When "buy local" movement is going too far...

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by yemenmocha, Jan 1, 2013.

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  1. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Defender (637) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado
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    OK then let's say we're both right - unless you can prove to me that all of the profits made by a local brewery or a local store that are headquartered locally are all spent locally.
  2. Providence

    Providence Initiate (0) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island

    While I wager there is plenty of data that could support this claim, I do not have it. So I definitely can not prove it at this time.
  3. EdH

    EdH Initiate (0) Jul 27, 2005 Utah

    I'm not even sure why this is always such a controversial topic. We all tune out ad slogans we don't care about all the time. Why not this one? How are you "being pushed"?
  4. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Defender (637) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado
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    To your point - I do know that there are breweries [SN to be specific] that brew beers with all local or estate grown raw ingredients and there are probably more. But the bottom line is - unless the building materials for the store or brewery, the brewing equipment, the raw material ingredients, the packaging materials, you get the idea - are all made locally, money is going elsewhere. And oh yeah, how about the financing for the operation. In the case of the Mom and Pop store or the small local brewery, is the bank that lent the brewer money local or a big national bank? I know I'm being picayune, but that's the reality. "Local" isn't necessarily 100% local.
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  5. Providence

    Providence Initiate (0) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island

    Completely agree. I don't expect local to ever really be "100% local," but even striving for 50% will make a positive impact on the community.
  6. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Poo-Bah (2,459) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona

    You're completely right about this in both the larger and smaller components of any purchase - the small ingredients in some mom & pop restaurant's food, or the large dollar amount in the business loan, the owner of the building, etc. - often if not most of the time all of these are based somewhere else and hence not in any reasonable sense local. Then there's the employees who are often on a tight budget and spend their earnings at Wal-mart or similar, and the owner who buys foreign luxury automobiles, etc. Follow the money and it's just silly to sit there and think this quasi-form of economic protectionism is really doing what is intended, at least to the extent believed by the supporters. About the only thing I'm confident it does do is make the adherents feel a little better about themselves and their "local" purchase. Pat on the back... check.

    This whole buy local movement is as problematic as the anti-globalization movement with the "buy American" agenda.
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  7. Chinon01

    Chinon01 Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2007 Pennsylvania

    I support local products of all kinds (beer, wine, etc) and the main reason being for pride. Given a choice for example between a truly superior IPA from outside the region and a very solid version brewed minutes from my doorstep, for me there’s definitely a place for both. Besides the fact that the local option is probably fresher (and a “greener” product for sure) and purchasing it helps the local economy, again there’s a certain pride that I take in saying “we can do this” and well. I’m not going to deny myself a great beer just because it isn’t brewed locally either. But I will go out of my way to support local brewers.
  8. jacksback

    jacksback Initiate (0) Jul 20, 2011 Massachusetts

    While it's impressive how much you know about what's "believed" by the supporters of "buying local", I think you might find if you actually asked people (heck, or even read the posts here) that everyone knows that very few things are 100% local.

    Yet me buying a beer brewed a few miles down the street is certainly more "local" and more supporting of said "local" economy than me buying a beer from a CA brewery that's been shipped in.

    But more to the point, you have yet to explain why it's such an issue for other people to do what they want with their money. If some BAs are proud to support their "mostly local" breweries, and promote that pride, what is it to you?

    Unless you just wanted something to complain about...
  9. RandyKemka

    RandyKemka Disciple (332) Dec 13, 2011 New York
    Beer Trader

    I drink local...But I drink a hell of a lot of non-local.
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  10. BigCheese

    BigCheese Defender (689) Jul 4, 2009 Massachusetts

    I buy beer primarily based off of 2 factors quality and price. If two options are very similar in quality and price and one is produced locally and one is not, I will use locality as a "tiebreaker". With a strong craft brewing scene in mass and new england (Jacks Abby, Berkshire, Smuttynose, ect) I find that many of my best options for price and quality are local breweries. This is also why I rarely buy foreign beers.

