Which craft breweries need to shrink?

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  1. dennis3951

    dennis3951 Crusader (754) Mar 6, 2008 New Jersey
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    Magic hat is craft. A lot of posters seem to have a problem with that but it is craft.
  2. RobertColianni

    RobertColianni Defender (624) Nov 4, 2008 Pennsylvania

    The only difference is when I screw up a recipe at home (and I don't buy kits), I don't try to sell it to the public with some new hipster name. DFH does.
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  3. Providence

    Providence Initiate (0) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island

    Experimentation is what makes the industry what it is. Just think someone, "experimented" with hops once too. No need to hate on pushing the envelope.
  4. TheMonkfish

    TheMonkfish Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2012 Chad

    Oh snap. I thought WB was only taking up an inordinate amount of shelf space here in their home state. I've tried so many of their offerings - I really, really want to like them. Where's the "sad incredible Hulk walking away piano music?"
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  5. mountsnow1010

    mountsnow1010 Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2009 Vermont

    But beard yeast?
  6. fmccormi

    fmccormi Meyvn (1,287) Oct 24, 2010 California
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    When did they do this? I only remember them dumping batches of 120, much to the general public's chagrin, because it wasn't up to their standards.

    And watch where you throw around the "H" word. Them's fightin' words.
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  7. fastenoughforphish

    fastenoughforphish Aspirant (218) Nov 14, 2012 Illinois
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    Haha exactly. Or the "this brewery is way overrated' thread. If you have a problem with a brewery a) don't drink there beer or b) check out some reviews of your peers before you pay a bunch of money for their beer and judge on that.

    Also shrinking a brewery that has over priced beer... isn't going to help lol.
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  8. UCLABrewN84

    UCLABrewN84 Poo-Bah (12,188) Mar 18, 2010 California

    I haven't seen Indian Wells in a Whole Foods in a long time.
  9. JuicesFlowing

    JuicesFlowing Poo-Bah (1,981) Jul 5, 2009 Kansas

    And adjust their pricing.
  10. draimegould

    draimegould Initiate (56) Feb 12, 2011 Missouri
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    The obvious is GOOSE ISLAND.... may have already been said, but to lazy to look. The Bourbon County Stout of 2012 is garbage compared to the 2011, after of course the acquisition by AB.
  11. jesskidden

    jesskidden Meyvn (1,267) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey

    Not according to Brewers Association's definition - it's now owned by NAB, an "...alcoholic beverage industry member who is not themselves a craft brewer" (see footnote for NAB on the B.A. Top 50 Overall Breweries - 2011 "(d) includes Dundee, Genesee, Labatt Lime, Magic Hat and Pyramid brands;")

    In fact, with the recent sale of NAB to Cerveceria Costa Rica SA, they're no longer even US-owned.
  12. dennis3951

    dennis3951 Crusader (754) Mar 6, 2008 New Jersey
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    I forgot about the ownnership rules, just thinking of the all malt flagship.
  13. dcbdc1

    dcbdc1 Initiate (0) Jun 23, 2012 Virginia

    Haven't you seen Caligione's post here on BA from a couple of years ago? It's now "hip" to trash some of the original craft brewers (e.g., DFH) simply because they've become more available and regular people (and not simply BA trolls) have begun to enjoy them.

    If you don't like DFH's experimental beers, don't buy them. I fail to see the worth (other than to satiate one's own desire to seem "hip" in the beer) to trash the entire brewery.
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  14. craigo19

    craigo19 Disciple (329) Oct 12, 2009 Michigan
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    +1 to Magic Hat! Their beer sucks and does nothing for me!
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  15. 5thOhio

    5thOhio Zealot (500) May 13, 2007 South Carolina

    I would suggest that brewing styles neglected by the big beer companies for consumers who prefer those styles is what made the craft industry what it is.

    I don't hate breweries that make those goofy concoctions, but I've never bought one and don't intend to. I'm kind of a Reinheitsgebot guy when it comes to beer.

    I wonder what percentage of sales for craft companies comes from those weird beer concoctions versus the standard styles? Or is it just marketing to get people's attention?
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  16. TNGabe

    TNGabe Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2012 Tennessee

    Realy, you think these guys have been drinking beer that long?
  17. jesskidden

    jesskidden Meyvn (1,267) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey

    Unfortunately, the flavored/spiced/fruit beers are pretty big - since many are "cross-over" type beers (MH #9, pumpkin ales, etc) that often appeal to macro drinkers looking for "something different".

    The SIG numbers (off-premise, conv./grocery/drug) have "Seasonal" as the largest craft beer segment- so that generalized category includes many non-traditional type beers- spiced winter beers, pumpkin, lemon/lime/fruit/herb spring & summer beer, etc. They add up to 20% of all craft beer sales.

    The best selling craft "beer" according to SIG is "Sam Adams Seasonal" (most/all are spiced/flavored, IIRC, save their Oktoberfest) - which taken together account for 7% of all craft beer sales. Of the actual brands in the Top 20 craft beers (not counting the "seasonal" or "variety packs") only Magic Hat #9 and SA Cherry Wheat are of the flavored variety.
  18. MN_Beerticker

    MN_Beerticker Initiate (0) Jul 10, 2012 Minnesota

    If a brewery makes crappy beers that nobody drinks then chances are they will shrink or close. Say it with your $. Obviously somebody is buying Maple Bacon beer.
  19. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    Do you have an example of a beer they put out that they knew was bad but still did anyway? Or are you just referencing some beer they make that you don't like the taste of and assume it must not be what they intended?

