hopping indeed.
Let's Brew Wednesday - 1840 Truman Export Stout
Well put, and I can see how the earthy or citrusy notes in hops could be paired well with chocolate notes or such, but I have yet to try one that worked out. And yes, hops no doubt have a place in stouts, as with all beers. I recently had Boulevard's Dark Truth again, and was pleasantly surprised with the hops in it, notable and providing great balance, but by no means "hop forward".
Perhaps I was too strong with the word "offended". I like the question earlier, should hop forward stouts and porters be classified differently? I'm also curious to know how traditional hop forwardness is for stouts and porters, or is this a recent and/or American trend?
By all means, if there's someone out there to enjoy them, keep them on the market, but for the longest time I stuck to cream and oatmeal stouts to avoid personal disappointment. How about some delineation? I like a good dry stout now and then.
Anything over 40 ibu should be classified as a new style but I know some people like hops in thier stouts but I wish there was a IPstout or something like that since sadly some brewers don't list the IBUs and I end up disappointed with something that has alot of hops when I don't expect it. The best solution would be for all breweries to post the IBUs.
I've always loved hops just as much as the next guy, but I've never really been a fan of hoppy stouts, besides Yeti and Night Stalker. I mean I'll drink em no problem, but I prefer traditional stouts.
Ah, yes, Storm King! Fresh, definitely the "hoppiest" stout I know. But with a few years on it, the hops fade out and it's pure bliss.
Even though it isn't a stout, Miller Lite is triple-hops brewed for flavor.
This dichotomy of sentences blew my mind.
If I understand correctly: stouts have high IBU's.....The balance results in you noticing hops?....
Try Bluepoint Toxic Sludge or the new Mendocino Black IPA with orange peel. Both are really nicely balanced. Neither taste like grapefruit sprinkled with charcoal.
I just had a fairly fresh bottle and it was more hoppy than I remember, but so pleasantly so that I find it hard to believe that people would complain.
FFF Alpha Klaus, mmmmmm hops and chocolate
Let it age if it's too hoppy....or don't buy it. There are plenty of stouts that aren't doing the "hoppy" thing. No need to be offended. It's just another interpretation of a stout and another craft beer experimentation.
My tastes also prefer milder hopping in my stouts/porters, but I don't begrudge those the brewers that want to create hoppier versions. Obviously there is a market for them. My only complaint is that the apart from the newly minted "black IPA or Cascadian IPA" category it's sometimes hard to tell from a beer's name or style just how hoppy it's going to be. For example, "Russian Imperial Stout" can be anything from Storm King (very hoppy) to Old Rasputin (malty). For that reason when I buy stouts/porters I tend to fall back on the ones I know I like, instead of trying new ones.
I thought Old Raspy was hop-heavy when I had it.
not a big fan of the hoppier stouts (see Storm King) but love me some big roasty black ipas or whatever you want to call it (see Stone 15)
on another note, looove Founders IS - it just doesnt taste like it's super hoppy
Well Founders Imperial Stout is 90 IBU and to me, it is heaven in a glass. And as one of the highest rated, widely available RIS, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
ever try Troegs Flying Mouflan?
Not a stout by any means, but with even just a few months of age on it, it's so good I don't give a fuck what it's classified as.
yeah, I know...me too - just an Allaround Hoppy, Roasty, Choc. dream..just balanced almost Perfectly. I saw this Article Heading..& its just the 1st thing that popped in my Head. - Haahaaa..quite good brew..Damn!
Damnit, now you've convinced me to buy more of it! Thanks for indirectly draining my wallet out, buddy!
The FIS hop profile is nothing compared to what Night Stalker was. Put some FIS down for a year or so, then revisit. That beer is amazing. The hops will fade out immensely.
Brewers are capitalizing on the fact that hop forward styles are becoming increasingly popular among craft enthusiasts. That being said, I like my stouts to taste like stouts through and though; not "stout-IPA -stout-".
Unless they tell me on the bottle that the stout they brewed will be hoppy I don't like that surprise.
Just goes to show that taste is totally subjective! I have never perceived hops in FIS. In fact, I purchased a few more four packs because I thought it was a near perfect embodiment of an imperial stout. If you have access to Alesmith try their Speedway Stout, if you haven't already. It'll hurt your wallet a bit but you'll forgive yourself upon tasting it.
An imperial stout at 10% with 40 IBUs could be extremely sweet. IBU does not equal hop flavor or aroma and high IBUs are needed in stronger beers to balance the amount of malts used and a higher FG.
I prefer my hop bombs to be in pale format and my stouts to be a sort of roasty-toasty-choco-coffee bliss. If a brewer can pull it all together into something great then I'm down, but maybe not for a second glass.
This. Some days, Storm King sounds like the perfect beer for me. Others, I'd rather go for exactly what the OP is describing. I'm thankful to have the options!
More BJCP guideline quotes for you...
Overall Impression: A hoppy, bitter, strongly roasted Foreign-style Stout (of the export variety).
Russian Imperial Stout:
IBUs, as you know, come from hops.
I had a hoppy Stone Smoked Porter the other day and didn't care for it too much. It wasn't bad, just nothing I'd buy again. As for the Storm King Stout, I don't recall that one being hoppy, so maybe it's been sitting on the shelf for a while? I liked that one far more. I guess I'm not a hoppy stout/porter fan.
the hoppier, the happier
Funny people are mentioning FIS as a real hoppy stout, but when I had one of these against a Sweetwater Happy Ending, I found the FIS to be more of your chocolate coffee stout and SW to be one of the hoppiest stouts I ever had. I loved the contrast though.
I think some people see high IBU #s and think it must be really hoppy, but it's all in what/how/when the hops were utilized. a large FWH addition will give you high IBU #s but without having the big bitter taste one normally associates with big hop bitterness
I drink stouts to get away from hops.
If I get a bottle of a hoppy stout, I'm throwing it on the ground.
I love Sweetwaters happy ending. I mean it's a dry hoped stout. How could you possibly go wrong with that?
Hands down Mikkeller Beer Hop Breakfast blew my mind away the first time I had it. And then the second time I had it. Such a hoppy flavor from such a dark beer. Best of both worlds IMHO
I don't believe this to be true. Maybe RIS, but RIS doesn't even come close to defining stout beer as a whole.
Night Stalker is a PERFECT example of what TheGoldsmith is talking about.
I had this just the other night, and while I enjoyed it, I much prefer the regular beer geek breakfast or the few beer geek brunch versions I've had. Just thought the large amounts of finishing hops were a little goofy for the stout.
Yes, and this interpretation is generally not meant to mean that brewers blast their stouts with hops, but that is certainly where the trend is going.