    I'm not gonna stop buying things from Sierra Nevada, Lagunitas, Founders, ect, they offer awesome beers at fair prices.
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  11. gcamparone

    gcamparone Meyvn (1,435) Dec 6, 2011 Rhode Island
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    I'm fortunate enough to be able to drink this fresh, living 20 miles from the brewery, which is something that most people aren't fortunate enough to experience. It would be my go-to beer whether it was local :slight_smile:
  12. DrLasers

    DrLasers Initiate (160) Apr 18, 2011 California

    Would be nice to see more restaurants with some locals on tap. I usually feel more adventurous (and less thrifty) when eating out. Keep the Bud Light in bottles for those customers with un waiver-able tastes.
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  13. UCLABrewN84

    UCLABrewN84 Poo-Bah (12,229) Mar 18, 2010 California

    I am sure glad I have developed the skill of ignoring things.
  14. pixieskid

    pixieskid Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2009 Germany

    It's cause you live in AZ. With some pretty decent distribution (CA,CO, and Bells) the breweries in those states are by far superior to anything coming out of AZ...I used to live there, I know what you mean.
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  15. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Poo-Bah (2,459) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona

    Right on the money. Nearly all the best beers from California, Colorado, Pacific NW and other parts of the country are on the shelves here at reasonable prices. Many of the rare releases too - Parabola, Abacus, Abyss, Bourbon County, Hopslam, etc. It's... it's just not fair to the locals, really. :wink:
  16. Chinon01

    Chinon01 Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2007 Pennsylvania

    Aren't there some small brewpubs or anything around Phoenix?
  17. Flashy

    Flashy Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2003 Vermont

    High Point: http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/607

    That is your mission in 2013, to seek them out Mr. Porkhustle.
  18. Porkhustle

    Porkhustle Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2012

    Cool, thanks. I'll be in South Orange in the coming week so I'll be looking at for these brands you guys mention. I'm particularly intrigued by Cricket Hill, because I really appreciate great beers at lower ABV points - and I now learned they are available in NY on draft/growler. Ramstein is actually one NJ brewery I have some experience with, well just a bit, as I put back a few growlers of their Maibock last spring. Will definitely keep my eyes peeled, as I love German styles. Thanks again
  19. Flashy

    Flashy Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2003 Vermont

    Visit High Point, it's just a half an hour from the Lincoln Tunnel. They have a great tour by great people. Also the Ship Inn in Milford, NJ is a great place. Cricket Hill can be pretty meh- but a great place to visit.
  20. Porkhustle

    Porkhustle Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2012

    Ha! Thanks for the tip on CH, I was intrigued by their website and brews. Do you dislike because you're into big beers, or because you don't think they are good brewers?
  21. Flashy

    Flashy Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2003 Vermont

  22. pixieskid

    pixieskid Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2009 Germany

    There's brewpubs and production breweries in AZ but none of them are beyond decent/good imo.
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  23. geocool

    geocool Initiate (175) Jun 21, 2006 Massachusetts

    And here we are again with people assuming that their opinion is in the majority. I've got great local beers available to me. What makes you so sure I'm in the minority?
  24. Doppelbockulus

    Doppelbockulus Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2012 Florida

    I picked up one of these in Philadelphia and brought it back down to Florida. Haven't tried it but I have been looking forward to it. We have a few good local breweries here in central Florida, and it's still hard to get some of their stuff, i.e. Cigar City limited releases.
  25. nerdrocker101

    nerdrocker101 Initiate (0) Feb 18, 2009 Georgia
    Beer Trader

    I think drinking local is great. Nobody says you have to like everything local. Hell, nobody says you have to like any of the locals. Hopefully someone local to you is making good beer that you enjoy. If not, then hopefully something is distributed to your state that you do like. I think it's just about having beer you like available one way or another
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