    DFH makes some beers I straight up hate, but I will try whatever they put out because I like tasting flavors in beer I've never tasted before. Some may not be my cup if tea, but some turn out to be different, delicious and interesting.
  20. fmccormi

    fmccormi Meyvn (1,287) Oct 24, 2010 California
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    Ditto. I'm a pro-experimentation guy. You never know what you're going to love. And c'mon, beer in general and stouts and hoppy beers in particular are just as an acquired taste, for most people, as coffee, tobacco, etc. Maybe they'll make something that you'll find yourself oddly drawn to later on.
  21. fmccormi

    fmccormi Meyvn (1,287) Oct 24, 2010 California
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    Sounds good. To be fair though, at no point was I trashing DFH. I have no problem with their experimentation (in fact, I commend them for it—it's not like they subbed out 60 minute this year with nothing but Ta Henket), and honestly I thought Sam had a good point. Seems like a lot of folks do shit on DFH somewhat unnecessarily.
  22. victory4me

    victory4me Zealot (547) Oct 16, 2004 Pennsylvania

    I'll never understand why it makes people so angry that other people like beers that they don't.
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  23. lurpy1

    lurpy1 Zealot (564) Jan 15, 2010 Minnesota
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    Rogue doesn't need to shrink, it needs to simplify. They make so many effin beers it's impossible to do all of them, or even most of them well. If I go into a good MN liquor store I can find 4-6 Founders beers, 4-6 Surly beers, and 15 Rogues. Focus! They should worry more about improving the Dead Guy line and less about being the first to market with bacon cheeseburger beer.
  24. bleakies

    bleakies Disciple (377) Apr 11, 2011 Massachusetts

    Hip can't mean "popular" or "trendy" because it's far more exclusive than populist in its assumption of rare/specialized/largely unknown knowledge. Sam Adams is popular. Hill Farmstead is hip. Dig?

    But never mind the bollocks, here's the OP: I'd like to see Founders shrink sufficiently so I could keep it in my basement. That would facilitate my picking up their seasonals and limited releases quite nicely.
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  25. fujindemon74

    fujindemon74 Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2012 Pennsylvania

    More for me...
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  26. bctdi

    bctdi Initiate (144) Dec 8, 2008 Georgia

    I really don't want to see any craft breweries shrink, but if you nailed me down for an answer, I'd say Sam Adams. Almost all of their beers are good, some are great, but if they scaled back on the massive variety they make, and concentrated on maybe 5 or 6 stellar beers, I would buy more of it. Realisticly though , it would probably be financial suicide for them.
  27. sil1

    sil1 Aspirant (227) May 19, 2012 California
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    Dogfish head
    Bear republic.

    Quality really suffering
  28. stickboy1125

    stickboy1125 Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2012 Virginia

    I don't think BR should necessarily shrink but they need to send less beer to my market (probably others also), it's extremely rare that I get something from them that is fresh, most of the stuff is 3-4 months old, 2 if I'm lucky. If they sent less to my market it would sell faster and hopefully be replaced with fresher beers. Our area just recently got Racer X last week, it had a bottling date from early October iirc.
  29. sil1

    sil1 Aspirant (227) May 19, 2012 California
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    Good point
  30. sil1

    sil1 Aspirant (227) May 19, 2012 California
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    Not 100 on this but I think, stone distributes for bear republic.. Also Russian river, if u live in SoCal u know how unpredictable getting routine Russian river can be.
  31. aasher

    aasher Poo-Bah (2,549) Jan 27, 2010 Indiana
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    Three Floyds
  32. FEUO

    FEUO Disciple (327) Jul 24, 2012 Ontario (Canada)

    Or any brewery that distributes. Pickup only, pppppppppppppplease!
  33. Gannon81

    Gannon81 Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2012 Oregon

    Nailed it brother.
  34. fujindemon74

    fujindemon74 Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Oh nooz!

    Either be thankful you have the opportunity to buy it (like me 2 weeks ago here is SE PA) & stop worrying about how fresh it is or leave it on the shelf and buy another DIPA not quite as good but fresher.

    Not trying to flame myself on purpose here...but Bear Republic is in CA and you're about 3000 miles away.
  35. BedetheVenerable

    BedetheVenerable Meyvn (1,023) Sep 5, 2008 Missouri

    I WISH we could get DFH in either MO (where I live now) or IL (where I used to live). In IL, the greedy buggers up in Chicago (distributors, I assume) now keep all the DFH allocation to the state in Chicagoland; we used to be able to get all their brews off the shelf throughout the state...no more. How can you hate on Dogfish? True, they do some whacky shit, but they are constantly pushing the envelope. Some hit. Some miss. Bad. But they have a solid lineup of 'regular'/seasonal brews as well.
  36. davey101

    davey101 Meyvn (1,080) Apr 14, 2009 Connecticut
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    No. Hes just incredibly dry all the time.
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  37. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Defender (611) May 29, 2011 Florida
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  38. stickboy1125

    stickboy1125 Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2012 Virginia

    I guess you completely missed the point of my post. Thanks for the info but I'm well aware of where CA is.
  39. fujindemon74

    fujindemon74 Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Must have missed the IIRC you typed.

    It was one of those days where I felt everyone on BA was bitching about one thing or another.
    My bad.
  40. bdub32689

    bdub32689 Initiate (0) May 19, 2011 Massachusetts
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    I would have to disagree that it has gone to their heads by the fact they have pulled out of several states. They have slowly expanded within their means. I would say that their year round and seasonal lineup is getting rather large and its seems that many of these experimental limited release beers are being added to the regular line up.

    So I would agree they need to shrink or refocus in terms of their yearly lineup but not actual production
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